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Question about pressure for dual ownership with Diamond & HGVC in order to get access to Dex. Is it worth it? Already HGVC Premier level.

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Getting pressure from Diamond for dual ownership with Diamond & HGVC in order to get access to Dex. Already HGVC Premier level.
Is Dex worth it??

If we buy the 4000 Diamond pts, can we use all of our HGVC points in Dex?

Can our HGVC points in Dex really be held for 5 years, rather than “use or convert” in 1 year?

Don’t understand the whole Trust Fund idea that Diamond is pushing? Can TUG explain it?
 

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Getting pressure from Diamond for dual ownership with Diamond & HGVC in order to get access to Dex. Already HGVC Premier level.
Is Dex worth it??

If we buy the 4000 Diamond pts, can we use all of our HGVC points in Dex?

Can our HGVC points in Dex really be held for 5 years, rather than “use or convert” in 1 year?

Don’t understand the whole Trust Fund idea that Diamond is pushing? Can TUG explain it?
This is probably a question better asked in the Hilton Vacation Club forum. I've reported it to request it be moved there.
 

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Getting pressure from Diamond for dual ownership with Diamond & HGVC in order to get access to Dex. Already HGVC Premier level.
Is Dex worth it??

If we buy the 4000 Diamond pts, can we use all of our HGVC points in Dex?

Can our HGVC points in Dex really be held for 5 years, rather than “use or convert” in 1 year?

Don’t understand the whole Trust Fund idea that Diamond is pushing? Can TUG explain it?
If I was you, I'd probably be asking about Dex in general, and if it does seem really worth it - probably still wait a bit and see how it rolls out, Craig just got Dex access inside HGVC, and rumors are that other affiliates will be getting it. I don't think I'd jump straight into Diamond that's supposed to be hard to get rid of just for Dex.
 

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I think if you're looking at DEX, you are better to look at a deeded Diamond week vs one of their points collections. You can pick up a resale deeded week for free in almost all cases.
 

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I guess it depends on what job want. If you are already in DRI, then you should have access to DEX already, either the points version or the weeks version.

Now, if you want to own in HGVC with the option to use the points in HGVC or DEX EU, then a resale Craig Lodges week may be the way to go.
 

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If we buy the 4000 Diamond pts, can we use all of our HGVC points in Dex?
No, you will end up with two separate accounts. Only your whatever you purchase HVC/DRI pts would be able to use in DEX. And you would be a point owner in DEX with 4K points not getting you much.

If you want DEX, I would suggest a deeded HVC/DRI property such as 2BR LO Sedona Summit or Craigendarroch Lodges. Since I own Craig, I have enrolled my unit into DEX and so far that exchange looks very promising. But I would never buy HVC/DRI trust points.
 

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HVC: The Point at Poipu, 3 deeded weeks, 1 of which is in The Club.
I think if you're looking at DEX, you are better to look at a deeded Diamond week vs one of their points collections. You can pick up a resale deeded week for free in almost all cases.
A deeded week can have up to 50% lower maintenance fees than the equivalent points and can still trade through Dex.

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Hasn't it already been reported here that people with HGVC Elite levels actually get downgraded when switching to Max Elite levels?

I think you would be better with a Scotland resale purchase and enroll that in Dex if that is your goal.

Stop listening to sales, they only care about commission, they will tell you all sorts of lies.
 

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Can our HGVC points in Dex really be held for 5 years, rather than “use or convert” in 1 year?

Don’t understand the whole Trust Fund idea that Diamond is pushing? Can TUG explain it?

HGVC points could be good for a 4 year window if you think about it:

Year 1 - borrow next year's for free
Year 2 - current year
Year 3 - pay to Save points
Year 3/4 - pay to deposit in RCI

The trust was a way for DRI to sell the deeds twice! They sold original deeds then took them back from people that went to trust points. All the deeds were put in a trust and equivalent points were what is being sold. So now people are paying a blended maintenance fee of all the deeds in the trust, plus the trust management "club" fees. In most cases people who converted paid higher annual fees. It was all a shell game for DRI profit.
 

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In DEX EU, deposited weeks are good for 5 years with no deposit fee. Bonus weeks are good for 1 year

There is an exchange fee though when you want to book and an upgrade fee if the exchange is for a higher tier than what is deposited.

The reality though, even with the cost of MFs for a 1 bed plat peak season Craig Lodges week , tier 4, about $800, the exchange fee, and the upgrade fee, it is still a bargain for a tier 6 unit. I just paid a 340 pound upgrade fee (tier 4 to tier 6) and the exchange fee 165 pounds to exchange our 1 bed plat week for the 3 bed grand penthouse OV unit at Cabo Azul for April 2026... And that unit is pretty impressive plus we can book up to 2 years out.
 

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In DEX EU, deposited weeks are good for 5 years with no deposit fee. Bonus weeks are good for 1 year

There is an exchange fee though when you want to book and an upgrade fee if the exchange is for a higher tier than what is deposited.

The reality though, even with the cost of MFs for a 1 bed plat peak season Craig Lodges week , tier 4, about $800, the exchange fee, and the upgrade fee, it is still a bargain for a tier 6 unit. I just paid a 340 pound upgrade fee (tier 4 to tier 6) and the exchange fee 165 pounds to exchange our 1 bed plat week for the 3 bed grand penthouse OV unit at Cabo Azul for April 2026... And that unit is pretty impressive plus we can book up to 2 years out.
Do you have to pay the resort fee (1200 pesos/day) with this trade? I did using RCI for Cabo Azul two bedroom unit (great resort). Or does DEX charge its lower resort fee ($150/week)?
 

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Do you have to pay the resort fee (1200 pesos/day) with this trade? I did using RCI for Cabo Azul two bedroom unit (great resort). Or does DEX charge its lower resort fee ($150/week)?
Nope....we didn't know because the info in DEX says that you may unless you are an owner but we booked a week at the end of June/first week of July at Cabo Azul and no resort fee....they saw us as owners. that is a big plus to using DEX.

We have HGVC (Embarc) Sandestin booked for spring break and it says there there could be one there so we will see in March.
 

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Do you have to pay the resort fee (1200 pesos/day) with this trade? I did using RCI for Cabo Azul two bedroom unit (great resort). Or does DEX charge its lower resort fee ($150/week)?
The DEX exchange guide has a completely different set of resort fees that apply, if they apply at all. They don't look to be anywhere close to the resort fees that apply to RCI bookings.
 

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The DEX exchange guide has a completely different set of resort fees that apply, if they apply at all. They don't look to be anywhere close to the resort fees that apply to RCI bookings.
I know that. Using DEX for Grand Luxxe units for next year, the resort fee for me will be $150 per unit. These trades are a "bargain" using DEX compared to RCI or II. I am using DEX as a former DRI owner, my question was if using DEX as a HGVC owner eliminates the resort fee charge (as in the case of HuskerATL who is not being charged the resort fee for Cabo Azul and I would assume would be the case for Grand Luxxe trades as well (?).
 

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While we're talking abut Dex - how do the cash booking options look? I only got it flashed at me in my one "update" presentation, but I don't trust anything the salespeople would have shown me. If they're at least as good as RCI extra vacations I think that might tip me over the edge to buying a Craig week.
 

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I know that. Using DEX for Grand Luxxe units for next year, the resort fee for me will be $150 per unit. These trades are a "bargain" using DEX compared to RCI or II. I am using DEX as a former DRI owner, my question was if using DEX as a HGVC owner eliminates the resort fee charge (as in the case of HuskerATL who is not being charged the resort fee for Cabo Azul and I would assume would be the case for Grand Luxxe trades as well (?).
I am not sure. I would hate to blanketly state that what happened at Cabo Azul is uniform across the DEX options. Cabo Azul is DRI/HVC so maybe it is treated differently than the Embarc or other partner properties. We have one data point so far.
 

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While we're talking abut Dex - how do the cash booking options look? I only got it flashed at me in my one "update" presentation, but I don't trust anything the salespeople would have shown me. If they're at least as good as RCI extra vacations I think that might tip me over the edge to buying a Craig week.
I posted some screen shots the the DEX thread. Some appear to be decent deals.
 

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I posted some screen shots the the DEX thread. Some appear to be decent deals.
What thread is that? My searching seems to be failing me.
 

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I am not sure. I would hate to blanketly state that what happened at Cabo Azul is uniform across the DEX options. Cabo Azul is DRI/HVC so maybe it is treated differently than the Embarc or other partner properties. We have one data point so far.
When I sign into DEX as former DRI, I see all the Cabo Azul units have (from the Fact Sheet) the 1200 pesos per day resort fee. This is the same resort fee when exchanging with RCI (as with my trade there this past January). Whereas, with Vidanta exchanges, including Grand Luxxe, the resort fee is $150 US per week. Is your exchange to Cabo Azul, where there is no resort fee, as a HGVC owner?
 

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When I sign into DEX as former DRI, I see all the Cabo Azul units have (from the Fact Sheet) the 1200 pesos per day resort fee. This is the same resort fee when exchanging with RCI (as with my trade there this past January). Whereas, with Vidanta exchanges, including Grand Luxxe, the resort fee is $150 US per week. Is your exchange to Cabo Azul, where there is no resort fee, as a HGVC owner?
When you say former DRI, do you mean than you have bought elsewhere now or you are still in DRI? Even though HGVC bought out DRI, they are still two completely different systems... So, you are really still DRI if you still have that ownership.

DEX EU is now allowing HGVC Craigendarrouch Lodges owners to deposit in DEX EU. That is how we get access now. We didn't know how Cabo Azul would see us but they saw us as owners so we didn't have to pay the resort fee.
 

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When you say former DRI, do you mean than you have bought elsewhere now or you are still in DRI? Even though HGVC bought out DRI, they are still two completely different systems... So, you are really still DRI if you still have that ownership.

DEX EU is now allowing HGVC Craigendarrouch Lodges owners to deposit in DEX EU. That is how we get access now. We didn't know how Cabo Azul would see us but they saw us as owners so we didn't have to pay the resort fee.
I am still with the DRI Las Vegas deeded week that is now HGV owned/controlled. I understand now why you are not charged the resort fee at Cabo Azul, which is HGVC. You are HGVC with Craigendarrouch, whereas I am HGV with my Las Vegas (formally DRI) week. If you search DEX for Vidanta, I am guessing you would also get the $150 per week resort fee, since Vidanta is not HGVC.
 

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I am still with the DRI Las Vegas deeded week that is now HGV owned/controlled. I understand now why you are not charged the resort fee at Cabo Azul, which is HGVC. You are HGVC with Craigendarrouch, whereas I am HGV with my Las Vegas (formally DRI) week. If you search DEX for Vidanta, I am guessing you would also get the $150 per week resort fee, since Vidanta is not HGVC.
Cabo Azul is HVC not HGVC but both are HGV so maybe. We will see when we stay at another place like Vidanta.
 
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One other difference about DEX, at least as it has been explained to me in the brochures, is that Destination Xtras from $299 (coming soon) are not unlimited like I think they are with RCI. We are standard members and, when it comes live, are only allowed two of these types of reservations a year. Higher tiers get a few more stays.
 

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Destination Xtras from $299 (coming soon) are not unlimited like I think they are with RCI.
I don’t see a booking fee of$299 for xtras when I book them.
 
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