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Social Security Survivor Benefit question

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This question is assuming the survivng spouse is at full retirement age and their own benefit is less than the spouse. Is the surviving spousal benefit based on the benefit amount the other spouse was receiving at the time of passing? For example, if the spouse that passed did not take social security until age 70 (to get the highest benefit), does the surviving spouse recieve that amount or the amount that would have been at full retirement age?
 
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In that case, the surviving spouse gets the amount the spouse who died was getting, or, if s/he had not yet applied, would get if the application was made at the date of death.
 

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I usually avoid participating in these Social Security threads because it is so darn complicated and everyone's situation is different. But I'll give you a place to start reading and just a few comments.


You are talking about full retirement age (FRA). But it's not nearly so simple as that. Your FRA is not the same thing as your Survivor FRA. Survivor FRA uses a different birth table than FRA. It is very possible that your Survivor FRA will be different than your FRA.

You will find the Survivor FRA table at https://www.ssa.gov/planners/survivors/survivorchartred.html

Without getting into the specifics of your situation, here is the advice I have left for my wife (or, at least, this is how I understand things, but remember that I am a mere mortal and it is possible that I have misinterpreted the rules despite my very best efforts). I am currently 65 and she is 64. Her Survivor FRA (based on her birthday) is 66. I am the higher earner and I have not yet taken my Social Security benefit since I am hoping to wait until it maximizes at 70.
  1. If I die before 70 (which means I have likely not yet started my own benefit), she should take her own benefit until she reaches her Survivor FRA because that will allow the survivor benefit to grow. (Taking the survivor benefit prior to Survivor FRA will reduce it.) Once she is at or beyond her Survivor FRA, she should then switch to my benefit if it higher than her benefit (which is likely) because the survivor benefit does not grow once the survivor is past their own Survivor FRA. If she switches to my benefit, she should receive the amount I would have received as of the date of my death.
  2. If I die after 70, she should immediately switch to my benefit if it is greater than her own.
Also, I suggest you look at https://www.ssa.gov/planners/survivors/ifyou.html. Notice this very important paragraph: We should be notified as soon as possible when a person dies. However, you cannot report a death or apply for survivors benefits online. In most cases, the funeral home will report the person’s death to us. You should give the funeral home the deceased person’s Social Security number if you want them to make the report.

So this means that if I were to die, my wife will likely need to go in to our local Social Security office. And I think if she does that, she will be able to request the actual dollar figures so that she can compare the amount of her benefit to mine.
 
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I wright this as a caution. I retired from the SSA long ago. I worked as supervisor in field offices & as a program analyst in Regional Office. As supervisor I was often attending to someone asking to speak to supervisor. I worked in RO as contact for Congressional inquiries & prepared responses for the Regional Commissioner to the Congressman or Senator. Many of my responses were apologies for the misinformation received by the individuals.

My advice is to get the info in writing from at least 2 different individuals. If the info is incorrect, your benefit will be paid based on law & regulations.
 

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My question isn't about survivors benefits, it more along the lines when should I draw on my husband's benefits?.
He's been drawing his since he was 62(now 72), I'm 59.
I want to wait until I'm 65. He said I could draw on his at 62 and get half of his. I dont think so. Would anyone know.
 

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My question isn't about survivors benefits, it more along the lines when should I draw on my husband's benefits?.
He's been drawing his since he was 62(now 72), I'm 59.
I want to wait until I'm 65. He said I could draw on his at 62 and get half of his. I dont think so. Would anyone know.
Maybe this article will help. At 62 you could get either 1/2 of his, or all of yours, but not both. Which one you take will depend on which amount is higher.

https://www.wiserwomen.org/resources/social-security-resources/social-security-spousal-benefits/
 

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At age 62, your spouse benefit is based on 1/2 of Wage earners PIA then it is reduced for receiving benefit prior to full retirement age. Back in my day, full retirement age was 65. Now it is older.
Yes, that is all stated in the article I posted.
 

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Need to also say that any time one receives benefit at age 62, it is always reduced
 

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My question isn't about survivors benefits, it more along the lines when should I draw on my husband's benefits?.
He's been drawing his since he was 62(now 72), I'm 59.
I want to wait until I'm 65. He said I could draw on his at 62 and get half of his. I dont think so. Would anyone know.

You had to be born before 1/2/1954 to get restricted spousal benefit before claiming your own benefits, and you have to reach FRA. This benefit was eliminated for those born after 1953 in a 2015 change.

I just made it under the wire, I filed last December. My wife started at 62 and I had to wait until I was 66 to claim 1/2 of hers. At 70 I will take my own.





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SmithOp.
I was born in 1961(59), my husband 1947(72).

Correct, you are not eligible for the benefit your husband was referring to. Taking 1/2 of his and letting yours keep growing up to age 70.

You only have the “deemed filing” option, to take the larger of your own or a portion of his at the age you choose after 62, whichever is larger. Once you choose, no further changes to your benefit other than annual COLA.


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