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New stories from salesperson in today's Hilton meeting

inishbofin

inishbofin

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new claims that I had not heard before in an "owner Update"
the legacy Diamonds have 2 HOA's; one for the inventory Hilton bought + the DRI owners who converted in; and one for the legacy owners who did not buy into more Hilton. Supposedly they have separate physical units and maintenance.
The legacy unit charges will skyrocket and the Hilton one will rise very slowly. If you do not convert you will not have access to the better units and your cost will spiral.
Hilton has dropped both II and RCI affiliations so legacy Diamond owners will only be able to trade with DEX (which they made sound like something Hilton started) and fees will be high
If you do not upgrade to Hilton you will soon have to pay resort fees at locations you trade into with DEX,

They explained why upgrading in a "no=brainer"

I collected 60,000 HH points and said thank you.
 
Seems like a whole bunch of FOMO.
 
inishbofin said:
the legacy Diamonds have 2 HOA's; one for the inventory Hilton bought + the DRI owners who converted in; and one for the legacy owners who did not buy into more Hilton. Supposedly they have separate physical units and maintenance.
The legacy unit charges will skyrocket and the Hilton one will rise very slowly. If you do not convert you will not have access to the better units and your cost will spiral.
Hilton has dropped both II and RCI affiliations so legacy Diamond owners will only be able to trade with DEX (which they made sound like something Hilton started) and fees will be high
If you do not upgrade to Hilton you will soon have to pay resort fees at locations you trade into with DEX,
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I'm not familiar with the details of former Diamond resorts, but a recent stay at Vilar Do Golf in Portugal was via II and the front desk kept saying that we were staying in an "owner" unit which was different from the ones we could have rented from them. The unit we had was dated, but pleasant enough, which is not unusual for II reservations at resorts that have a mix of renovated and nit renovated. We didn't have to pay for pool towels, but other guests did. When I took the outside seat cushions to the front desk to be changed as they were dirty, the comment was that they were from an owner unit, so they would see if housekeeping could clean them, I never saw them again and was surprised they didn't offer replacements. If it is the case that there are separate inventories and maint fees, I'd expect the Hilton ones to be higher as they have spent more money on them compared to the legacy units.

Former Diamond resorts are alive and well in II, so that's not correct.
 
TolmiePeak said:
60k in Hilton points? Why bother. Ask for 250k next time and don't budge.
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In Hilton Honors points, that would be 5 nights in a decent Doubletree hotel. i have not seen an offer like that to listen for 60-90 minutes. Great job if you can get it.
 
inishbofin said:
legacy Diamonds have 2 HOA's; one for the inventory Hilton bought + the DRI owners who converted in; and one for the legacy owners who did not buy into more Hilton. Supposedly they have separate physical units and maintenance.
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I like this one. Creative. Actually possible. A step above most threats. They had premium coffee in the conf room when they brainstormed those threats.
However, it is very easy to confirm/deny once you leave the room, making it all the more obvious that everyone should just keep hands in pockets in the room. I'd guess the lawyers can tell us it is not even legal to divide up the HOAs like that without having already sent every owner a letter about it.

The legal and logistical costs of those make it unlikely, though not impossible. Separate "maintenance"? come on. Did they say "maintenance" or "renovation"?
 
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inishbofin said:
In Hilton Honors points, that would be 5 nights in a decent Doubletree hotel. i have not seen an offer like that to listen for 60-90 minutes. Great job if you can get it.
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I think your math is off. The rock bottom is about 25K for an undesirable location and time. Typically 50-80K. Out of all their brands, there are only 2 locations in all of the US right now for 20K or less.

 
So his claim of 250 minimum is 5 nights at 50 each. I think that math's if you want to go upscale them his 250 is 4 nights
 
inishbofin said:
So his claim of 250 minimum is 5 nights at 50 each. I think that math's if you want to go upscale them his 250 is 4 nights
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But why only settle for 60k? The post the other day said some rooms are charging close to 200k points per night. I would want to get at least one night for wasting my time.

It was pretty funny the salesperson spend the 1st hour with fumbling around convinced that we paid $50k for our Elara week. It wasn't until the closer came over 70 minutes into the meeting and told her we were resale. I said yes of course. Why would I pay $50k if I could buy the same resale week for $4k? The meeting was quickly over after that.
 
Get it in writing.
 
inishbofin said:
So his claim of 250 minimum is 5 nights at 50 each. I think that math's if you want to go upscale them his 250 is 4 nights
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In my experience as a business traveler and Diamond, most desirable locations are 50-80K+ per night. If you are willing to book way out in advance you get better rates. The higher the occupancy the higher the points per room per night. I've booked Waldorf Astoria locations for 80K only to see the same room later be 350K per night.
 
Going to a HGVC owner update @ HHV, $200 in gift cards offered. Will let you know outcome, it’s tomorrow. I want info on the new tower, don’t want to be here during construction.
 
inishbofin said:
Supposedly they have separate physical units and maintenance.
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Technically speaking, that is (sort of) true. But not in the way they pitched to you. We own a deeded week at Point at Poipu, and our MF are lower than a HGV "Club" owner for equivalent points because they have to pay Club fees. And of course each week - whether owned by HGV's trust or by a deeded owner - has to be accounted for. Our deed specifies what physical unit we "own" for a week each year, in our case ocean front floating which gives us a leg up on reserving better view units. But when we go, they don't put us in that unit - we are assigned by the resort, based on what view, open rooms, our advance request, etc.

It would be a scheduling nightmare for the staff to maintain 2 separate systems of units for guests.
 
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