Marriott 2021 MF's Discussion Thread

[BJRSanDiego]

I'm wondering if anyone has received the bill for the MF for Shadow Ridge Enclaves (or Villages). I've gone on-line and only see my DSV1 and DSV2 but not my Shadow Ridge.

 

[aka Julie]

I'm wondering if anyone has received the bill for the MF for Shadow Ridge Enclaves (or Villages). I've gone on-line and only see my DSV1 and DSV2 but not my Shadow Ridge.

Nope. I own there and Barony and neither have posted. Very frustrating when other properties have been out for weeks.

 

[NboroGirl]

For my Grande Vista weeks, I find it interesting that the property tax on my Platinum 2BR went DOWN a few cents, (essentially 0%) but it went UP 17% on the Platinum 3BR.

2 Bedroom Grande Vista:
2020 Florida Club Fee $4.00
2021 Florida Club Fee $4.00
2020 Property Tax Fee $163.60
2021 Property Tax Fee $162.68
2020 Replacement Reserve $358.02
2021 Replacement Reserve $358.02
2020 Operating Fee $960.68
2021 Operating Fee $952.09
2020 Total $1486.30
2021 Total $1476.78

3 Bedroom Grande Vista:
2020 Florida Club Fee $4.00
2021 Florida Club Fee $4.00
2020 Property Tax Fee $186.18
2021 Property Tax Fee $218.04
2020 Replacement Reserve $472.38
2021 Replacement Reserve $472.38
2020 Operating Fee $1267.55
2021 Operating Fee $1256.20
2020 Total $1930.11
2021 Total $1950.62

 

[vmpt]

Anyone receive MF bill for Barony?

 

[aka Julie]

Anyone receive MF bill for Barony?

Nope. Still waiting. So frustrating.

 

[jont]

Anyone know when Canyon Villas plans on releasing this years MF's ? I haven't see it yet. Maybe they will be free this year? hahahahahaha

 

[dioxide45]

I have never seen people more excited to receive their MF bill

 

[bazzap]

I have never seen people more excited to receive their MF bill

Yes, the later these arrive for me the better - January / February would be good

 

[jont]

I have never seen people more excited to receive their MF bill

not gonna pay it yet, just want to know the damage. CV is the only one of mine not completed.

 

[Superchief]

I've only received the Trust and Mountainside MF's so far, and am waiting for Ocean Pointe, Oceana Palms, Royal Palms, Canyon Villas, and Newport Coast. I'll be very disappointed and angry if any of them increase.

 

[Mlvnsmly]

I've only received the Trust and Mountainside MF's so far, and am waiting for Ocean Pointe, Oceana Palms, Royal Palms, Canyon Villas, and Newport Coast. I'll be very disappointed and angry if any of them increase.

Oceana Palms went up $17. I didn't get the statement yet to post it.

 

[SueDonJ]

As you can tell I'm doing some clean-up in the 2021 MF's sticky thread, have moved several discussion posts to this. I'm not all the way through yet, don't know if any of the missing MF's questioned here have been since posted in the sticky thread, but you can try checking your owner accounts to see if anything's posted there.

Sign in, click on "Maintenance Fee/Club Dues" under "Managing Your Ownership" in the column on the right, then "View e-Billing Invoices & Inserts" on the right below the picture on top. Click "View Statement" links for the invoices and "View Insert" links for the Operating Budget itemizations. I found mine there today.

 

[SueDonJ]

@BluesWin! included this comment in the Harbour Club MF's post in the sticky thread, moving it here for discussion:

"The biggest issue I have with the 2021 fees is that in 2020, the Replacement Reserve was increased from $424 to $655 with the explanation that they would incur an unexpected cost to replace the emergency fire suppression system of approximately $443,000. This project was completed in 2020 and the Replacement Reserve was only decreased by $20 from $655 to $635.

In my view, this is excessive without additional explanation as to why the reserve was maintained at such a high level."

 

[SueDonJ]

Okay, now I'm caught up.

Please consider helping out your fellow TUGgers by taking a look at the thread compilation in the first post in the sticky thread, and posting your resorts' MF's if they're not already posted. Thanks!

 

[Foggy1]

As you can tell I'm doing some clean-up in the 2021 MF's sticky thread, have moved several discussion posts to this. I'm not all the way through yet, don't know if any of the missing MF's questioned here have been since posted in the sticky thread, but you can try checking your owner accounts to see if anything's posted there.

Sign in, click on "Maintenance Fee/Club Dues" under "Managing Your Ownership" in the column on the right, then "View e-Billing Invoices & Inserts" on the right below the picture on top. Click "View Statement" links for the invoices and "View Insert" links for the Operating Budget itemizations. I found mine there today.

Using the same procedure, mine for Shadow Ridge were posted on 12/3 and were the same as last year.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Looks like Marriott's Willow Ridge 2 bedrooms are $1,299.67 this year.

 

[dougp26364]

@BluesWin! included this comment in the Harbour Club MF's post in the sticky thread, moving it here for discussion:

"The biggest issue I have with the 2021 fees is that in 2020, the Replacement Reserve was increased from $424 to $655 with the explanation that they would incur an unexpected cost to replace the emergency fire suppression system of approximately $443,000. This project was completed in 2020 and the Replacement Reserve was only decreased by $20 from $655 to $635.

In my view, this is excessive without additional explanation as to why the reserve was maintained at such a high level."

I noticed over the years that MVC keeps excessively high cash reserve fees but, they also replaced virtually everything in their units in a 10 year rotation, keeping them fresh looking and well maintained. The rub is they seem to have a cozy relationship with their suppliers and pay top dollar for everything where the economy of scale should force prices down. However, I’m not privy to the deals and actual/true costs, so my observation may be way off.

The one thing I don’t like about MVC is the expenditures for the expansion of amenities, seemingly without owner input. For instance, those stupid huge TV’s at the pool. I go on vacation to relax, not watch the news channel by the pool. While in Vegas a couple of years ago they had FOX news on the big screen TV. I don’t care to be watching FOX, CNN, MSNBC or any other news outlet where the reporters do more yelling than reporting. It’s not relaxing. There’s also a lot of worthless art objects at Ocean Pointe, which might not be terribly expensive to maintain, but bring little enjoyment to the experience vs the cost of the pieces. any cost IMHO was more than I’d pay for those pieces, plus their placement is questionable for any beautification of the grounds. However, this is all in the eye of the beholder, but it appears as if MVC looks at owners as a cash cow to do what MVC wants to do VS what owners want done with their resort. After all, in the end owners have purchased the resort o e week at a time from MVC, as the management company they should work for us within limits necessary to maintain the Marriott name.

 

[bazzap]

I noticed over the years that MVC keeps excessively high cash reserve fees but, they also replaced virtually everything in their units in a 10 year rotation, keeping them fresh looking and well maintained. The rub is they seem to have a cozy relationship with their suppliers and pay top dollar for everything where the economy of scale should force prices down. However, I’m not privy to the deals and actual/true costs, so my observation may be way off.

The one thing I don’t like about MVC is the expenditures for the expansion of amenities, seemingly without owner input. For instance, those stupid huge TV’s at the pool. I go on vacation to relax, not watch the news channel by the pool. While in Vegas a couple of years ago they had FOX news on the big screen TV. I don’t care to be watching FOX, CNN, MSNBC or any other news outlet where the reporters do more yelling than reporting. It’s not relaxing. There’s also a lot of worthless art objects at Ocean Pointe, which might not be terribly expensive to maintain, but bring little enjoyment to the experience vs the cost of the pieces. any cost IMHO was more than I’d pay for those pieces, plus their placement is questionable for any beautification of the grounds. However, this is all in the eye of the beholder, but it appears as if MVC looks at owners as a cash cow to do what MVC wants to do VS what owners want done with their resort. After all, in the end owners have purchased the resort o e week at a time from MVC, as the management company they should work for us within limits necessary to maintain the Marriott name.

Reserve funding levels seem to vary considerably by resort.
At one of our home MVC resorts the Reserve has been underfunded, seemingly for many years.
As a result, a Special Assessment is needed for the next 4/5 years!

 

[dougp26364]

Reserve funding levels seem to vary considerably by resort.
At one of our home MVC resorts the Reserve has been underfunded, seemingly for many years.
As a result, a Special Assessment is needed for the next 4/5 years!

What I’m looking at is the relative quality of MVC resorts in comparison to the other resorts I own plus those resorts refurbishment practices.

for instance, Willow Ridge in Branson has a MF north of $1,200 for a 2 bedroom. This is most likely the highest fee for this area. By comparison our French Quarter resort in Branson has a MF in the $700 range for the 2 bedroom unit. Marriott is by far the superior resort.

on the other hand a comparison of the resort we own in Breckenridge is comparable quality to the Marriott offering, and in many ways superior, with lower reserve funding. Same with the HGVC ownership in Vegas as compared to Grand Chateau, which we also own.

Don’t get me wrong, I pay the fees because I love the Marriott quality and I don’t complain a lot about them, but I do see areas of spending where I question the value to the majority of owners and feel that owners should have more say in what additional amenities are added.

 

[bazzap]

What I’m looking at is the relative quality of MVC resorts in comparison to the other resorts I own plus those resorts refurbishment practices.

for instance, Willow Ridge in Branson has a MF north of $1,200 for a 2 bedroom. This is most likely the highest fee for this area. By comparison our French Quarter resort in Branson has a MF in the $700 range for the 2 bedroom unit. Marriott is by far the superior resort.

on the other hand a comparison of the resort we own in Breckenridge is comparable quality to the Marriott offering, and in many ways superior, with lower reserve funding. Same with the HGVC ownership in Vegas as compared to Grand Chateau, which we also own.

Don’t get me wrong, I pay the fees because I love the Marriott quality and I don’t complain a lot about them, but I do see areas of spending where I question the value to the majority of owners and feel that owners should have more say in what additional amenities are added.

I too would not want to see expensive giants screens installed poolside and I agree that owners should have more say on what additional amenities are added.
As well as any individual owner input, this is / should be one of the key roles of the Owner Board.
Any decisions are unlikely to please all owners, but one would hope that they should meet the needs of most.

 

[dioxide45]

I agree that the number of pet projects at some resorts has gotten out of hand. I actually made a video about this when we were at Grande Vista earlier this year. Marriott management convinced the board they needed a "media wall". Yes that giant big screen. They also asked and got a towel folding machine. Great for efficiency, but when I challenged the BOD at the annual budget meeting if this would save labor costs, the answer was no. They just reallocate the employees to "other things". A HUGE expense was spent on tiling all the exterior hallways when I suspect there were much more affordable options that were just as durable.

 

[KProuty]

Every year I get the vote for the board letter at Grand Vista. I never know who to vote for. They should include some answers to basic questions in addition to their background.