Poll for Interest in Legacy HGVC/HGVC-Embarc Direct Exchange

[GT75]

Poll for interest in Legacy HGVC and HGVC-Embarc exchange.

https://embarcresorts.com/embarc-resorts.html

British Columbia
EMBARC® WHISTLER
EMBARC® VANCOUVER
EMBARC® UCLUELET
EMBARC® PANORAMA

Ontario
EMBARC® BLUE MOUNTAIN

Quebec
EMBARC® TREMBLANT
Tremblant

Mexico
EMBARC® ZIHUATANEJO

California & Florida
EMBARC® PALM DESERT
EMBARC® SANDESTIN

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[escanoe]

Q to ensure everyone is level set: What does “Legacy HGVC” mean? I originally thought it meant those that own HGVC but are not in HGV Max. But now it means resorts that were HGVC and not Embarc that has been reclassified as HGVC?

Seems to me people in any HGVC product (even those with new contracts in Max) may be interested in direct changes with Embarc members.

I feel like I am pretty down with TUG lingo, but I still wonder if I understand things right some of the time. I have a bit of empathy for new and casual users.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

Seems to me people in any HGVC product (even those with new contracts in Max) may be interested in direct changes with Embarc members.

am I mistaken or has only 1 Embarc owner discussed this here? I think people here quickly, accurately realized that MAX is only good for exchanging if there are enough member depositing weeks in both locations. This is the same thing, except more "off the grid". It takes 2 to tango.
And cd5, while being extremely helpful and knowledgeable, has discussed only process, not interest really.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

Nobody can say anything but "no plans" or "no plans ... but like the idea". It doesn't exist. All that has been discussed is process, not interest, not inventory, availability, etc. Every Embarc owner has the means to create an anonymous tug account and post "Got this, want that". Nobody has. The cart before the horse in this amazes me.
May as well ask me if I envision taking a commercial space-flight in the next 20 years. Cost? Safety? A dozen other parameters?

 

[cd5]

am I mistaken or has only 1 Embarc owner discussed this here? I think people here quickly, accurately realized that MAX is only good for exchanging if there are enough member depositing weeks in both locations. This is the same thing, except more "off the grid". It takes 2 to tango.
And cd5, while being extremely helpful and knowledgeable, has discussed only process, not interest really.

I did mention that within 3 hours I had over 300 Embarc members express interest. Certainly more than the Hilton owners likely possible here. There are very few Embarc members in TUG. I've been a paying member of TUG since 2008. I don't see many other Embarc members here.
Our Facebook group has over 6000 members as a possible pool for "interest". You obviously didn't follow the entire thread. A lot of what you're deriding has been discussed and explained. TUG doesn't have enough people to meet the level of interest in the Embarc group (not the other way around like you're surmising) and Embarc members don't want to be solicited by anyone other than "verified" (as much as possible) Hilton owners.
I'm somewhat offended by having this compared to the Max money grab. It appears that it's not all that popular for Embarc members to spend $10k or more for doubtful availability at 6 months out in Max so availability at Embarc will likely continue to be an issue. Also, there's not that much left available at 6 months out (at checkout) once the Embarc Members have made their choices.
This is an exchange at cost proposal, member to member and it is being very well thought out and planned before opening it up to général "admission".
The proposal is not to move 600 Embarc owners over to TUG to make arrangements for trades. They are familiar with a process to do that amongst Embarc owners that has been in place since 2019 and is very successful. Because of the number of verified Embarc members involved, we're driving the initiative and we're looking at using the same/similar method that has proved to be a success for our members. If only 10 Tuggers are interested, so be it. All Hilton members are not represented here. There's a very large number in other groups that we will also be soliciting.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

@WaikikiFirst This poll is about assessing demand from HGVC users before anyone on TUG invests time and energy on building a process that scales. As you state, there is nothing to limit one-off trading today and that can continue.

The Embarc team is assessing demand from their side in their closed FB community. I would encourage the Embarc team to pursue this experiment where their community resides on FB if there is interest. This is not stopping that effort.

The Poll parameters are simple. Are there any of the 9 Embarc resorts (there aren't that many) where Tuggers would use your existing HGVC points to trade for Embarc HGVC points in the next 6 - 24 months?

As we discovered in the other thread, Embarc resorts are in the same points range and are a good proxy for equivalent HGVC sized units.

Do the locations even interest you? If so, would you make immediate plans with your HGVC points compared with other alternatives? Simple. That's what this poll is about.

 

[GT75]

What does “Legacy HGVC” mean?

Hgvc and not in max nor Embarc. Embarc resorts are being rebranded as HGVC. HGV has created a mess on nomenclature

 

[WaikikiFirst]

"within 3 hours I had over 300 Embarc members express interest"
Yes. I read that. And not one came here or did I miss them?

"Certainly more than the Hilton owners likely possible here."
I think logically the # interested could be the inverse ratio of the # destinations in each system. Wrong?

"There are very few Embarc members in TUG."
Which tells us something.

"You obviously didn't follow the entire thread."
I followed the entire thread and thought it was progressing pretty well. Then the OP decided it wasn't. That is what happened. The Op decided there wasn't much interest and decided to take a poll, a poll which I will again point out is "Cart before the horse". A poll which is most most likely to support the theory that there "isn't much interest".

"TUG doesn't have enough people to meet the level of interest in the Embarc group (not the other way around like you're surmising)"
You surmise what I am surmising. I can easily answer "1 year" to this poll, but it makes no sense. I probably would only want something on the West Coast. Will those be available? idk, so "1 year" is simply not correct. Hope is not a plan. If people can't figure out what is so fundamentally wrond with this poll, at least they muxt be able to see that using the word "plan" invalidates the whole poll. Hope is not a plan.
Embarc has 9 sites. They're not all that diverse. A grass-roots discovery process where only a single person from one side is willing to provide info will not generate obvious interest from the other side. It is almost Anti-Marketing.

"I'm somewhat offended by having this compared to the Max money grab."
It is the exact opposite "money-grab" wise but it is similar in what is required for it to result in actual exchanges.

"it is being very well thought out and planned"
I mostly agree with that. That seemed to be true, until the OP decided it was probably a dead-end. Your surmisal of what I surmise is almost exactly backwards. My comments are toward taking THIS poll at this time in this manner. I thought the original thread was fine, though mostly about process. The poll-taker doesn't seem to agree.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

wadr; this is almost all wrong
"nothing to limit one-off trading today and that can continue"
Continue? Where is it happening? To "continue", it has to be happening on a regular basis. Nothing to limit? Plenty to limit it. #1; there is no DISCOVERY process. Show me the discovery process that gets the dancing partners together.

"This is not stopping that effort."
This poll is mis-stated and mis-guided. It will result in "confirming" the theory that there is not enough interest in tug, which will most certainly stop any effort on Embarc's side.

"The Poll parameters are simple."
There are no parameters. It even incorrectly calls it a "plan".

"As we discovered in the other thread, Embarc resorts are in the same points range and are a good proxy for equivalent HGVC sized units."
Yes, and I am one of the 2 people who took the time to spot-check #s on that.

"Do the locations even interest you? If so, would you make immediate plans with your HGVC points compared with other alternatives? Simple. That's what this poll is about."
A few of them do. I could easily answer "1 year", but that is Cart-Before-The-Horse. "What it is about" is not true in multiple ways. The poll doesn't say "immediate". The poll doesn't present enough of an "alternative" to "compare with other alternatives". The poll frames it around time periods when the thing doesn't even exist.

 

[WaikikiFirst]

This is what the poll-taker said when the poll-taker decided to take a poll. "I am sensing that there is limited interest in this exchange. "
Now I have to go chuck wood.

 

[cd5]

Good idea. The dead end is on the TUG side not Embarc. TUG doesn't have the numbers to meet the ones Embarc would have. OP is interested but doesn't necessarily want to put out a lot of effort for only 20 TUG Hilton members if that's all there is.
300 Embarc members won't be joining TUG to trade with Hilton members here. There is zero interest - I post about TUG in the group often and no one joins. Great as this forum is for some, most have no reason to do so. I was the one solicited (not the other way around) to see if our members were interested and they are
I don't think you speak for everyone here. GT75 is checking for more than 1 opinion. I've already checked in my side and regardless of what your opinion is, the number of trades would be sizeably greater than anything you see here even if we have less resorts - because we have less restrictions and more interested members. TUG isn't the only game in town and there are other avenues we can take with other persons to participate.

No need to be rude in any event. You've trash-talked two actual long time TUG members (not "guests") for no reason at all except you perhaps got out of bed on the wrong side this morning? You have issues. Have fun chucking wood.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

@cd5 I believe you are stating that the "dead end" is on the TUG user interest side for Embarc.

FYI... TUG has a sizable community as it just reached 117k users. Not all of them are HGVC (some are MVC and Hyatt), but even if only 10% lurk the HGVC group that's 11,700 users, almost double the 6k users in Embarc FB community. If it is 15% that read HGVC Forums we are talking almost 3x at 17,500 users.

As you know, the OP is trying to gauge the level of interest from the TUG community which so far has been lack-luster based on the number and velocity responses from the prior thread. To compare, look at the number and velocity of posts that were generated when Max was introduced. He is testing this because some would rather quietly participate in polls rather than post. This is an all volunteer effort.

We'll see how the responses go.

 

[cd5]

@cd5 I believe you are stating that the "dead end" is on the TUG user interest side for Embarc.

FYI... TUG has a sizable community as it just reached 117k users. Not all of them are HGVC (some are MVC and Hyatt), but even if only 10% lurk the HGVC group that's 11,700 users, almost double the 6k users in Embarc FB community. If it is 15% that read HGVC Forums we are talking almost 3x at 17,500 users.

As you know, the OP is trying to gauge the level of interest from the TUG community which so far has been lack-luster based on the number and velocity responses from the prior thread. To compare, look at the number and velocity of posts that were generated when Max was introduced. He is testing this because some would rather quietly participate in polls rather than post.

We'll see how the responses go.

Thanks for the info. I don't see much engagement in general so have doubts. In any event, now that the most of the work is done, we'll be going ahead. I just need reliable information from someone knowledgeable to craft the Hilton "rules" for trading in the group. Thanks for your positive posts.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

@cd5 Please don't confuse a public forum where many people read but are unwilling to post publicly (how often do people read and then consistently post a comment to a national newspaper article?) vs. a small private forum on FB where people are willing to engage. TUG is a public forum. You even stated that your own FB Embarc community is unwilling to step outside the private conversations in your community to engage with other communities. People read. The engagement is different but no less relevant.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

@WaikikiFirst Based on your response, it sounds like you are willing to volunteer your time to make this exchange work. Perhaps you would like to help @cd5 with the Hilton rules she is requesting?

 

[Mongoose]

Hgvc and not in max nor Embarc. Embarc resorts are being rebranded as HGVC. HGV has created a mess on nomenclature

Is Embarc being branded as HGVC or HVC? Would Embarc be available to legacy HGVC owners?

 

[cd5]

Is Embarc being branded as HGVC or HVC? Would Embarc be available to legacy HGVC owners?

Embarc is HGVC but the only avenue Hilton is proposing for exchanges (for both sides) is to pay to join HGV Max and be able to book 6 months out. That is the reason for this proposal/idea to exchange directly between members/owners

 

[GT75]

I have locked this thread since the reason for it is no longer necessary. Embarc members have decided to pursue this via FB groups. @cd5 is welcome to post information concerning this exchange via whatever method that they determine (which sounds like it will be some FB group). TUG members can then evaluate if they would like to join.