New Marriott timeshare at Disney?

[nanceetom]

We Judy completed a presentation And was told there is going to be 3-4 floors with 1/2?bedrooms and full kitchen facilities T the Disney Dolphin property since Marriott bought out SPG. It was also noted, Disney tickets would be included. Anyone have any knowledge on that?
Also, the same items were shared that since we are 'only' legacy owners, we will begin to not have access to new properties and Aldo have non priority access right now on all that is offered, except for the 53 original resorts!! Are these facts given on target??

 

[Saintsfanfl]

That's not a timeshare and the SPG timeshares were not part of the purchase anyway. Dolphin and Swan were SPG managed hotels so they are now controlled by Marriott hotels. Also, Marriott hotels and MVCI are separate companies.

What is it that you own and are you enrolled in DC points? An unenrolled legacy week owner only has access to what they own. If someone is enrolled then they can use their DC points the same as anyone else.

 

[SueDonJ]

We Judy completed a presentation And was told there is going to be 3-4 floors with 1/2?bedrooms and full kitchen facilities T the Disney Dolphin property since Marriott bought out SPG. It was also noted, Disney tickets would be included. Anyone have any knowledge on that? ...

With Starwood hotels now under the Marriott umbrella it won't be a surprise if MVW contracts with any of them to refurb some of the inventory to Pulse-like properties, because that's been their MO with Marriott hotel properties since the DC inception. However, the Dolphin and Swan hotels at Disney World have not been mentioned specifically in any of the official MVW releases that reference future properties. In other words, I wouldn't take sales reps' word that it's definitely going to happen, but I think it eventually could.

As for Disney theme park tickets, if anything they might offer the same packages that are available now to the hotel guests but I think that would require another separate contractual agreement between MVW and Disney. It couldn't be done in the same contract that MVW would have with the Swan/Dolphin hotel owners because those hotels are not owned by Disney. I doubt that the sales reps would be in the loop on something like this until/unless the property actually becomes available to Marriott timeshare owners (if it ever does.)

Also, the same items were shared that since we are 'only' legacy owners, we will begin to not have access to new properties and Aldo have non priority access right now on all that is offered, except for the 53 original resorts!! Are these facts given on target??

(This is copied from another post a few days ago.) It may be true that at some point in the future MVW can/will segregate certain inventory for DC Trust Points-use only but despite whatever the sales reps may say, MVW has given absolutely no indication that's their intent. Until/unless they do it, their system of manipulating all inventory through the DC Exchange Company is resulting in DC Exchange Points successfully gaining immediate access when the 13-mos Reservation Windows open to all but the highest-demand Trust intervals. And even with those, they're made available via the Exchange Company at the 12-mos window.

 

[larryallen]

It sounds like a timeshare SALES presentation to me.

 

[rthib]

Hotel is not owned by Marriott (or MVCI). Land is leased from Disney, who has a say in design, changes etc... I doubt they would allow any changes to support a time share across the street from two of their properties.

 

[Fairwinds]

Hotel is not owned by Marriott (or MVCI). Land is leased from Disney, who has a say in design, changes etc... I doubt they would allow any changes to support a time share across the street from two of their properties.

Right on point, I don't believe this one could happen. I've even heard rumors that Disney had trading restrictions against timeshare within a certain distance of their property. Anyone ever heard of that?

Tried to research it and found myself right back on TUG:

http://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?...cannot-exchange-into-disney-vc-resorts.98737/

 

[Saintsfanfl]

Right on point, I don't believe this one could happen. I've even heard rumors that Disney had trading restrictions against timeshare within a certain distance of their property. Anyone ever heard of that?

Tried to research it and found myself right back on TUG:

http://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?...cannot-exchange-into-disney-vc-resorts.98737/

It's not just Disney. It's Marriott and Westgate as well. It is a regional block and it is common in high timeshare areas. It's in Williamsburg as well. I think this is off topic though. The OP wasn't getting into II and trading. It was a theoretical Marriott internal issue.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

Hotel is not owned by Marriott (or MVCI). Land is leased from Disney, who has a say in design, changes etc... I doubt they would allow any changes to support a time share across the street from two of their properties.

This is true. Marriott owns only a handful of properties. The owner of the Dolphin and Swan is Tishman Realty & Construction Corporation and MetLife. Starwood is just the management company.

 

[dioxide45]

I put the odds of this ever happening at less than 1%. Doesn't the owner of the Swan and Dolphin simply lease the land from Disney? Were the properties even owned by Starwood, now Marriott International? If the land is simply leased, I don't see why Disney would allow a competing timeshare to sell on their land. When they first opened WDW, they needed hotels and rooms, so Disney allowed several companies to build hotels, many are near Disney Springs, Swan and Dolphin is another.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

I put the odds of this ever happening at less than 1%. Doesn't the owner of the Swan and Dolphin simply lease the land from Disney? Were the properties even owned by Starwood, now Marriott International? If the land is simply leased, I don't see why Disney would allow a competing timeshare to sell on their land. When they first opened WDW, they needed hotels and rooms, so Disney allowed several companies to build hotels, many are near Disney Springs, Swan and Dolphin is another.

I agree. If there is anything to the story it is the hotel and has nothing to do with timeshares.

 

[dioxide45]

I would expect Marriott to finish out Harbour Lake and Lakeshore Reserve before adding another property in Orlando.

 

[Fairwinds]

It's not just Disney. It's Marriott and Westgate as well. It is a regional block and it is common in high timeshare areas. It's in Williamsburg as well. I think this is off topic though. The OP wasn't getting into II and trading. It was a theoretical Marriott internal issue.

My point was only to say that Disney will not welcome competition if they have any say in the matter

 

[Saintsfanfl]

My point was only to say that Disney will not welcome competition if they have any say in the matter

I don't think they can control it. The hotel isn't owned or run by Disney. They welcomed the competition when they leased the land. I am talking hotels here though and not DVC vs MVC.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

I would expect Marriott to finish out Harbour Lake and Lakeshore Reserve before adding another property in Orlando.

I'm wondering if it will ever happen. Orlando has evolved into a budget destination. Lakeshore is in a difficult market position. I can see Harbour Lake going first.

 

[Fairwinds]

I don't think they can control it. The hotel isn't owned or run by Disney. They welcomed the competition when they leased the land. I am talking hotels here though and not DVC vs MVC.

Ok; am I missing something? You agree when it's said in posts 5 & 9 but you disagree with me when I also agree and offer evidence of their desire to thwart competition.

 

[icydog]

I for one would love it but that its never going to happen. Disney fought the building of Bonnet Creek tooth and nail. They are never going to agree to have a Marriott timeshare set in the middle between Disney's Beach Club Villas and Disney's Boardwalk Villas.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

Ok; am I missing something? You agree when it's said in posts 5 & 9 but you disagree with me when I also agree and offer evidence of their desire to thwart competition.

Sorry I am talking about the hotels. I agree that there is not likely to be a timeshare there for many reasons. Since the salesperson referenced the merger any truth to the story is likely to do with the hotel owners or hotel management. The salespeople love to tout all these things that are not timeshare related and offer little to no benefit.

 

[nanceetom]

We Judy completed a presentation And was told there is going to be 3-4 floors with 1/2?bedrooms and full kitchen facilities T the Disney Dolphin property since Marriott bought out SPG. It was also noted, Disney tickets would be included. Anyone have any knowledge on that?
Also, the same items were shared that since we are 'only' legacy owners, we will begin to not have access to new properties and Aldo have non priority access right now on all that is offered, except for the 53 original resorts!! Are these facts given on target??

I really pushed for details, since this sounded like a 'selling' pitch. He repeatedly said the top 3-4 floors would be full 1 and 2 bedroom villas. Left not really believing this, but thought maybe someone here had heard something about this!

 

[Saintsfanfl]

I really pushed for details, since this sounded like a 'selling' pitch. He repeatedly said the top 3-4 floors would be full 1 and 2 bedroom villas. Left not really believing this, but thought maybe someone here had heard something about this!

It could possibly be but the point I was trying to make is that it would not be a timeshare.

 

[dioxide45]

There is a reason that the Swan and Dolphin don't actually carry a brand name (Sheraton, Westin, etc) on them. They have always been known as Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin. If all branding is absent at this property, I simply don't see how they could convert any part of them to timeshare.

 

[SueDonJ]

Now that you've all set me straight I agree that Disney probably wouldn't allow MVW to compete with them, so wouldn't allow branding of any refurbed units at the Swan and Dolphin to MVC-Pulse properties. BUT the Swan and Dolphin hotel owners could probably refurb some units as suites/1BR/2BR villas, if those don't already exist, and make them available to DC Members the same way other Marriott-umbrella hotel properties do via the DC Explorer Collection.

MVW would be stupid to not explore every possible opportunity now that the Swan and Dolphin are in their portfolio, and they're not stupid. They'd make it worth Disney's while, I'm sure, to work with them to get Marriott timeshare owners that much closer to Disney's timeshare sales presentations.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

Now that you've all set me straight I agree that Disney probably wouldn't allow MVW to compete with them, so wouldn't allow branding of any refurbed units at the Swan and Dolphin to MVC-Pulse properties. BUT the Swan and Dolphin hotel owners could probably refurb some units as suites/1BR/2BR villas, if those don't already exist, and make them available to DC Members the same way other Marriott-umbrella hotel properties do via the DC Explorer Collection.

MVW would be stupid to not explore every possible opportunity now that the Swan and Dolphin are in their portfolio, and they're not stupid. They'd make it worth Disney's while, I'm sure, to work with them to get Marriott timeshare owners that much closer to Disney's timeshare sales presentations.

I agree and what you are describing was what I was referring to when I said I don't think Disney can control it.

 

[rthib]

I agree and what you are describing was what I was referring to when I said I don't think Disney can control it.

Actually they can control it. Any changes to the structure (inside or out) have to be approved by Disney, that is part of the lease agreement.
So Disney would have to approve the conversion. Since Disney is the process of expand the number of hotel rooms they are offering by constructing a new tower, I do not think they would allow it.
Also, DVC is also building out new or recent on site properties (Polynesian and Wilderness lodge are the latest) also don't see them want to offer competition to those units.

 

[SueDonJ]

Swan and Dolphin Presidential Suites

"The Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Resort offers eight Presidential Suites featuring elegant bathroom and bedroom appointments richly designed in residential style décor. These high-end suites offer a sophisticated palette of colors, contemporary amenities, and an overall ambiance that’s equally appealing to the business client as it is to the vacationing resort guest.

Entry foyers welcome the discerning traveler. Original works of art, a 55” widescreen flat panel LCD TV, full WiFi and a baby grand piano distinguish each remarkable suite. Rich fabrics, elegant lighting, custom furniture and understated accessories complete the look. Kitchens feature new appliances, colors and surfaces one would find in an upscale private home. And the integration of the living and dining rooms with the adjoining bedrooms create a pleasing continuity throughout each suite."

Check out the Rooms & Suites pages at the above link - these properties already have inventory that ranges from standard hotel rooms to the expansive Multi-Bedroom/Kitchen suites described in the quote. Perhaps Disney wouldn't contract with MVW to allow booking with DC Points and advertising by Marriott Vacation Club, but with Marriott, Int'l as the manager there will eventually be availability via Marriott Rewards Points which can be obtained by converting DC Points or enrolled Weeks. Even when they've had written rules saying that MRP's earned in specific ways can't be used in other specific ways, they have a dismal track record of enforcing those rules.

Including the Swan and Dolphin as options in the DC Explorer Club can be advantageous for both MVW and Disney if done correctly. I understand what everyone is saying here and maybe it won't ever happen, but I hope that MVW puts a whole lot of effort into trying to make it happen. There are many MVW owners who have been drooling for a Marriott connection within the WDW footprint, and many of them will happily attend DVC sales presentations in order to compare the two companies and buy in to get all the extras that Disney offers at that location. Win-win all around, in my opinion.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

Actually they can control it. Any changes to the structure (inside or out) have to be approved by Disney, that is part of the lease agreement.
So Disney would have to approve the conversion. Since Disney is the process of expand the number of hotel rooms they are offering by constructing a new tower, I do not think they would allow it.
Also, DVC is also building out new or recent on site properties (Polynesian and Wilderness lodge are the latest) also don't see them want to offer competition to those units.

Have you read the lease? I have a hard time believing they can deny improvements or mods based on room size or so called "competition". This thread is conjecture on complete silliness started by a timeshare salesperson. I'm done.