Ready to buy resale...need advice

[Adajano]

hello,
Sorry for this newbie question but found this forum through Facebook. A ton of great info but don’t have time to read all the threads. Looking for advice.

1: best place to find hgvc resale
2: I understand vegas properties may be best options because if MF dues. If so any recommendations.
3: would use to stay at Hilton Hawaiian village. So how many points should I look at. Would need a 1bedroom villa when we go 2 adults 3 kids
4: please explain weeks, off year even year . We like to vacation every year

Thanks in advance.

 

[GT75]

1: best place to find hgvc resale

I would use one the of the brokers most recommended for HGVC:

www.judikoz.com
www.sellingtimeshares.net
www.timesharebrokersales.com

I understand vegas properties may be best options because if MF dues. If so any recommendations.

I would recommend looking at the information in this spreadsheet.
I would also recommend reading this thread.

I would also recommend purchasing only platinum season.

would use to stay at Hilton Hawaiian village. So how many points should I look at. Would need a 1bedroom villa when we go 2 adults 3 kids

For 5 people, you will probably need a 2-Bd (most 1-Bd only allow 4 people). Either way, I would still recommend purchasing at least 7000 points, to begin with. For HHV, the lowest point property is Lagoon Tower. This property is also in the most demand and books the quickest usually right when the club window opens at the 9-month mark.

Here is the point chart for LT. I did check, all 1-Bd at LT only allow 4 people in that unit.

 

[GT75]

please explain weeks, off year even year .

This is every other year deed (either even year or old year). You want an annual (every year) deed.

 

[jmann]

You might try going to a sales presentation where many questions can be answered. Otherwise take time to do your research. You’ll get more out of your timeshare purchase the more you know about it and it can be pretty confusing. We made an effort to go to owners updates just to try educate ourselves. Good luck.

 

[GT75]

You might try going to a sales presentation where many questions can be answered.

I wouldn't recommend that. You will mostly be getting a sales presentation (that is the business the person is in. He/she might really not know that much about the program) with very little good honest information about the program.

 

[dayooper]

Well, I think a couple of questions are in order.

1. How much are you willing to spend without taking a loan?

2. How much are you willing to spend on MF’s?

3. While at HHV, do you want an ocean view or is a city view acceptable?

I ask these because if having a view of the ocean is important and you are going every year, you may want to spend more to get a higher point unit. If costs are more important (I have a family of 5 too, so I understand) then a 7000 point platinum unit will suffice. I’m not sure (I’ve never booked LT) if the regular 2 bedroom platinum is relatively easy to book when the 9 month club reservation season starts. Someone who regular books LT might have more insight than me. If it is harder to book than the higher point rooms, you may consider a higher point unit as well.

 

[dayooper]

You might try going to a sales presentation where many questions can be answered. Otherwise take time to do your research. You’ll get more out of your timeshare purchase the more you know about it and it can be pretty confusing. We made an effort to go to owners updates just to try educate ourselves. Good luck.

I wouldn't recommend that. You will mostly be getting a sales presentation (that is the business the person is in. He/she might really not know that much about the program) with very little good honest information about the program.

I agree with this. There are many forum members here, including @GT75 that are more knowledgeable about the ins and outs of the system than the salesmen are (as far as I know, @GT75 won’t try to sell you some outrageously priced timeshare that would have so few points that you couldn’t use so you would return to upgrade your membership to a higher points costing more and more money). I know I’m in the minority, but I would suggest staying away from salesman completely. Others here love going to get the gifts, but they are just not worth it to me.

 

[brp]

You might try going to a sales presentation where many questions can be answered.

I wouldn't recommend that.

Answers: HGVC timeshare salesweasel
Correct answers: Here

As mentioned, there is much available on this site for research as many of these topics have been addressed extensively. One thing we all agree on: Educating yourself on timeshares and HGVC here will prove invaluable (and valuable ) in your eventual purchase.

Cheers.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

If you are interested in Hawaii, another broker is Syed Sarmad www.advantagevacations.com Hawaii owners know him well so he has access to inventory that may not be listed yet.

 

[alwysonvac]

As stated above, the Lagoon Tower at HHV is very popular.

It’s the oldest timeshare tower but it’s closest to the ocean and has the lowest (original) point requirements compared to the Grand Islander and Grand Waikikian Towers. It tends to book up first during peak travel periods. Most families will want to travel when the kids are out of school (winter/spring/summer breaks and holidays). There will be more demand than supply during those time periods.

If you’re thinking about going to the HHV every summer, you might want to consider buying there.

You basically have two choices.

1. Buy Hilton Hawaiian Village for the home week advantage. However home week reservations must be booked 12 months to 9 months before check-in. Owners can only reserve the exact unit size, unit view, for the full week with a Saturday checkin. There is no flexibility (in terms of checkin day, number of nights and unit size/type) but you’ll only have to compete with HHV owners that plan to book their home week.
2. Get up at midnight and book during the Club reservation window reserving whatever is available at HHV. During peak travel season, leftovers weeks may not be available in all unit sizes and views. You may have to change rooms if there isn't a single room available for the entire length of stay. When the Club Reservation Window begins at the 9 month mark, all owners have an equal chance to book most resorts, in any size unit, in any view for any length of time (3 night minimum) therefore whoever books the quickest gets whatever is available.

I honestly haven’t been watching summer availability since the newest tower has been built (Grand Islander). Sometimes we see a dip in demand when a new Oahu location is added because some folks want to try out the newest option.

Here’s a good thread about the various Lagoon Tower views - https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/lagoon-tower-ocean-front.226980/

Earlier this year, I added a 2nd week at the Lagoon Tower (2 Bedroom Plus EOYE Platinum season for $7k). I recommend Diane Nadeau (diane@timesharebrokersales.com) and Old Republic Title & Escrow of Hawaii. Diane was able to find the price I was looking for.

Here’s my closing statement. In addition to the purchase price, I paid an additional $1345.36 in closing cost & fees.

Good Luck

 

[SteelerGal]

If you want to travel to Hawaii annually, buy Hawaii. I am in the Camp “buy where you want to go often”. We own The Bay Club 2bd Villa EOY. Our intention is to go EOY. We are a family of 7 so I don’t want to trade in for a Villa when we want to go.

You received great advice from Tuggers.

GL

 

[dayooper]

As stated above, the Lagoon Tower at HHV is very popular.

It’s the oldest timeshare tower but it’s closest to the ocean and has the lowest (original) point requirements compared to the Grand Islander and Grand Waikikian Towers. It tends to book up first during peak travel periods. Most families will want to travel when the kids are out of school (winter/spring/summer breaks and holidays). There will be more demand than supply during those time periods.

If you’re thinking about going to the HHV every summer, you might want to consider buying there.

You basically have two choices.

1. Buy Hilton Hawaiian Village for the home week advantage. However home week reservations must be booked 12 months to 9 months before check-in. Owners can only reserve the exact unit size, unit view, for the full week with a Saturday checkin. There is no flexibility (in terms of checkin day, number of nights and unit size/type) but you’ll only have to compete with HHV owners that plan to book their home week.
2. Get up at midnight and book during the Club reservation window reserving whatever is available at HHV. During peak travel season, leftovers weeks may not be available in all unit sizes and views. You may have to change rooms if there isn't a single room available for the entire length of stay. When the Club Reservation Window begins at the 9 month mark, all owners have an equal chance to book most resorts, in any size unit, in any view for any length of time (3 night minimum) therefore whoever books the quickest gets whatever is available.

I honestly haven’t been watching summer availability since the newest tower has been built (Grand Islander). Sometimes we see a dip in demand when a new Oahu location is added because some folks want to try out the newest option.

Here’s a good thread about the various Lagoon Tower views - https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/lagoon-tower-ocean-front.226980/

Earlier this year, I added a 2nd week at the Lagoon Tower (2 Bedroom Plus EOYE Platinum season for $7k). I recommend Diane Nadeau (diane@timesharebrokersales.com) and Old Republic Title & Escrow of Hawaii. Diane was able to find the price I was looking for.

Here’s my closing statement. In addition to the purchase price, I paid an additional $1345.36 in closing cost & fees.

View attachment 13349

Good Luck

I agree with this 150%. As usual, @alwysonvac gives great advice.

 

[Adajano]

Well, I think a couple of questions are in order.

1. How much are you willing to spend without taking a loan?

2. How much are you willing to spend on MF’s?

3. While at HHV, do you want an ocean view or is a city view acceptable?

I ask these because if having a view of the ocean is important and you are going every year, you may want to spend more to get a higher point unit. If costs are more important (I have a family of 5 too, so I understand) then a 7000 point platinum unit will suffice. I’m not sure (I’ve never booked LT) if the regular 2 bedroom platinum is relatively easy to book when the 9 month club reservation season starts. Someone who regular books LT might have more insight than me. If it is harder to book than the higher point rooms, you may consider a higher point unit as well.

Thanks I have considered the financials and they work for us. For view we just got back and was pleasantly surprised by having the city/Mountain View’s. Not picky on views. Feedback is very helpful since you have a family of 5

 

[Adajano]

I would use one the of the brokers most recommended for HGVC:

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I would recommend looking at the information in this spreadsheet.
I would also recommend reading this thread.

I would also recommend purchasing only platinum season.



For 5 people, you will probably need a 2-Bd (most 1-Bd only allow 4 people). Either way, I would still recommend purchasing at least 7000 points, to begin with. For HHV, the lowest point property is Lagoon Tower. This property is also in the most demand and books the quickest usually right when the club window opens at the 9-month mark.

View attachment 13348
Here is the point chart for LT. I did check, all 1-Bd at LT only allow 4 people in that unit.

Thank you so much for the insight and looking forward to more info to make the the best decision

 

[Adajano]

If you want to travel to Hawaii annually, buy Hawaii. I am in the Camp “buy where you want to go often”. We own The Bay Club 2bd Villa EOY. Our intention is to go EOY. We are a family of 7 so I don’t want to trade in for a Villa when we want to go.

You received great advice from Tuggers.

GL

Great insight and share. Also thanks for sharing the contact info. We’ve stayed Hilton Hawaiian a few times and I like the idea of that being our home resort. How are the MF?

 

[GT75]

How are the MF?

Review this thread for all that information.

 

[brp]

I am in the Camp “buy where you want to go often”.

However, this only makes sense if you're gonna stay for a week. If not, then it becomes irrelevant as there is no home field advantage for any other kind of reservation (bHC properties excepted, of course). We like staying at Bay Club/Kohala, but no reason to own there over Vegas as we don't stay a week. Also, really easy to get those anyway.

Now, with DVC, for example, this is becoming more and more important, but the home field advantage is more substantial and less restrictive.

Cheers.

 

[Remy]

I get the Lagoon Tower attraction. I'm in it right now. But I'm glad I sprung for more points in Vegas to have the options of trying out the other towers should availability dictate.

I did the "buy where you want to go often" thing when I started out in HGVC in 2010. I ended up paying a lot more for zero advantage at Valdoro. You have the right idea: buy the cheapest points, maintain flexibility.

 

[dayooper]

Thanks I have considered the financials and they work for us. For view we just got back and was pleasantly surprised by having the city/Mountain View’s. Not picky on views. Feedback is very helpful since you have a family of 5

My kids are 19, 16 and 9. We stayed at Ocean 22 2 bedroom with a king bed in the master bedroom and 2 queens in the 2nd. My youngest stayed on the pull out sofa sleeper while the older 2 each got a bedroom. The room was plenty big, but I believe we have limited time with the youngest on the sleeper sofa. I see 3 bedrooms and more points in our future.

 

[SteelerGal]

However, this only makes sense if you're gonna stay for a week. If not, then it becomes irrelevant as there is no home field advantage for any other kind of reservation (bHC properties excepted, of course). We like staying at Bay Club/Kohala, but no reason to own there over Vegas as we don't stay a week. Also, really easy to get those anyway.

Now, with DVC, for example, this is becoming more and more important, but the home field advantage is more substantial and less restrictive.

Cheers.

We are a family of 7 so traveling less than 7days isn’t cost effective, especially when vacation requires airfare.

 

[brp]

We are a family of 7 so traveling less than 7days isn’t cost effective, especially when vacation requires airfare.

Wholeheartedly agree that this makes sense for some. For others, however, it does not. We are two, airfare is mostly irrelevant and, in fact, we would prefer to take more, rather than fewer, flights to maintain our various airline statuses (statii? ). So I was just trying to point out the alternatives to "buy where you want to stay" based on stay choices.

Cheers.

 

[pianodinosaur]

We own in Las Vegas And Orlando. Exchanging into the Lagoon Towers during peak season is sometimes difficult. I don’t yet see many problems exchanging into the other properties. If you are willing to be flexible with your travel plans, a purchase in Las Vegas will get you in Hawaii most of the time.

 

[CPNY]

We are a family of 7 so traveling less than 7days isn’t cost effective, especially when vacation requires airfare.

Woah 7! That sounds like a fun group we were 6 growing up. So much fun