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Playa Andaluza 3 bed gold sales offer

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For anyone looking to get an external week enrolled, this is one of the better offers I've had!

Playa 3 Bed lock off Gold Season
18.000€/19.300$/15.500GBP
3000 points per year
Can enrol 1 external week with it
 

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For anyone looking to get an external week enrolled, this is one of the better offers I've had!

Playa 3 Bed lock off Gold Season
18.000€/19.300$/15.500GBP
3000 points per year
Can enrol 1 external week with it

This is certainly something someone consider vs. buying 2000 trust points for $30K to enroll a single week.

However, it's unfair to call these 3BR "lockoffs". My understanding is that a buyer would be buying a 3BR unit. The term "Lockoff" is not part of the sales contract. Some 3BRs are single-entry dedicated units and some are dual-entry (lockoffs) which have a separate guestroom. Different owners may have different needs but there is no guarantee a lockoff will indeed be available to an owner at time of booking. Of course this shouldn’t matter if someone just uses this as 3000 points every year. But if someone wants to play the Ii two-for-one game, this may not work so well.
 
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This the kind of offer that might tempt me to try for Marriott points ownership. So everyone, check my math here:

Let's say I have a Grand Chateau 3br platinum plus week (worth 6,275 points when enrolled?) that I paid ~$6,000 for (ROFR.net doesn't provide a lot of guidance - does that seem reasonable?).

All-in purchase price: $25,300
Total points: 9,275
Total MF/year: ~$3,800
PP/Pt: $2.72
MF/Pt: $0.41

Compared to buying resale Marriott points, this is a smoking deal.

Compared to buying resale Wyndham points, it's still really pricey.
 

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This is certainly something someone consider vs. buying 2000 trust points for $30K to enroll a single week.

However, it's unfair to call these 3BR "lockoffs". My understanding is that a buyer would be buying a 3BR unit. The term "Lockoff" is not part of the sales contract. Some 3BRs are single-entry dedicated units and some are dual-entry (lockoffs) which have a separate guestroom. Different owners may have different needs but there is no guarantee a lockoff will indeed be available to an owner at time of booking. Of course this shouldn’t matter if someone just uses this as 3000 points every year. But if someone wants to play the Ii two-for-one game, this may not work so well.
They sold Grande Vista as having the lock off feature even though not all units have lockoffs. Though theoretically you are just buying a 3BR unit with the ability to lock off in the floating unit system...
 

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This the kind of offer that might tempt me to try for Marriott points ownership. So everyone, check my math here:

Let's say I have a Grand Chateau 3br platinum plus week (worth 6,275 points when enrolled?) that I paid ~$6,000 for (ROFR.net doesn't provide a lot of guidance - does that seem reasonable?).

All-in purchase price: $25,300
Total points: 9,275
Total MF/year: ~$3,800
PP/Pt: $2.72
MF/Pt: $0.41

Compared to buying resale Marriott points, this is a smoking deal.

Compared to buying resale Wyndham points, it's still really pricey.


I don't know that $6000 is reasonable for Platinum Plus week at MGC. The 2BR PP week 26 at NCV (5300 points) go for around $20K if you are quick enough to grab them when they go on sale. If MGC has 100 3BR units, that means there are only 100 3BR PP weeks total available (vs 5100 Platinum 3BR weeks). That's it.... It's a rare item and the seller has more bargaining power. If it's a high asking price and you won't pay it, someone else probably will.

There hasn't been an entry for PP MGC on rofr.net for 4 years. Lots happened since then... For example, MCS Gold Gulffront used to sell for $8K-$10 pre-pandemic, now they go for $20K. MCS Platinum Gulffront weeks now go for mid-$30Ks. vs low $20Ks pre-pandemic.

Also, I think rofr.net is biased towards people who may want to brag about a great deal found but doesn't necessarily reflect the average sale price.

That said, even at a $15K purchase price for that MGC PP week, you'd be at less than $4 per point all in.
 
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It’s an excellent deal, with the per point cost in the vicinity of the 3-3.50 resale point cost that may pass ROFR plus the $3 pp junk fees. Plus enrolling a resale week.
I wonder if it has to do with the relative strength of the dollar to the Euro now, since Aruba and St Kurt’s weeks remain much higher


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It’s an excellent deal, with the per point cost in the vicinity of the 3-3.50 resale point cost that may pass ROFR plus the $3 pp junk fees. Plus enrolling a resale week.
I wonder if it has to do with the relative strength of the dollar to the Euro now, since Aruba and St Kurt’s weeks remain much higher


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There are two ways to look at these deals and I have alternated myself between how I think about them.

The first way is to look at the total cost per point and total MF per point, as @altiste1 did in post#4. I think the MGC week in that example would be much pricier, but the conclusion will be the same even if you paid $20K for the resale week. Since you're buying the developer week at ~$6.5/point (which is already ahead of buying resale points due to lower MFs) after including a "strong" resale week you can get to a total cost of around $4 point with substantially low MFs/point as well. That definitely beats buying resale points at $6-$7 and your MFs will be much lower too compared to Trust points. And with just 2 weeks and a spend of less than $40K you'd likely be at Executive level. That's the "Excellent deal" way to look at it.

The second way to look at it is that the 3BR Gold Playa week is generally worthless on the resale market (see here for asking prices via broker) so you just paid a $19,000 "enrollment fee" to get a resale week into an exchange company. Interval International charges less than $100/year for membership. That's the "It's a very pricy membership fee" way to look at it.

There is no right way or wrong way really - it's a matter of perspective and personal choice. If you are considering buying Trust points or doing a hybrid deal to enroll resale weeks anyway, then going the Spain route is a "much less pricy" Abound enrollment fee option. If you prefer to watch your money grow in a brokerage or bank account, then keep your resale week/s unenrolled and trade with II.

For those considering this route for point generation, I should point out that buying a 3BR Playa resale week as the "resale part" of the transaction is not a bad option either. The 3BR Platinum seafront is 5600 points and it seems that can be bought for around $15K (link). Just don't rely on it as a lockoff to trade in II because lockoffs are not guaranteed at time of booking. But on a point value/MF/upfront cost basis it beats a NCV PP26 2BR week.
 

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For anyone looking to get an external week enrolled, this is one of the better offers I've had!

Playa 3 Bed lock off Gold Season
18.000€/19.300$/15.500GBP
3000 points per year
Can enrol 1 external week with it
And it should enroll 3 Westin weeks at 3000 points.
 

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For anyone looking to get an external week enrolled, this is one of the better offers I've had!

Playa 3 Bed lock off Gold Season
18.000€/19.300$/15.500GBP
3000 points per year
Can enrol 1 external week with it
Could you send me the link to this?
 

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Spain has some screaming per point deals every so often. Not always by any means, always best to keep checking.
 

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This is certainly something someone consider vs. buying 2000 trust points for $30K to enroll a single week.

However, it's unfair to call these 3BR "lockoffs". My understanding is that a buyer would be buying a 3BR unit. The term "Lockoff" is not part of the sales contract. Some 3BRs are single-entry dedicated units and some are dual-entry (lockoffs) which have a separate guestroom. Different owners may have different needs but there is no guarantee a lockoff will indeed be available to an owner at time of booking. Of course this shouldn’t matter if someone just uses this as 3000 points every year. But if someone wants to play the Ii two-for-one game, this may not work so well.
I have only just noticed the reference to 3BR Lockoffs at Playa Andaluza.
I will check our contract for the exact wording, but since we bought one of these 20 years ago now, we have always been able to lock off our unit into Master and Guest suites to either stay at our home resort for 2 weeks or to exchange through Interval for 2 weeks at another MVC resort.
 

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I have only just noticed the reference to 3BR Lockoffs at Playa Andaluza.
I will check our contract for the exact wording, but since we bought one of these 20 years ago now, we have always been able to lock off our unit into Master and Guest suites to either stay at our home resort for 2 weeks or to exchange through Interval for 2 weeks at another MVC resort.


Do you own 3BR Garden or Seafront? Gold or Platinum? When do you usually book?

For Gold season, I think it's pretty hard to get a lockoff in one of the weeks hugging the July-August Platinum season. Especially with Seafront since there are only a handful of those lockoffs (I couldn't get it done at 13 months + 1 week, albeit I was late by 15 minutes from the window opening and didn't try again at 12 months). May be easier with the garden view ones.
 

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Do you own 3BR Garden or Seafront? Gold or Platinum? When do you usually book?

For Gold season, I think it's pretty hard to get a lockoff in one of the weeks hugging the July-August Platinum season. Especially with Seafront since there are only a handful of those lockoffs (I couldn't get it done at 13 months or 13 moths + 1 week). May be easier with the garden view ones.
We own 3BR Seafront, but we mostly prefer travelling to Southern Spain when it is quieter over the Winter months so we bought Silver Season here.
We always book all of our MVC resorts at either 13 or 12 months out.
These are the 3BR Seafront units - Lockoff where 2 unit numbers are shown, non lockoff where 1 unit number is shown.

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Do you own 3BR Garden or Seafront? Gold or Platinum? When do you usually book?

For Gold season, I think it's pretty hard to get a lockoff in one of the weeks hugging the July-August Platinum season. Especially with Seafront since there are only a handful of those lockoffs (I couldn't get it done at 13 months + 1 week, albeit I was late by 15 minutes from the window opening and didn't try again at 12 months). May be easier with the garden view ones.
I am glad to hear this as I would like to purchase a 3 bedroom playa lock off so I can enroll my resales. I plan on spending 2 weeks there in September.
 

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Do you own 3BR Garden or Seafront? Gold or Platinum? When do you usually book?

For Gold season, I think it's pretty hard to get a lockoff in one of the weeks hugging the July-August Platinum season. Especially with Seafront since there are only a handful of those lockoffs (I couldn't get it done at 13 months + 1 week, albeit I was late by 15 minutes from the window opening and didn't try again at 12 months). May be easier with the garden view ones.
I was able to book a dual entry 3 bedroom Playa in June on points . I am assuming that is a lockoff. I want a gold unit to use for May, June or September to lockoff.
 

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You are all very impressive analyzing these deals. This is coming from a forensic accountant! I'm new to MVC and can't wait to get in on the game. Keep the ideas coming!
 

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You are all very impressive analyzing these deals. This is coming from a forensic accountant! I'm new to MVC and can't wait to get in on the game. Keep the ideas coming!
Do a search for Dean and/or hybrid deals. Tons of good analysis on this stuff.
 

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You are all very impressive analyzing these deals. This is coming from a forensic accountant! I'm new to MVC and can't wait to get in on the game. Keep the ideas coming!
It seems you're new to the game. For those of us that are numbers and detail people, as you have to be with what you do, it's easy to get paralysis of the analysis. You haven't shared details of your thoughts but I'll give you, and others reading, a potential starting plan. IMO of course.

  1. Consider finances. If one can't afford it, vacation is not a good plan, esp something that has ongoing commitments.
  2. Consider where and how you want to travel. That includes unit size, ability to plan ahead, length of travel, location, quality expectations, volume (days/weeks per year) and the like. IMO one generally needs at least a 2 BR a week a year to make timeshares a reasonable option with some limited exceptions for very specific situations.
  3. Consider there are commitments and compromises with timeshares, like no daily housekeeping, usually less onsite restaurant options and the like.
  4. That should tell you whether timeshares are a reasonable option.
  5. If timeshares look to be a good choice for travel, then look at what system seems to be best suited for your locations and situation. That might not be Marriott for many but at least look at several systems and work backwards from who has resorts in the area(s) you want to travel to.
  6. Specific to MVC, but will apply fairly well to all systems, decide whether weeks or points makes the most sense. Usually it's weeks for MVC or else buying weeks and enrolling with a retail purchase at one of the places that can sell enrolled weeks like Aruba, St. Kitt's or Spain. Esp if one is looking at volume.
  7. Starting with a Hybrid retail purchase is usually not the best choice IMO.
  8. I'm generally not a fan of starting with a "Trading Unit" but sometimes it does make the most sense.
Spend a few months getting educated since you don't know what you don't know.
 

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I was able to book a dual entry 3 bedroom Playa in June on points . I am assuming that is a lockoff. I want a gold unit to use for May, June or September to lockoff.

Dual entry is lockoff. It may be one of those things that is easier to get with points in June than with weeks. The best analogy I can think of is NCV Platinum where you have a Platinum season that is 6 months long but (too) many want July and August.

At Playa, the Gold season is 6 months long (March to October excluding July and August) but a lot of the owners probably have a preference for June. With the seafront units it is probably more cutthroat since you only have 5 of those lockoff units - per post #17 - and maybe 1-2 are released at 13 month out where owners booking 3,4, or 5+ weeks will have an advantage. On the other hand, you have owners who will elect points annually (3BR Gold SF is 4100 points - not too shabby) and we don't really know what kind of preference Abound allows itself when it comes to snagging lockoffs vs. non-lockoff inventory, especially when they are just designated as 3BR... I can take my tin foil hat off now :)
 

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Dual entry is lockoff. It may be one of those things that is easier to get with points in June than with weeks. The best analogy I can think of is NCV Platinum where you have a Platinum season that is 6 months long but (too) many want July and August.

At Playa, the Gold season is 6 months long (March to October excluding July and August) but a lot of the owners probably have a preference for June. With the seafront units it is probably more cutthroat since you only have 5 of those lockoff units - per post #17 - and maybe 1-2 are released at 13 month out where owners booking 3,4, or 5+ weeks will have an advantage. On the other hand, you have owners who will elect points annually (3BR Gold SF is 4100 points - not too shabby) and we don't really know what kind of preference Abound allows itself when it comes to snagging lockoffs vs. non-lockoff inventory, especially when they are just designated as 3BR... I can take my tin foil hat off now :)
Fortunately View does not matter to me. So buying a gold week garden view is fine. But I need to lock off for 2 weeks when I co to Spain. I am waiting for one of those deals to come around so I can enroll my resales I just purchased.
 

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Fortunately View does not matter to me. So buying a gold week garden view is fine. But I need to lock off for 2 weeks when I co to Spain. I am waiting for one of those deals to come around so I can enroll my resales I just purchased.

Aren't we in a thread concerning an ongoing deal? :)

The view is not an issue for me as well. But if I were to do this type of deal, the 3BR Gold Seafront week is 4100 points vs. 3000 points for Garden view and that does matter because I'd be electing points at least 4 of 5 years. Obviously, you're paying more upfront, but it's an extra 1100 points with no incremental MF and at that level they may allow you to enroll 2 weeks vs. just one for the deal described in this thread.
 
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