New Abound Trust to Bonvoy Conversion for 2025

[Fasttr]

​ CLUB POINTS TO MARRIOTT BONVOY POINTS: NEW TRADE RATIOS​

​ ​ ​ Owner Benefit Level ​ Owner​ Select​ Executive​ Presidential​ Chairman’s Club​ ​ Trade Deadline ​ 6 months prior to the end of the current Use Year​ 6 months prior to the end of the current Use Year​ 4 months prior to the end of the current Use Year​ 4 months prior to the end of the current Use Year​ 2 months prior to the end of the current Use Year​ ​ Percent Which May Be Traded ​ 50%​ 50%​ 65%​ 65%​ 75%​ ​ New Ratio ​ 1:45​ 1:45​ 1:50 ​ 1:50​ 1:55​

 

[Fasttr]

For tracking purposes, at the points launch, it was 1:32, then it was improved to 1:40, and now the above.

 

[cubigbird]

Any word on if they will improve the ratio for Vistana Staroption owners?

 

[dioxide45]

Any word on if they will improve the ratio for Vistana Staroption owners?

Marriott did change the conversion rates for some Marriott deeded weeks last year. It seems the Vistana weeks were already fairly high, at least compared to Marriott weeks and Club Points. I doubt we will see any changed for Vistana conversions.

 

[daviator]

Marriott did change the conversion rates for some Marriott deeded weeks last year. It seems the Vistana weeks were already fairly high, at least compared to Marriott weeks and Club Points. I doubt we will see any changed for Vistana conversions.

All of my Vistana ownerships are significantly worse (Bonvoy conversions) than the new Marriott conversion rates. The best of them are WKORV and WKORVN, which (as Chairman's Club) convert to 264,000 Bonvoy points for a two bedroom lockoff. MFs for those properties are something like $4400 now, so that means you're paying about 1.7¢ per point, and the various points sites value the Bonvoy points at about 0.7¢ per point. So you spend more than double what the points are worth.

However, you can convert your Vistana week or points to Bonvoy points every year in full, so there's none of the "you can only convert xx%" nonsense.

As a comparison, my MMOC week elects to 5850 Abound points, which could convert to 321,750 Bonvoy points, except that you can only convert 75% of them, or 241,313 points, and you'd then have 1462 Abound points still to use. But actually, I don't know – can you convert *elected* Abound points to Bonvoy points, or only trust points?

My WDW week is even worse and only converts to 237,600 Bonvoy points, though the MFs are a bit lower so the $/point is probably actually better than the Maui properties.

Edit: turns out you can't convert elected points to Bonvoy points. I could probably convert the MOC week to Bonvoy points – I don't know what the rate would be – but I assume it would be an equally bad deal. All that aside, my point of this too-long post is that I disagree that Vistana weeks are a good deal, or even a better deal, compared to MVC points. They're all bad conversions.

 

[VacationForever]

So can I convert my Vistana ownership to Abound points first, and then convert the Abound points to Bonvoy points? My direct conversion from Vistana to Bonvoy is 132K Bonvoy points, but if I convert to Abound first and then to Bonvoy points it converts to 155,375 Bonvoy points.

Same question with MVC deeded weeks, can I elect Abound points and then convert to Bonvoy points?

 

[daviator]

So can I convert my Vistana ownership to Abound points first, and then convert the Abound points to Bonvoy points? My direct conversion from Vistana to Bonvoy is 132K Bonvoy points, but if I convert to Abound first and then to Bonvoy points it converts to 155,375 Bonvoy points.

Same question with MVC deeded weeks, can I elect Abound points and then convert to Bonvoy points?

No, I thought you could do that, but it turns out that you can't. Only Abound Trust points (not elected points) can be converted to Bonvoy points.

Which further validates my point, that the Vistana conversion rates to Bonvoy points are no longer a good deal when compared to the conversions on the MVC side.

 

[dioxide45]

All of my Vistana ownerships are significantly worse (Bonvoy conversions) than the new Marriott conversion rates. The best of them are WKORV and WKORVN, which (as Chairman's Club) convert to 264,000 Bonvoy points for a two bedroom lockoff. MFs for those properties are something like $4400 now, so that means you're paying about 1.7¢ per point, and the various points sites value the Bonvoy points at about 0.7¢ per point. So you spend more than double what the points are worth.

However, you can convert your Vistana week or points to Bonvoy points every year in full, so there's none of the "you can only convert xx%" nonsense.

As a comparison, my MMOC week elects to 5850 Abound points, which could convert to 321,750 Bonvoy points, except that you can only convert 75% of them, or 241,313 points, and you'd then have 1462 Abound points still to use. But actually, I don't know – can you convert *elected* Abound points to Bonvoy points, or only trust points?

My WDW week is even worse and only converts to 237,600 Bonvoy points, though the MFs are a bit lower so the $/point is probably actually better than the Maui properties.

Edit: turns out you can't convert elected points to Bonvoy points. I could probably convert the MOC week to Bonvoy points – I don't know what the rate would be – but I assume it would be an equally bad deal. All that aside, my point of this too-long post is that I disagree that Vistana weeks are a good deal, or even a better deal, compared to MVC points. They're all bad conversions.

You convert 100% of your MVC week to Bonvoy points. It works the same as Vistana VOId.

The percentages in the OP apply to trust points. You need to look at what you MOC week converts to for an apples to apples comparison.