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Now what? Ended up on the toll road without a transponder

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After a miserable travel day complete with a two hour flight delay and car problems (albeit minor but still stressful) on the way to the airport in the pouring rain, we arrived in Dallas for a funeral. Had no ideas there were toll roads on our path or that Google maps would send us that way, and didn’t know where the hell we were anyway so not like we were going to try to change our route on the spur of the moment in the dark. I wasn’t overly concerned figuring TX had an online pay-after-the-fact like California does, but I find nothing when I Google that gives me any hope I can pay before we are hit with fines, that then are quadrupled when the rental car company hits our credit card. If anyone has a suggestion for us scofflaws, we’d love to here it. P. S. The hotel clerk showed me how to find “avoid toll roads” on her phone, but I couldn’t duplicate it while trying to later in our room.
 
P. S. The hotel clerk showed me how to find “avoid toll roads” on her phone, but I couldn’t duplicate it while trying to later in our room.

Download the Waze app. After you type in your destination, sweep the bottom of the screen up. You will see the available routes and will be able to choose between free and toll roads
 
After a miserable travel day complete with a two hour flight delay and car problems (albeit minor but still stressful) on the way to the airport in the pouring rain, we arrived in Dallas for a funeral. Had no ideas there were toll roads on our path or that Google maps would send us that way, and didn’t know where the hell we were anyway so not like we were going to try to change our route on the spur of the moment in the dark. I wasn’t overly concerned figuring TX had an online pay-after-the-fact like California does, but I find nothing when I Google that gives me any hope I can pay before we are hit with fines, that then are quadrupled when the rental car company hits our credit card. If anyone has a suggestion for us scofflaws, we’d love to here it. P. S. The hotel clerk showed me how to find “avoid toll roads” on her phone, but I couldn’t duplicate it while trying to later in our room.
We contacted the rental company after we were billed for TX toll roads which included a very high surcharge from the rental company. They did agree to credit us back for 1/2 the surcharge cost as a good will gesture.

We have been taking this same road in TX for 16 years and all of a sudden, it was a toll road. Now we know that we will use a different route when visiting the kids or register the rental vehicle for tolls which is probably more trouble than it is worth.
 
I live in Texas. Luckily I know the area around my home. But my iPhone always tries to make me take the Tollroad regardless of where I’m going. One day I put in the address for my kids dentist. The dentist office is only a 5 minute drive and is actually 1 mile BEFORE the toll road. The directions actually tried to make me bypass the the turn to the dentist’s office, get on the toll road, go down to the next exit and get off.
 
Try this website for the Dallas area: https://www.ntta.org/pay-your-bill. When we drove through TX last summer, we scofflaw'd a Houston-area toll road. So after we got home, I googled the regional toll road authority for the Houston area, and entered our license number to check for the toll. It took a couple of weeks for the bill to show up, but when it did, I paid it. You'll have to do the same - just check back every few days or so until the bill shows up.
 
In the Austin area it’s TxTag and they have had major problems since they started. I got a bill in Novermer and the system was not working so I wasn’t able to pay it online or by phone. I didn’t want to pay by mail because in the past they have had too many problems. You definitely want to get proof of payment as soon as you pay. After about a month of trying I was finally able to talked to a human. I learned that in a town 30 miles away there was a Department of Public Safety (DPS) office that had a TXTag desk where I could pay the fee. The gentleman there told me they had stopped charging late fees because they knew the system wasn’t working properly.

Note: when I bought my new car I didn’t get a TxTag because I purposely did not want to take the toll roads anymore. Just too many problems. Went to an out-of-town football game and had to take the toll road.
 
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In Oklahoma, they still had machines for non-transponder visitors, but it didn't work. I called the agency and the rep cancelled the charge.

If it's all-electronic, you'll probably have to pay but there should be a website or phone number to do it through.
 
In North Carolina, you drive on the toll road and they mail you a bill.

All of those electronic map devices seem to want to put you on a toll road. There is a toll road going into Dulles airport and a non-toll alternative. The electronic maps always send you to the toll road.

The short road out of the Dublin airport in Ireland is a toll road, and there are not any signs telling you that or how to pay. We would have been popped by them through our rental car company, but we went to the orientation session at the timeshare we had traded into through DAE, something I usually don't do, and the manager asked how many had flown in through Dublin, and how many had paid the toll, to which no hands went up. We all went to her office after the session and she got on the computer and got our tolls paid for us. She also told us how to find the office within the airport to pay the toll on returning, which was not easy to find, but we did and paid the toll. The whole thing seemed to be a racket to scam tourists. And the rental car company never mentioned a toll. They were probably making too much money off of those extra fees when people did not pay and it got routed to them.

Of course one solution is what a friend of one of my colleagues did on UK speed camera fines. Apparently this guy had a rather heavy foot in driving and was not aware while he was driving there that the speed cameras existed, so before he could get a notice from the rental car company, he cancelled the credit card he had used to rent the car, so the rental car company could not charge him for any fines and service fees.
 
I have had nothing but lousy experiences with toll roads and rental cars! One trip to DC, I turned down the rental agency's package because I knew the area well enough to avoid the limited toll roads in NoVA/MD. A week or two after I got home, I received a $30~ish bill for a toll (plus added fees) down in the Hampton/NewportNews/Norfolk area on New Year's Eve. Luckily I had a receipt for breakfast in Harrisonburg, VA . . . and dinner with family in Front Royal that night. There was NO WAY I was where they said my car was at 2pm that afternoon. Budget Rental Car's local desk manager argued with me and said there was no way there wasn't a mistake. It was a terrible ordeal to finally get Budget Corporate to credit back to my VISA card for their erroneous charge.

We also had an issue down in Florida (around Miami) but I don't recall the details since it was so long ago. But that didn't end well . . . and we got socked with big tolls plus fines, etc.
 
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The short road out of the Dublin airport in Ireland is a toll road, and there are not any signs telling you that or how to pay. We would have been popped by them through our rental car company, but we went to the orientation session at the timeshare we had traded into through DAE, something I usually don't do, and the manager asked how many had flown in through Dublin, and how many had paid the toll, to which no hands went up. We all went to her office after the session and she got on the computer and got our tolls paid for us. She also told us how to find the office within the airport to pay the toll on returning, which was not easy to find, but we did and paid the toll. The whole thing seemed to be a racket to scam tourists. And the rental car company never mentioned a toll. They were probably making too much money off of those extra fees when people did not pay and it got routed to them.
Before our trip to Ireland, I had read reports of such and was prepared to avoid the road(s) where we suspected there might be issues. And yes, it would appear to be a racket to get foreign tourists.
 
I have had nothing but lousy experiences with toll roads and rental cars! One trip to DC, I turned down the rental agency's package because I knew the area well enough to avoid the limited toll roads in NoVA/MD. A week or two after I got home, I received a $30~ish bill for a toll (plus added fees) down in the Hampton/NewportNews/Norfolk area on New Year's Eve. Luckily I had a receipt for breakfast in Harrisonburg, VA . . . and dinner with family in Front Royal that night. There was NO WAY I was where they said my car was at 2pm that afternoon. Budget Rental Car's local desk manager argued with me and said there was no way there wasn't a mistake. It was a terrible ordeal to finally get Budget Corporate to credit back to my VISA card for their erroneous charge.

We also had an issue down in Florida (around Miami) but I don't recall the details since it was so long ago. But that didn't end well . . . and we got socked with big tolls plus fines, etc.

A slightly different but similar issue is involved with red light cameras. When NC had a bill in the legislature to crack down on the practice, one state representative brought in a constituent to testify. She had received a red light camera ticket in the mail from a town in the other end of the state that she had never been in at all. Fortunately, she could document that on the day in question, not only was she hospitalized in Las Vegas, but the her car was in the hospital parking garage there the whole day.
 
FYI
Ohio will have open road tolling completed by spring of 2023 according to the Turnpike Commission.
 
FYI
Ohio will have open road tolling completed by spring of 2023 according to the Turnpike Commission.
No idea what that means
 
Every mapping app I have has a setting to avoid toll roads, Waze, Apple, Goggle, has an “avoid tolls” setting. So far so good.
 
Some states have set up toll road payment systems as a form of torture to their citizens and visitors using these roads. Having just fought my navigation system while driving my way down the east coast to Ft Lauderdale, I can attest to the problems the mapping and navigation systems seem to have. My rental had a navigation system with outdated software. Apparently the rental car company had not coughed up the money to update the navigation system for 2 years. Roads had been changed to toll roads and the nav system had no clue.
Ok, let’s try Apple Maps. Since they decided to no longer pay a license fee to Garmin, the software was not always accurate with toll roads. I am talking latest version, latest hardware. And then there are my hated google maps and Waze. Both google garbage and not always up to date. Have turned in rental car, sent notice to rental car company that there are tolls due, will pay what I owe, but no service charge because some cheap higher up would not pay to upgrade nav system. Researching top notch Garmin with big screen to carry and use next time. Want unlimited free updates for sure. This will be an POA for next couple months to sort out and get everyone paid without paying for excess fees
 
Every mapping app I have has a setting to avoid toll roads, Waze, Apple, Goggle, has an “avoid tolls” setting. So far so good.
It seems that the default is "Use most toll roads" until you find that setting every time you do a new route.
 
It seems that the default is "Use most toll roads" until you find that setting every time you do a new route.
Mine stays on avoid toll roads until I change it.
 
Unknowingly, I once used a setting which kept us off interstates.
I figured something was up when we were next to I-95.
I said, "Screw you," got on I-95, and fixed it at a rest stop.
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After a miserable travel day complete with a two hour flight delay and car problems (albeit minor but still stressful) on the way to the airport in the pouring rain, we arrived in Dallas for a funeral. Had no ideas there were toll roads on our path or that Google maps would send us that way, and didn’t know where the hell we were anyway so not like we were going to try to change our route on the spur of the moment in the dark. I wasn’t overly concerned figuring TX had an online pay-after-the-fact like California does, but I find nothing when I Google that gives me any hope I can pay before we are hit with fines, that then are quadrupled when the rental car company hits our credit card. If anyone has a suggestion for us scofflaws, we’d love to here it. P. S. The hotel clerk showed me how to find “avoid toll roads” on her phone, but I couldn’t duplicate it while trying to later in our room.
Your situation was what many people encounter after having rented a car without having that state's toll system transponder. Which potentially allows some rental car companies to happily hit you with all manner of extra fees.

First of all, in response to your Google Maps question, you hit the icon in the upper right corner. Then, hit "settings" followed by "Navigation Settings" (which you'll have to scroll down to find). Then "Avoid tolls" as one of the "Route options".

But "avoiding tolls" should only be done if your car rental company may not already have a transponder in the vehicle and require you to use it (which is the case with many of the larger car rental companies which make their transponder part of your overall charge). If your car already comes with a Hertz, etc. transponder, you WANT to use the toll roads because they're usually relatively inexpensive and oftentimes save you a significant amount of time and are perhaps even cheaper once you figure in the greater amount of gas you'll have to buy to use non-toll roads.

"What about my car rental company wanting to charge me $10 per day for their transponder and giving me the option not to. And my trip is only going to be a short trip and I know where all toll roads are and I can easily bypass them", you may ask. Then, I would agree that perhaps it would be cheaper if you avoided tolls instead. But only under those circumstances.

Here's what second tier car rental companies do as part of their overall business plan: (1) advertise the lowest cost by far relative to other companies but then (2) inform you at the counter that you can choose to not pay their $10 per day for their transponder ("so you'll never have to worry about tolls!") but you'll be charged a $10 penalty plus the toll for each instance of going past a toll collection point without paying the toll such that the car rental company gets a "Pay By Plate" bill. If you accept their transponder, great for them as they earn a significantly greater amount of money from you. If you don't accept their transponder thinking you'll simply not enter into any clearly defined toll road, great for them as well in that you'll invariably do so, perhaps without recognizing you've done so or perhaps you had no other option, and "cha-ching" for them.

So what's your best strategy?

1) Determine through a few minutes Internet search what your destination state's toll system might be.

2) If your home state is part of that same multistate toll system, take your transponder on your trip with plans to leave it above the dashboard or affix it on the windshield somehow.

But what if your home state is not on the same multistate toll system or it is but you don't have a transponder at all, what then?

Call the state's toll system and ask how you can get a transponder. You don't have to live in a state to get a state's transponder. Just have enough time to get one mailed to you and/or get it from some retail location after getting to the state (presumably after using "avoid tolls" until you can get the transponder).

In fact, many people don't know you can get another state's transponder if they live in another state. For example, EZ-Pass is the multistate toll system accepted throughout the entire East coast and even in states like Minnesota. So you can do some comparison shopping to determine what might work out cheapest for you. If you live in Maryland, they charge you an upfront fee for the transponder plus charge you a monthly subscription fee. But in Massachusetts, they charge neither a fee for the transponder (it's free) nor any monthly fee. The fact that most every Marylander buys their transponder from Maryland E-Z pass is a sure sign that people simply don't know they'd be better off getting one via Massachusetts.

And once you get that Massachusetts EZ-Pass, you can travel through Florida (nowadays, anyway, as Florida only recently started accepting EZ-Pass) and never worry about tolls.
 
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Florida recently started accepting E-ZPass. You can subscribe to E-ZPass through all, or at least many, states that use it, even if you don't live there.

We live in Indiana which has only a few E-ZPass roads that we never drive. I subscribed through Massachusetts because they don't change a monthly fee as some states do.
 
To follow up on my last post, state toll systems change their rules. So make sure you know their current rules rather than rely on memory about any state's rules.

For example, Florida used to have its Sunpass for part of the state and another system for the Orlando area. And your E-Z Pass would not work anywhere in Florida. But now Sunpass works everywhere. E-Z Pass works everywhere. And each can be used wherever E-Z Pass is accepted. Rather a momentous change.

I wrote above that Maryland charges an upfront fee for their transponder. But decided to check current rules. And Maryland apparently no longer charges anything upfront for their transponder. And furthermore only charges a monthly fee to out-of-state residents.

But here's another issue to evaluate: where do you frequently travel? Because some state toll systems give you discounts at "their" toll collection points if and only if you have their state's transponder. For example, New York charges an upfront fee (I think $25) for their transponder but also charges you "only" $6.55 to use the New York City bridge crossings (like the Throgs Neck Bridge to/from Queens and the Bronx) but charges $10.17 to all others.

And that's just for two axle vehicles. Definitely worth getting a New York transponder if you have a three axles or more vehicle as the upfront fee may pay for itself in one roundtrip.
 
Gotta love NC’s dynamic pricing on the toll express lanes recently opened after years of construction delays around Charlotte! The heavier the traffic the more you pay!
 
A few years ago we got hit up for about $95 of tolls in Arizona. I know, Arizona has no toll roads. The car rental company refused to help us. My investigating turned up it was for tolls in Florida for the license on the rental car. When we got the car it had paper plates so we figured the original plates must have been stolen and used in Florida to go thru tolls the same time we were in Arizona. I had to pay it then send a bunch of paperwork to prove we were in Arizona the entire time. Again no help from rental company and guilty till we proved our innocent.
 
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