New Point Values Spreadsheet

[GregT]

All,

Please visit the Points Spreadsheet linked below -- we have a new (and much more comprehensive) points spreadsheet for most of the DC properties. When MFs come out, I'll be updating this spreadsheet to compute the MF/DC pt ratio.

Please do compare the numbers shown to what you are expecting/experiencing. I've already seen a fairly significant inconsistency in the Aruba OF properties that we are seeking to confirm.

And....this new file wouldn't be possible without the daring exploits of one of our very own TUGgers....who in a feat worthy of Cold War espionage, stumbled across the official Marriott DC pts election list for only a few precious seconds.

Good thing he had his iPhone with him....my gratitude to our anonymous friend....I will have to buy him a martini....shaken not stirred......or perhaps a G&T.

Best,

Greg

 

[csalter2]

U's

Greg,

What do the U's stand for on Crystal Shores room types? You have UV, US, etc.

Also what's PH?

 

[GregT]

Greg,

What do the U's stand for on Crystal Shores room types? You have UV, US, etc.

Also what's PH?

I'm not sure why they have a "U" but the points chart indicates they are Gulf Side, Gulf View, Gulf Front.

My guess is they are probably using U since the G was spoken for with Garden Views.

Best,

Greg

 

[dioxide45]

All,

Please visit the Points Spreadsheet linked below -- we have a new (and much more comprehensive) points spreadsheet for most of the DC properties. When MFs come out, I'll be updating this spreadsheet to compute the MF/DC pt ratio.

Please do compare the numbers shown to what you are expecting/experiencing. I've already seen a fairly significant inconsistency in the Aruba OF properties that we are seeking to confirm.

And....this new file wouldn't be possible without the daring exploits of one of our very own TUGgers....who in a feat worthy of Cold War espionage, stumbled across the official Marriott DC pts election list for only a few precious seconds.

Good thing he had his iPhone with him....my gratitude to our anonymous friend....I will have to buy him a martini....shaken not stirred......or perhaps a G&T.

Best,

Greg

Great information Greg. It is always good to get some information from behind the curtain.

 

[Kdjk5467]

Wait, you don't get the same number of points required to rent the unit when you deposit that unit? All the rumblings are starting to make sense now. Im not sure why it took so long for me to get it. They really should make this information available.

 

[m61376]

Wait, you don't get the same number of points required to rent the unit when you deposit that unit? All the rumblings are starting to make sense now. Im not sure why it took so long for me to get it. They really should make this information available.

In one word- NO. It's called the skim. In most cases owners get less points trading them for DC points than it would cost to book an average week in their season. In some cases, an owner isn't given enough points to book ANY week in their season. And for owners accustomed to locking off for 2 weeks, you'll find that a studio + 1BR cost far more than a 2BR.

Welcome to the new and improved Destinations Club

 

[SueDonJ]

Thanks again for keeping up with this info, Greg. The Points spreadsheet is one of the best references for the DC and I agree it should be incorporated into the Summary of New Marriott Points Program sticky. The problem is without a mod participating here on a regular basis, somebody needs to make that request of Brian or another mod. Have you already given it a try?

 

[SueDonJ]

Wait, you don't get the same number of points required to rent the unit when you deposit that unit? All the rumblings are starting to make sense now. Im not sure why it took so long for me to get it. They really should make this information available.

In one word- NO. It's called the skim. In most cases owners get less points trading them for DC points than it would cost to book an average week in their season. In some cases, an owner isn't given enough points to book ANY week in their season. And for owners accustomed to locking off for 2 weeks, you'll find that a studio + 1BR cost far more than a 2BR.

Welcome to the new and improved Destinations Club

No doubt the skim is a factor when you're considering a like-for-like exchange within Marriott's DC. But if Kdjk is just being made aware of the skim now, it's possible that s/he also missed the fact that an owner who enrolls his/her Week does not have to convert it to DC Points for home resort usage. Enrolled/Exchange Members can do all the things we've always been able to do with our Weeks at our home resorts as well as within II, OR elect to convert them to DC Points for usage in that system. So the skim is only a factor when you choose to play with Points.

 

[dougp26364]

In one word- NO. It's called the skim. In most cases owners get less points trading them for DC points than it would cost to book an average week in their season. In some cases, an owner isn't given enough points to book ANY week in their season. And for owners accustomed to locking off for 2 weeks, you'll find that a studio + 1BR cost far more than a 2BR.

Welcome to the new and improved Destinations Club

For some it is an improvement. Case in point would be high value non-lock off Hawaiian 2 bedroom units. Those owners were getting one week for the exchange and often considered it trading down. Now they can get one week plus for their ownership. Sometimes they can get two weeks plus for their one week.

For some, it's an improvement. For others......not so much. Marriott probably considers it as leveling the field. At least they allow owners the option of joining, not joining, joining and coverting to points or joining and remaining in the weeks exchange system but with one fee vs ala carte fee's.

 

[GregT]

All,

I am getting PMs from people who are receiving different points than what is shown on the Marriott list (Point Values Update v1).

This is interesting - can people post here in this thread when there is a difference?

I thought the Marriott list would be better, but this suggests that there will still be differences. We may find our old list is still accurate.

Interesting stuff....

Best

Greg

 

[ral]

Grand Chateau 3 bedroom Platinum - 4625 points

 

[dioxide45]

Greg,

Is the listing on your spreadsheet "Horizons at Orlando" and "Horizons at Branson" your verbiage or directly from the Marriott list? If it is from the Marriott list, I would find it odd that they would use the old names instead of the new ones of Harbour Lake and Willow Ridge Lodge. I believe the name changes were announced and completed before DC was announced on 6/20/2010.

 

[GregT]

Greg,

Is the listing on your spreadsheet "Horizons at Orlando" and "Horizons at Branson" your verbiage or directly from the Marriott list? If it is from the Marriott list, I would find it odd that they would use the old names instead of the new ones of Harbour Lake and Willow Ridge Lodge. I believe the name changes were announced and completed before DC was announced on 6/20/2010.

Dioxide,

Yes, that is straight from the list. I think it is the legal descriptions because they also call MOC Lahaina/Napili "Maui Ocean Club Sequel". I simply renamed it and I will do the same with the Horizons - good catch.

Best

Greg

 

[jimf41]

I own 4 types. MFC 2bdrm week 7, MFC 2bdrm plat, Ocean Pointe 3bdrm and Ocean Pointe 2bdrm OF. All are accurate on both the new and old chart.

 

[Bill4728]

Greg,

Is the listing on your spreadsheet "Horizons at Orlando" and "Horizons at Branson" your verbiage or directly from the Marriott list? If it is from the Marriott list, I would find it odd that they would use the old names instead of the new ones of Harbour Lake and Willow Ridge Lodge. I believe the name changes were announced and completed before DC was announced on 6/20/2010.

Could you name them Harbour Lake (Horizons) and Willow Ridge (Horizons) since many of us just can't seem to get use to the new names?

 

[suzannesimon]

I have MFC, 3BR Holiday week is 6250, 2 BR Holiday week is 4600.

 

[mjm1]

Greg, thanks for the post and updated information. The information for Desert Springs 1 looks correct to me. One thing I noted that I think would apply to resorts in California is the maintenance fees don't include property taxes, which we pay separately. Not sure if that can be included and whether property taxes are the same for everyone.

Great information. Thanks again.

 

[exotherm]

Thank You

Greg,

Many thanks for your initiative and dedication in establishing this website and encouraging a "points market".

Joe

 

[Time2Buy]

Greg,

The points received for a 2BR M/G at Maui Ocean Club Sequel should be 5,550 instead of 5,500. It was correct on the v10 spreadsheet.

Thanks for all the work you do to collect this information!

Greg

 

[PearlCity]

Is that right? Willowridge Platinum weeks only gives 1850 points for platinum 2BR but if you want to stay a week in the summer you have to pay 2400 points? Why would they make the points uneven like that?

 

[slum808]

Tuggers refer to it as the skim. All week owners receive less points than it takes to book the same unit season they turned in. It cost Marriott more to do daily bookings, so they skim the points and that helps pay for the added cost. It's one of the downfalls to the rollout of the point program. Many refused to enroll because of the skim. It's not consistent and varies from property to property.

 

[dioxide45]

The skim is just another form of payment for additional services related to daily based reservations. Other point systems have additional fees related to daily or multiple reservations. With the Destinations Program you don't have to pay additional housekeeping fees when you make more than one reservation. The skim is a trade off for cash based fees that they could be charging instead.

 

[GregT]

The skim is just another form of payment for additional services related to daily based reservations. Other point systems have additional fees related to daily or multiple reservations. With the Destinations Program you don't have to pay additional housekeeping fees when you make more than one reservation. The skim is a trade off for cash based fees that they could be charging instead.

Dioxide is correct that this is another form of payment. Because it is non-cash, users may not appreciate how much it costs them.

As an example, if a Ko Olina owner redeems their 2BR OV week (that costs 5,725 to reserve in summer and 4,925 in off season) and receives 4,950 points, they are whole for the off-season but were skimmed 775 points for the better season.

Those missing points are worth $400 - $500. For the one week -- that's alot of fees.

It is an intentional design by Marriott that is controversial, but people have generally moved on, simply acknowledging it as the structure.

I still think it is a shoddy way to treat your best customers -- the people who own the inventory that is needed to make the system work.

But I also think the system has real merit -- it is a good system -- and I am finding ways to use it that work for me.

Best,

Greg