Online VV system - Vacatia

[Mutt Dutchman]

So I noticed recently that the new online system that Vacatia brought to VV has a booking option for Hotel style bookings at VV resorts. I don't remember having this ability previously. Haven't "checked" rates if they are good deals but being about to book directly and not use RCI is something I think I like. Wonder if they will eventually open up to other non-VV resorts.

I tested a random 7 night stay just to see the pricing vs 5 night. Looks like you do get a discount for longer stays.

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[krj9999]

They do allow you to rent individual nights on the Vacatia website - though the rates shown depend on whether you are, or are not, logged into your Vacatia Clubhouse account (if not logged in, rates are higher). Random Grandview dates in July (check-in July 11 and check-out on July 14) for a "one bedroom suite"; 3 night cost of $349.17 total - $88/night plus taxes/fees (including a $15/night resort charge) when in Clubhouse account. Same room on Vacatia not logged in is $488.40. Expedia price is $453.21 (non-refundable); Priceline price is $520.71 (non-refundable) - non-member rates (e.g, not VIP). Higher if you want refundable rates.

Just for awareness, I know there has been discussion of the $50 weekly resort fee for non owned weekly rentals - renting nightly stays has a $15/night charge seemingly with no limit - e.g., a 7 night stay via Priceline would be $105 in resort fees. Where that resort fee money goes - no clear answer.

Also very unclear to me how costs for housekeeping/laundry get allocated - the 2026 amount per 2BR unit is indicated at ~$240, or ~$120 for a 1BR. If a unit is rented for a single night, two nights, etc. - who is paying for the cleaning of the units? And what is the real cost of a single cleaning? And how thoroughly are units being cleaned? I mean, if the true cost is really $120 and someone rents a room for one night only for ~$100, how does that help the overall financial picture? Unless the owners are absorbing the costs (unfairly in my view).

 

[TUGBrian]

this certainly makes more sense as to why they are taking back more ownerships, and implementing the rental pool payout strategy where even non rented intervals get paid out the same share.

im assuming that all developer owned/controlled weeks are "automatically" included in the rental pool!

 

[montygz]

this certainly makes more sense as to why they are taking back more ownerships, and implementing the rental pool payout strategy where even non rented intervals get paid out the same share.

im assuming that all developer owned/controlled weeks are "automatically" included in the rental pool!

To me, it makes sense that the rental pool would be split. If we both contribute a 2BR unit for rent on the same week, and there is one renter for $2,000, who gets paid? Do we flip a coin and one gets the whole amount?

I don't rent, but I have wondered in the past how the rental payouts reported by owners were so high. It didn't make sense to me. I never heard an explanation about how Daily Management was doing it.

In any event, Vacatia should have provided a clear explanation about how rental income will be shared. Owners would no doubt still be unhappy, but at least there would be an explanation.

I also read that Vacatia is working on an internal exchange system, so it will be interesting to see if that offers some savings from RCI.

 

[TUGBrian]

if it were split up by week MAYBE...

however if 200 owners all submit a 2br to rent in october, and only 50 of those actually get rented, I dont see the fairness in paying the 150 that didnt rent the same amount.

 

[krj9999]

On renting, if I put my week 52 unit into the rental pool in January, and someone else puts their week 52 into the pool on December 1st or December 15th, should they all be treated equally? I certainly wouldn't think so, but that seems to be what they are implying at present.

Trying to rent on your own? Right now there's a whopping single unit available for rent on Redweek, and 5 listings on Koala. For comparison, Club Wyndham Grand Desert has over 1100 rentals available on Redweek currently.

On prior year rental income, yeah a bit perplexing - seemingly inflated. I reportedly received $1410 for my 2024 rental, but they take a healthy cut so I only received about $875 net (or $125/night). Though certainly above the MFs I paid. At least Nevada doesn't have a state income tax, so don't need to worry about filing a state tax return there (unlike Arizona). I also view it that if the resort is offering "discounted" rates for developer-owned rental units that there's some inherent "marketing spend" associated with that (doesn't reflect a true market rate) and that should also factor in.

I'd also be very curious on how many week 52 units the developer actually has in inventory at this point.