Legal Consulting, Inc. (Brookfield, WI "presentations")

[Timeshare Von]

On Wednesday & Thursday of this week (7/26/23 & 7/27/23) this company was in the Milwaukee area with a presentation covering topics such as:
* Permanently & legally eliminate all your timeshare obligations
* The bona fide ways to get out of timeshare contract when it no longer suits your needs
* Receive maintenance fee reimbursement for unused weeks/points during the pandemic

I have more to share, but want to post here ASAP this morning as I'm heading out for the morning and anticipate some of my fellow "class" attendees coming over here on TUG to seek real and valuable "peer to peer" information . . . rather than the pile of hooey we heard at last night's session that David & I attended.

While they had the TUG logo on a couple of their slides, at one point the presenter Suzanne told the group that TUG had recently been purchased by Interval International, and implied it (TUG) would no longer have timeshare owners interests at heart, but rather they'd be working for the developers. We were in the back of the group area, and couldn't really hear everything being said, so I raised my hand and asked her to repeat the comment. My response . . . . "That is just not true." She quipped that it was the information provided to them, and tried to move on. I reiterated, well it's not right.

The other glaring untruth they told . . . our one-on-one "counselor" told David & I that there were no legitimate deed back programs offered by developers, and specifically Wyndham . . . which we had told him was the only remaining timeshare in our once large portfolio. I wasn't going to argue with him, but another representative felt it necessary to butt into our conversation from the table next to us to interject her two cents worth.

It was pathetic and once again proving that there are companies and people out there who will try to continue making money off of people who may have made a bad decision to buy timeshare in the first place, or worse . . . "upgrade" their ownership for even more money.

I hope the people who sought me out last night after the presentation will join TUG and become part of our community. I gave them all my personal contact info and offered my personal insights, after over 40 years of timeshare ownership.

 

[The Colorado Kid]

@TUGBrian I hope the Interval TUG buyout was lucrative!

 

[dioxide45]

This is the same outfit that we sat down with at a dinner in a local Red Lobster. They seem to pitch the same Florida statute that is completely bogus. I did reply to another thread about this a while back.

 

[TUGBrian]

@TUGBrian I hope the Interval TUG buyout was lucrative!

totally! they asked me to send them a few hundred dollars upfront to complete the sale! im just waiting on my check!

 

[TUGBrian]

kudos for trying to out the scammers, it takes a special sort of person to flat out lie to random strangers for a living!

 

[Timeshare Von]

kudos for trying to out the scammers, it takes a special sort of person to flat out lie to random strangers for a living!

That Suzanne lady even worked into her initial introduction that she was an Air Force veteran . . . and thanked those who also served for their service. {{COUGH COUGH}}

The best was when she asked folks to please be honest with the counselors and that if you've stopped paying your loan or maintenance fees, to let them know truthfully where you were at with your ownership. Pretty rich, especially once their lies started flowing.

 

[Timeshare Von]

My personal FB post last night, which I shared on their Facebook page promoting their meeting the night before here in Milwaukee. Imagine they didn't like it much as it was deleted within 30 minutes, and I was unceremoniously blocked from their page. (Legal Consulting Inc is their Facebook page name . . . assuming it is still active.)

 

[Timeshare Von]

The also made a lot of comments about how "impossible" it is to get out of a timeshare on your own . . . but when they asked for people to raise their hands (before I outed their lie about TUG) . . . they asked if anyone had tried to sell or otherwise dispose of a timeshare. I was the only hand that went up and they asked me what and how I did it. I talked about buying resale or just being given a timeshare without paying a dime for it . . . and that sometimes I just deeded it back to the POA (done that twice) or sold it (done that here on TUG) . . . or in the case of my very first timeshare, it was a 20 year right-to-use, so I just walked away from it after my 20 years was up (in 2001). That was also the only timeshare we've owned that was bought from the developer (in the early 1980s).

Sadly I'm pretty sure most attending last night's session had bought from the developer, maybe even upgraded and bought more subsequently, and are getting priced out with escalating MFs and SAs.

Their big hook to get people to sign contracts with them (after telling us at the beginning they weren't trying to sell us anything) . . . was that as a timeshare owner after 2015, we could be held liable for MFs for decades. Their "math" on our dinky 77k points with Wyndham worked out to $45-$60k, but that he thought he could help us out of it for something around $17k. He went off to find someone to discuss it with, but when he left, that's when other couples started coming to our table to chat with us. The "counselor" never did come back and I had to stop someone to ask "Hey when are we going to get our $50 so we can leave?" The compliance guy (Edward) said he could take care of us . . . handed me the $50 bill and then said he just had one question for us . . . "Did anyone represent that they were an attorney?"

"Nope, but since you seem to be interested in how things went . . . " and I proceeded to tell him I was 100% certain TUG was not bought by II . . . and that I was 90-95% sure that Wyndham did have a program to deed back contracts to them. That was when the first counselor (a pushy bitchy lady) chirped in from the table next to use, with her advice to "be sure you get it in writing because they won't do it." LOL Yeah . . . OK!!!

Anyway . . . that's about all I have to report in terms of the highlights of their sales pitch.

But beyond that I should mention that we were there for a 6pm session. They didn't start taking people back until after 6:15pm because they were still "writing contracts with some of their 3pm guests" and that once they did start seating us, one guy in our 6pm group got a little defiant with them, stood up in the middle of the restaurant and shouted to anyone who would listen to beware of these shady people who were misrepresenting their purpose and interests. It got very loud, and we actually thought it might comes to blows. The loud guy was escorted out of the restaurant while people settled in to place their dinner orders.

 

[RX8]

@Timeshare Von If you still have the flyer @STLBBB may be interested in getting a copy of it.

 

[WBP]

How about notifying the Attorney General's Office and Consumer Affairs offices in the state(s) where these frauds conducted their meetings?

 

[STLBBB]

@Timeshare Von If you still have the flyer @STLBBB may be interested in getting a copy of it.

I would be interested in seeing it! @TUGBrian already shared with me a piece of literature that had the BBB Accredited Business seal on it. But if you have the original mailer you received, I'd be happy to get it into our files.

 

[Timeshare Von]

I would be interested in seeing it! @TUGBrian already shared with me a piece of literature that had the BBB Accredited Business seal on it. But if you have the original mailer you received, I'd be happy to get it into our files.

I will photograph it and send to you via PM here on TUG.

 

[Timeshare Von]

For others who may be interested, here's the post card mailer we received soliciting our attendance.

 

[TUGBrian]

oh hey look... 2 years later still scamming people and still A+ rated with the bbb!

Draper woman says timeshare exit company left her out $9K and still stuck in her timeshare

A Draper woman says a timeshare exit company she paid more than $9,000 to help her get out of an inherited timeshare did not live up to its promise.

ksltv.com

 

[LannyPC]

still A+ rated with the bbb!

Actually, if you click on a link in the article, it shows that this company is not BBB-accredited. The company might claim that it is but the BBB website says it isn't.

https://www.bbb.org/us/ky/warsaw/pr...consulting-inc-0292-90019667/addressId/188541

On another note, why would someone pay $9000 to supposedly "cancel" a contract? That for much less than $9000, an owner could just entice another person to take over ownership. or, he could offer the resort's Homeowners' Association a fraction of that money to take the TS back.

 

[TUGBrian]

wonder if its accredited at another BBB since they are all completely separate.

 

[TUGBrian]

website still has a giant A+ BBB rating emblazoned on it on the homepage!

 

[LannyPC]

I wonder if the exit company, LCI, was running the unwitting foreclosure scheme hoping that the owner, Shirley England, would stop paying MFs and let the TS go into foreclosure then claim a "success" that LCI got the owner out of her ownership.

The article never mentions anything about the owner being in contact with the resort although she said that she's "been attempting to....give it back or whatever." What attempts has she done to give it back? Has the resort been sending her MF bills for the last two years? Any phone calls from the resort asking her why she hasn't paid?

I'm guessing that LCI did not think that the resort would let this go on for nearly two years but just foreclose on the TS before then.

 

[TUGBrian]

of course they would, as they all do that.

in fact its so common for resorts now to drag it out many of these firms have discovered they make even more money by offering a monthly fee for their "exit plan"!

plus it is easier for many to swallow than paying 5000 upfront! 400/mo for 18 months is even more money but noone would ever imagine it would take that long!

 

[RX8]

The system is broken.

The scammers know this which is why they create timeshare exit companies. There is more risk in attempting to steal a $40 pair of shoes from Target then there is to lie and steal thousands upon thousands of dollars from timeshare owners. There is no doubt that Legal Consulting uses lies and scare tactics to empty the pockets of timeshare owners. Here we are two years later and they keep doing the same thing. Still a bogus A+ BBB logo on their webpage, still spewing outrageous blatant lies, still stealing from timeshare owners. No one seems to care and it is frustrating.

The owner of Legal Consulting was Hugh Joseph O’Hara. He appears to have passed away in December 2023. Someone has taken the reins of lying and cheating the timeshare owners. I am not sure who that may be. Before his passing, O’Hara self published many articles touting Legal Consulting as a leading company in the industry helping thousands of people. One would think his obituary would mention the company he appeared to be so proud of but it does not, only stating “ he successfully navigated the business world.” I guess one could argue that he did just what that simple statement says. He found an industry that could be manipulated, created a company that was able to use lies that convinced timeshare owners to give them thousands of dollars, and that had little to no risk in doing all that.