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Misleading timeshare book

thetimeshareguy

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When I was on holiday last week in Puerto Vallarta, I read a book entitled "Timeshare Vacations for Dummies." I've read several For Dummies books in the past and found them useful, and I happen to have a lot of respect for the Frommer's brand, of which this is a part.

But the editors appear got "taken in" by the author Lisa Ann Schreier who is a timeshare salesperson and consultant. As I wrote in a review on Amazon (and in a letter to the publishers at Wiley), what purports to be a book benefiting the consumer is, in fact, a thinly veiled advancement of the very worst self-interested ideas of resort developers and retail timeshare salespeople. Her conflict of interest jumps out all over the place.

It's too late to prevent this book being available, but I hope that if more of us write to complain, the For Dummies folks won't publish a second edition, or anything else from this author. The book is extremely misleading and is in fact filled with errors that anyone who knows about timeshare would spot quickly. And they're not the usual errors of omission or sloppy research. They're statements meant to help this author boost her own credibility as the "go to" person in the retail timeshare industry, while not being helpful to the consumer.

Let me give you two specific examples.

First, savvy timeshare owners know that you should virtually never buy a timeshare new, as they trade at discounts of 60 per cent or more in the (large) resale market. Nowhere in the book does the author mention that as much as 60 per cent of the cost of a "new" timeshare interval is the developer's marketing costs (all those free theme park tickets, etc.), so if you sell your timeshare (and people do -- the average period of ownership is just five years) you stand to lose a lot of money. Whenever this author mentions resales, it's usually to say something negative. She ought to tell people to seriously investigate the resale market, and give them tips in that regard. Instead, she offers this howler from page 181: "Timeshares can and do increase in value," she writes, "however, but inflation may negate any gains you make." Wow!

Another example (and I could provide others) is not an innocent mistake: on page 135 she tells readers that if they buy at a "standard" resort they can't ever exchange into a more upscale (five-star, gold crown, etc.) resort. "You can always trade down," she writes, "but you cannot trade up." Say what? That is false and is exactly what salespeople say to get people to overpay for fancy timeshares. I own two weeks at "standard" resorts and exchange them all the time into top-rated 5-star places like Sheraton's Vistana or the Star Island resort in Orlando. This single piece of disinformation not only destroys the author's credibility but is a real disservice to readers.

It's just awful that this thing got (and remains) in print.
 
She also advises to buy in Orlando! :rofl:

Yeah, we have discussed this book in the past.

Spence has attended a conference where the author was a speaker. We need Spence back here. :(
 
I finally ran into it in the library and checked it out for entertainment purposes.

It's really bad. At least she references TUG so people that want to be informed consumers, and not just rely on that drivel, can do so. We can only hope...
 
Didn't she show up here once when she was "researching" her book and got pretty much skewered??? I could be remembering this wrong, but I seem to recall her basically showing up and expecting people to do her work for her instead of studying the boards like we all do to learn? Does anyone else remember this?
 
I think she used to post here some time ago. :shrug:
 
The author has now taken up with The Holiday Group and was the speaker at a web seminar co-hosted with TUG a while ago.

I have been told by a friend who is president of the NY region timeshare owners group that Lisa has softened her position and now embraces resales much more than in her book.

I do agree with you that this book is dis-informational in nature and thus dangerous to newbies..

Perhaps Mr. Tug will comment here. That would be helpful.
 
Didn't she show up here once when she was "researching" her book and got pretty much skewered??? I could be remembering this wrong, but I seem to recall her basically showing up and expecting people to do her work for her instead of studying the boards like we all do to learn? Does anyone else remember this?

You are on-target. Lisa did come here seeking readymade research and I do believe "skewered" is an accurate depiction.

First edition copyright is 2005.
 
....Another example (and I could provide others) is not an innocent mistake: on page 135 she tells readers that if they buy at a "standard" resort they can't ever exchange into a more upscale (five-star, gold crown, etc.) resort. "You can always trade down," she writes, "but you cannot trade up." Say what? That is false and is exactly what salespeople say to get people to overpay for fancy timeshares. I own two weeks at "standard" resorts and exchange them all the time into top-rated 5-star places like Sheraton's Vistana or the Star Island resort in Orlando. This single piece of disinformation not only destroys the author's credibility but is a real disservice to readers....
And, just for the benefit of any new members who show up here, the reality is the exact opposite: It is much easier to trade up in resort quality than to trade down. The timeshare exchange companies don't like to let people trade down in quality because then they get complaints like, "We gave you a palace and you gave us a dump! Find us someplace else, now!" The exchange companies are far less concerned about preventing trade-ups in quality. II does have some restrictions on trading up, but they are pretty mild.
 
yes she was a guest on one of the holiday group webinars...however that had nothing to do with TUG.

I personally have never read the book...maybe ill pick it up next time im at barnes and noble.
 
I Resemble That Remark.

She also advises to buy in Orlando! :rofl:
Shux, I actually bought an Orlando timeshare (resale), then re-resold it a year later after buying a (slightly) newer Orlando timeshare. (What a doofus, eh?)

Then just a couple of years ago, I bought an EEY week at the same Orlando resort where I re-resold my 1st timeshare. (Glutton for punishment, eh?)

The funny part (funny unusual, that is, not funny ha-ha) is that our Orlando timeshares have worked out great. We like'm. We like going there ourselves. We also like being able to rent'm out for enough to cover our fees plus a little something extra, then using the little something extra to snag Last Call & Instant Exchange reservations into other people's timeshares. It's not just exactly the same as free vacationing, but some years it comes close. For sure it's consistent with our timeshare aim of vacationing in luxury accommodations for Motel 6 & Super 8 rates.
We need Spence back here.
Well, the place is not the same without him. Maybe you could get up a reinstatement petition drive or something, I don't know.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

 
...The funny part (funny unusual, that is, not funny ha-ha) is that our Orlando timeshares have worked out great. We like'm. We like going there ourselves. ...
-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

I own an Orlando unit, too (at least if one considers Disney World to be part of Orlando and not its own "magical kingdom.") I don't think there's any problem with suggesting buying Orlando to someone who wants to use a unit there themselves. The problem is suggesting Orlando to people who just want a timeshare for trading.

I go to Orlando lots and usually trade in with one of my (many) other timeshares. I think that trading into Orlando is perhaps the best deal in timesharing. However, there is no question that trading involves extra effort compared to owning where you plan to stay. Whether the savings are worth the extra effort or not will vary from person to person, depending on how much time you are willing to spend on searching for trades (I consider it fun, myself), how "price sensitive" you are (very, in my case), whether you are going peak season or off-peak (I do mostly off-peak), and whether you care about getting a name-brand resort or not (DVC for me!!!.) So, for me, trading is the way to go. But, for someone who wants a holiday week, isn't trying to get the best possible deal, and doesn't like dealing with exchange companies, owning in Orlando might work much better.
 
Hi Judy,

I think that the "no buy Orlando" rule does not apply to Disney and one or two other top properties. Those always are in demand and guarantee a great stay or trade.

It is the more proletarian stuff like my Celebrity Orlando TS (old purchase) that are less worthwhile, especially for the newbie. Even then, it is not terrible from my experiences.
 
Hi Judy,

I think that the "no buy Orlando" rule does not apply to Disney and one or two other top properties. Those always are in demand and guarantee a great stay or trade.

It is the more proletarian stuff like my Celebrity Orlando TS (old purchase) that are less worthwhile, especially for the newbie. Even then, it is not terrible from my experiences.
I agree that the DVC is a special case, which is why I said that Disney is sort of in a "magic kingdom" of its own rather than in Orlando. I also think that some of the Starwood properties are a good deal if you can get SVN rights, or perhaps even just for Starwood preference in II. Probably, some of the other hotel-based resorts offer good opportunities for access to those specific systems. And Alan's resort, Cypress Pointe, offers VRI trade priority in RCI, which can be fairly valuable.

So, although I think most people would do better trading into Orlando than buying there, some of the name-brand systems present exceptions to this rule. I even think a few people are well served by buying non-name brand resorts in Orlando. I love exchanging, but some people really despise dealing with the exchange companies. There's no reason why someone should feel like a sucker because they choose to own in Orlando rather than exchanging in. There are no right or wrong answers on the issue of whether you should exchange or own where you want to stay.

The problem with this book's take on Orlando is that the author seems to be saying it's a good choice for most people, when really, having Orlando as one's best purchase location is the exception, rather than the rule.
 
I would rather buy Disney than any other timeshare, if I could afford it enough to buy about 800 points. :)

She said in her book that Orlando is the place to buy for trading purposes because it is the number one vacation destination. :eek: Crazy!
 
She said in her book that Orlando is the place to buy for trading purposes because it is the number one vacation destination. :eek: Crazy!

It is true that it is the number one trading destination. I am sure there are more trade requested in to Orlando than anywhere else in the world, even Hawaii. Though the supply might outweigh the demand.
 
Just to underscore how ridiculous the book author's statement is about standard resorts not being able to exchange into higher-rated resorts, I just did a quick search for an Orlando vacation on RCI Weeks using my inexpensive South African red week at Lowveld Lodge (a standard resort). My interval there is a two-bedroom for which I paid CDN $1,000 (back when that was something like US $600). As an aside, my annual levy works out to something like $250, plus I have to pay an exchange fee when I make a trade.

I arbitrarily chose December of this year to search on. My little standard resort pulled 32 exchanges (mostly two-bedroom units) in Orlando, including many 4- and 5-star resorts. All the high-end resorts are there, including Sheraton's Vistana, Hilton Grand Vacation Club (and also their Sea World resort), Orange Lake Country Club, Silver lake, and also Summer Bay, etc.

Hmm. So what would you prefer to do? Option A: Pay $10,000 to $20,000 retail for a week at a two-bedroom condo in a 5-star or Gold Crown resort in Orlando (and I have attended presentations where they asked for $28,000), with annual maintenance fees of $600 to $900, that exchanges only so-so for other destinations. Or, Option B: Pay $1,000 (or less) for a resale timeshare at a standard resort in a high-demand area, with annual fees of only a couple of hundred dollars, and exchange each year into those very same Orlando resorts?

What a freakin' joke!
 
I arbitrarily chose December of this year to search on. My little standard resort pulled 32 exchanges (mostly two-bedroom units) in Orlando, including many 4- and 5-star resorts. All the high-end resorts are there, including Sheraton's Vistana, Hilton Grand Vacation Club (and also their Sea World resort), Orange Lake Country Club, Silver lake, and also Summer Bay, etc.

The early part of December is dead season and lots of inventory is to be expected nearly anywhere. Did you pull anything close to Christmas?

What happens when you try for an "arbitrary" July?
 
The early part of December is dead season and lots of inventory is to be expected nearly anywhere. Did you pull anything close to Christmas?

What happens when you try for an "arbitrary" July?

Naturally, I get less selection with high season like that. I didn't see a Christmas week in my search. Using my SA exchanger, if I wanted high season in Orlando I'd have to make more effort and do things like online searches.

However, if I wanted high season in Orlando and didn't see what I wanted, I'd probably use my inexpensive leased points. I lease 100,000 points for an annual fee of $750, and I notice I can get some selection for July in Orlando in the 30,000 to 60,000 point range (about $300 to $400 for me).

Here is what I found this morning:

Using a "weeks" search in Orlando in July (2 bedrooms) -- interestingly the second option is a 3-bedroom unit (so much for the idea that a 2-bedroom unit can never get you a 3-bedroom unit!):

Geo Group at Imperialakes (#2094)

Villas at Fortune Place (#3654)


Then I searched using "points" to exchange into "weeks" resorts:

Magic Tree Resort (#8461)
Kissimmee, FL, USA

RCI Points Range: 38,000
Available Unit Size: 2 - 2
Check-in Date Range: 7/15/08


Perennial Vacation Club at ImperiaLakes (#2218)
Mulberry, FL, USA

RCI Points Range: 45,500
Available Unit Size: 2 - 2
Check-in Date Range: 7/5/08 - 7/19/08


Bryan's Spanish Cove (#1613)
Orlando, FL, USA

Orlando Breeze (#A432)
Davenport, FL, USA

RCI Points Range: 53,500
Available Unit Size: 3 - 3
Check-in Date Range: 8/2/08

High Point World Resort (#2066)
Kissimmee, FL, USA

RCI Points Range: 45,500
Available Unit Size: 2 - 2
Check-in Date Range: 8/2/08 - 8/3/08

Orbit One Vacation Villas (#5109)
Kissimmee, FL, USA

RCI Points Range: 45,500
Available Unit Size: 2 - 2
Check-in Date Range: 7/6/08 - 8/3/08

Harder Hall Lakeside Villas (#0742)
Sebring, FL, USA

RCI Points Range: 45,500
Available Unit Size: 2 - 2
Check-in Date Range: 7/12/08

Grand Beach I (#3664)
Orlando, FL, USA

RCI Points Range: 61,500
Available Unit Size: 3 - 3
Check-in Date Range: 7/4/08

Linkside Villas at Sun 'n Lake Estate (#0545)
Sebring, FL, USA

RCI Points Range: 45,500
Available Unit Size: 2 - 2
Check-in Date Range: 7/5/08 - 8/2/08

Taranova-Imperialakes (#3003)
Mulberry, FL, USA

RCI Points Range: 38,000
Available Unit Size: 2 - 2
Check-in Date Range: 7/5/08 - 7/26/08
 
Not Exactly Orlando.

Taranova-Imperialakes (#3003)
Mulberry, FL, USA

RCI Points Range: 38,000
Available Unit Size: 2 - 2
Check-in Date Range: 7/5/08 - 7/26/08
We stayed there 1 time -- exchanged in using as trade bait our faraway overseas 2BR standard grade timeshare. (African boondox for Florida boondox -- a like for like trade if there ever was 1.)

By boondox, I just mean that TaraNova ImperiaLakes is some 19 miles south of Lakeland FL & not all that far from a bunch of those famous Florida phosphate strip mines. The timeshare unit is a 2BR semi-detached house with its own carport. A mirror-image separate 2BR unit completes the duplex. There are several like that in the neighborhood, comprising 3 separately managed timeshare entities even though the buildings are architecturally all the same. Details about that & about our week there are in the TUG Resort Reviews section.

We had a nice time while we were there, but (I found out later) The Chief Of Staff didn't like it as well as I did -- meaning we're not apt to go back any time soon. (Old as we are, if it's not any time soon then as a practical matter that means not ever. So it goes.)

Shux, I thought the boondox of Mulberry FL would be an ideal starting point for some of the non-Orlando places in Florida that we enjoy going to -- Zephyrhills, Dade City, Thonotosassa, Lakeland, Tampa, Pinellas Park, Clearwater, etc. Live & learn, eh?

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​


 
yes she was a guest on one of the holiday group webinars...however that had nothing to do with TUG.

I personally have never read the book...maybe ill pick it up next time im at barnes and noble.

Don't spend money on it, get it out of the library.
 
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