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Royal Sunset and Royal Fisherman - FRAUD

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Anyone out there have problems with The Royal Sunset Fisherman and The Royal Sunset Lagoon and Hector Tornell?
We were duped into signing a contract after 2-3 hours at the Fisherman. We got home and cancelled our contract via FedEx on the last day of the 5 business day cancellation period as stated in their contract. Mr. Tornell (from their legal department) refuses to accept our cancellation and refund our deposit of $3175. He threatened to send us to collections and sue us. He said that he would keep appealling it over and over to keep us from getting our money back. I told him that he was not honoring their own contract and that he was a poor business man for that. He said he was just protecting his company and that $12,000 was a lot of money. $12,000 was the total of the timeshare. These people are liars! Do not buy. It is not an investment (like we thought). Any help anyone can offer?

Thanks,
Tennessee:bawl:
 

Karen G

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So sorry to hear about your problem. Go to this thread on the Mexico forum and scroll down to post #10. There are several links to other sites that may be of help to you. Hope this will help.

Also, if your deposit was made by a credit card, notify your credit card company and dispute the charge.
 

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Go ASAP to the Mexico board and do a search for Sunset Group. Alot of information on page two of the board. Mexico scams-Info on sunset group.
Do not delay. With the correct information it may not be to late for you to get your money back also check out the www.squeakywheel.com.
Good Luck
 

Patri

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If worst comes to worst, you are only out that $3175. Keep proof that you rescinded within the legal timeframe, and if this goes against your credit history, you could probably clear it up. Definitely challenge it on your credit card account. The law is on your side since you did act quickly enough. Keep records of all your correspondence with the company. Good luck.
 

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Start a dispute with Profeco and they cannot send a collection agency after you or damage your credit rating! You don't have to make any more payments either, in this case. Our friends went through this and they told me that.

Please, read http://www.mexicantimesharefraud.com/ as she has all the information there. Get started if you feel that you have been defrauded.

Also, read the post that Karen gave your earlier here.

PS. I have no idea where your timeshare is and even if it is in Mexico or not? I googled and found this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Royal+Sunset+Lagoon+and+Hector+Tornell
 
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Hildred

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The same thing happened to me in April. I was told that because of the good deal Sunset was offering me, I had to sign a statement waiving my right to cancel the contract. After I returned home I learned through PROFECO that the statement was illegal and that I had every right to cancel the contract. On the 5th day, I sent an e-mail to Sunset advising them that I was cancelling. I followed up the next day by fax and letters. I posted complaints on The Squeaky Wheel and the RipOff.com web-sites. My credit card company has placed the charge in dispute. I filed a formal complaint with PROFECO and the Florida Attorney General's Office. The U.S. Embassy in Mexico is assisting and will act as liasion with PROFECO and Sunset. THe woman handling the Sunset complaints at the embassy is:
Ms. Laura E. Zepeda
Consular Specialist
American Embassy-Mexico
Citizens' Consular Services
Reforma Ave 305
Col Cuauhtemoc
Mexico, D.F., Mexico CP 06500
Her e-mail address is: ZepedaLX@state.gov

The U.S. mailing address is: Attn Mary R. Avery, Deputy Chief, American Embassy-Mexico, Consular Citizens Services, P.O. Box 9000, Laredo, Texas 78520-9000.

Another Sunset victim, has set up a good Blog Site:
http://sunsetlagoontimesharerippoff...6/04/sunset-lagoon-time-share-ripoff-and.html

After you post a complaint on The Squeaky Wheel and/or RipOff please ask her to link the complaint to her Blog.
 
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About 4 years ago my husband and I purchased a time share with the Sunset Group at Fisherman's. We paid $5,000 for a 2 bedroom with lock off capability. We were told we owned the deed and were shown the deed, but were told they needed to keep it to have it recorded. In the confusion they NEVER gave us a copy. We were also supposedly given several bonus free weeks. They told us it was a resale and that was why the deal was so good.

When we got back to the US with our paperwork (minus our deed after the bait and switch) we called to arrange the rent out of our bonus weeks and lockoff. The company told us we did not have any property at all, did not have any ownership of any kind, and could only pay slightly discounted price to rent the condo for ourselves. We had no rights to rental capability, and again we owned nothing but a discount.

We threw everything away and chalked it up to being suckers and were completely scammed.

This week we got a bill for dues from VIP Travel. We threw that away too.

Tonight I got a call from Emillio of VIP Travel who told us he knew we were scammed, said he had our contract # and gave it to me and said he wanted to give us the ability to recover use of the weeks we purchased. He said there were other unhappy clients from Sunset and I am to call Jose (no last name) at 1-800-961-5685 x 119 or 1-999-760-9440 x 119. Supposedly Jose will "help you be able to use the time you purchased" because Sunset Resorts wants to correct some "bad experiences" and restore their good name since they are now in the process of trying to sell shares at Tres Rios. Does anyone know anything about this? We are concerned it is another scam to lead us into sending them more money adding insult to injury. I fear they will tell us it is a fee to use our week and then not really be booked when we get there, have hidden fees when we get there. How would we even begin to check this out and make sure anything they offer us is legitimate? Sherry
 
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About 4 years ago my husband and I purchased a time share with the Sunset Group at Fisherman's. We paid $5,000 for a 2 bedroom with lock off capability. We were told we owned the deed and were shown the deed, but were told they needed to keep it to have it recorded. In the confusion they NEVER gave us a copy. We were also supposedly given several bonus free weeks. They told us it was a resale and that was why the deal was so good.

When we got back to the US with our paperwork (minus our deed after the bait and switch) we called to arrange the rent out of our bonus weeks and lockoff. The company told us we did not have any property at all, did not have any ownership of any kind, and could only pay slightly discounted price to rent the condo for ourselves. We had no rights to rental capability, and again we owned nothing but a discount.

We threw everything away and chalked it up to being suckers and were completely scammed.

This week we got a bill for dues from VIP Travel. We threw that away too.

Tonight I got a call from Emillio of VIP Travel who told us he knew we were scammed, said he had our contract # and gave it to me and said he wanted to give us the ability to recover use of the weeks we purchased. He said there were other unhappy clients from Sunset and I am to call Jose (no last name) at 1-800-961-5685 x 119 or 1-999-760-9440 x 119. Supposedly Jose will "help you be able to use the time you purchased" because Sunset Resorts wants to correct some "bad experiences" and restore their good name since they are now in the process of trying to sell shares at Tres Rios. Does anyone know anything about this? We are concerned it is another scam to lead us into sending them more money adding insult to injury. I fear they will tell us it is a fee to use our week and then not really be booked when we get there, have hidden fees when we get there. How would we even begin to check this out and make sure anything they offer us is legitimate? Sherry

Of course it is another scam, but do you want this timeshare at all? If I were you I wouldn't even think about having anything to do with them any more
 

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Sherry,

Please don't allow yourself to get scammed again. That $5000 should have paid for all the education you need to spot a scam.
 

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My Experience With Sunset Lagoon

Back in January of 2008 my Wife and I used some of our RCI points to go on a (Much Needed) romantic getaway. We stayed at the Sunset Lagoon; which was decent. We decided to sit in on one of their 60 minute sales presentations (because they were throwing in some good freebies).

Three hours into our 60 minute sales pitch we were no longer at the Sunset Lagoon, but now at the Royal Sunset. The sales office was an open bar, guys filling your glass with whatever you wanted. We were at the table with our salesperson Victor Big, and the sales manager Jonathan Stoker. Being that my Wife and I were already pretty familiar with how timeshares work, and how to make them work financially their usual sales techniques were not working on us.

Finally the salesperson said "look, we have one unit that is a foreclosure. The owner could not pay the fees, so we cancelled his contract. We can sell you this unit for 1/3 the cost"

We were running the numbers and it still was not making financial sense. We said no. Then he stepped it up another notch. The sales manager said:

"The government has been coming down on us lately, they are saying that our kiosks at the airports and in popular locations are annoying the tourists. They are making us close all kiosks in six months. The government is also changing the rules as to how we can give away free vacations at our resorts. The way that we found around this is to purchase back weeks from our owners. We then give THOSE weeks to perspective buyers. We are calling these "Marketing Weeks". Two of your weeks will qualify as marketing weeks each year. We will purchase each of these weeks for $1500 each. If you decide to sell both, that amounts to $3000 a year."

Obviously the wife and I thought that sounded great. We were told that since we were already in 2008, we would have to wait for 2009 to sell our first weeks. Months later in December we contacted the resort to get the ball rolling on selling our two weeks in 2009 as Marketing Weeks. The resort responds stating:

"Good afternoon.. I hope that you are having an excellent day. Regarding your concerns, allow me to inform you that Sunset Group does not rent units or weeks form our customers. You can promote them by yourself between family and friends, you just have to inform our Reservations Department that someone else is going to be using your unit. "

Being extremely frustrated, we steamed for a while before I contacted them again. I thought there may be a language barrier. I thought that if I didn't say "sell back" but instead used their terminology "Marketing Weeks" it might be more clear. The resort responded again:

"Good afternoon. I hope that you are having an excellent day. Regarding your concerns, allow me to inform you as back in December, that Sunset Group does not rent units or weeks form our members, you can promote this weeks by yourself between family and friends, you just have to inform our Reservations Department that someone else is going to be using your unit. If you need further information, please don´t hesitate to contact me."

If they have a form letter for it, they must get the question all the time. Now what? They were smart in making us wait for months before knowing that we were scammed. We definitely did not come to this realization during the cooling off period, even though they had us sign a form rescinding our right to a cooling off period.

These people are such crooks. It is really so sad. When you are at each resort you see so many happy people on honeymoons and family vacations. It makes me sick to think of all of those nice people being scammed by these thugs. Can't anything be done?

To anyone who is reading this who may still be in there rescission period, pull the trigger on getting your money back ASAP.
 
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