KORN owners - potential luau 2x week on lawn

[canesfan]

Did anyone go to the GM meeting last Wednesday, Feb. 28th? We regret not going after hearing about it.

It sounds as though they are considering doing a luau two times a week for 100-150 at the North property. They are hoping to expand it to 200-250. It is going to be used as a sales tactic

Does anyone have more details? Where on North? How are they handling parking? Where are the profits going since they are affecting our use of facilities? Etc.

This is definitely happening as we have spoken to staff and they are aware of the plans but are tight lipped about details.

I’ve started a petition. Spread the word to anyone KORN owners you speak to, especially those onsite that aren’t active online.

This campaign needs you now

Stop the Proposed Luau on the Oceanside Lawn Near Pailolo Bar and Restaurant

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[Ken555]

You may gain more viewers if your subject for this thread was more on topic.

 

[Moparman42]

Maybe I don't understand, but would that be so bad? owners staying could get a free show from their balcony, the money made should cover the expenses for the luau plus possibly put some back into the resort.. and what use of facilities are really being affected since it would be in the evening around dinner time? I am not for or against, just curious.

 

[canesfan]

Maybe I don't understand, but would that be so bad? owners staying could get a free show from their balcony, the money made should cover the expenses for the luau plus possibly put some back into the resort.. and what use of facilities are really being affected since it would be in the evening around dinner time? I am not for or against, just curious.

Hot tub, Firepit and Pailolo will be affected.
Parking is already bad here, can’t imagine what it will be like. Bathroom facilities?

Set up will happen hours before the luau. It will definitely affect use of facilities.

It may seem like a free show but it will be twice a week with non villa residents attending.


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[canesfan]

And where the money will go is not determined yet. But currently all profits from the restaurants go back to corporate not to help on owner association with expenses.


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[Moparman42]

what if they held it where Pulehu used to be? Of course I keep hearing that will be replaced soon with something new. I get it. more information from them would probably help.

 

[EnglishmanAbroad]

I love a luau but not sure I'd be too keen if I'd bought OF and had one as my view twice a week. Also logistics concerns as mentioned around timing (most start around 5:30-6:00 from my experience) bathrooms, parking. Where would the food be prepped, if in the Pulehu kitchens then it would have to be 'carted' the length of the resort. Maybe the food truck can up its output

Probably not the vibe they are looking for but they would have been better to open something like a Mod Pizza where Pulehu is rather than letting it sit dormant this past decade,

 

[rickandcindy23]

This reminds me of the old luau on the grounds in front of the Marriott hotel, now known as Marriott's Maui Ocean Club.

Hyatt Regency does a luau on their grounds, and it was just okay. We went three years ago.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Hilton Hawaiian Village on Waikiki does this. Half the hotel is blasted with luau music several times a week. Great the first time. Very annoying after that.

The tables are set all the time. WKORVN already has limited pool chair issues. This will exacerbate this issue making less space for chairs.

This is horribly bad idea.

 

[vacationtime1]

It won't be good for the lawn, either.

 

[mjm1]

Marriott Ko Olina has a luau once per week and that seems to work out well. My guess is that mostly owners and guests attend, but I’m sure they get some people from Aulani and the Four Seasons as well. I believe twice per week would be too much.

 

[Denise L]

I heard from a bell staff person that Pulehu may have a new Italian restaurant in the works.

 

[LahainaMoon]

The old Pulehu site will reopen very soon with a Lahaina restaurant that was lost in the fires. The name of the restaurant is out there, but I won't repeat it until I see it. Yes, it is Italian.

Management has already stated that NONE of the profits, if any, would go to reducing maintenance fees. There has been a raging thread about this on Facebook for a week or so. Over 90% opposition to the plan. This opposition is coming from owners, like me. I think this is a terrible idea for many, many reasons, some of which have been stated above. A luau is not why we bought here at our quiet property, a home away from home. There are already FIVE luaus nearby: the soon-to-reopen Old Lahaina Luau, Hyatt, Marriott, Sheraton, and Myths of Lahaina at Royal Lahaina (which is walking distance from KOR.

One serious objection is that management has been proceeding with planning with NO input from owners.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Since they are using HOA grounds and resources isn't this a violation of the resort agreement with owners?

 

[LahainaMoon]

Becky, I have signed your petition. Let's hope it gets management attention.

 

[vacationtime1]

Since they are using HOA grounds and resources isn't this a violation of the resort agreement with owners?

It would be a violation of the HOA board members' fiduciary duties if they permit the HOA to be uncompensated but allow profits to go to others (and I wonder who would be getting the profits under the proposal).

 

[dioxide45]

It would be a violation of the HOA board members' fiduciary duties if they permit the HOA to be uncompensated but allow profits to go to others (and I wonder who would be getting the profits under the proposal).

How is that? Currently all food and beverage operation is run by Marriott Vacations and all profits go to Marriott Vacations. They don't pay rent. I suspect the new Luau would operate similar to the Fia Fia Luau at Marriott's Ko'Olina. A separate vendor/operator comes in to run the show. They make the bulk of the revenue and perhaps a set dollar amount goes to Marriott Vacations. Perhaps there will be a set amount to cover HOA common space rental. I suspect any amount won't make a dent in a budget as large as this resort.

 

[dioxide45]

The best way to vote for something like this is with your feet. Don't sign up for it. Don't pay for it. Don't accept it as a gift for attending a presentation. That said, I bet a lot of owners will go to it.

 

[sjlola]

what if they held it where Pulehu used to be? Of course I keep hearing that will be replaced soon with something new. I get it. more information from them would probably help.

From what we heard from the GM at the Owners' Forum in January, the proposed luau would be held on the ocean lawn by Pailolo, not the former Pulehu. The resort is in the process of bringing in a new restaurant at that location around June/July. It's planned to be a local husband/wife who lost a restaurant in Lahaina Town.

 

[sjlola]

I heard from a bell staff person that Pulehu may have a new Italian restaurant in the works.

Yes; see my reply to Moparman42. There is something afoot.

 

[iowaguy09]

It would be awesome if it was Sale Pepe! We went there for the first time last February 2023 and it was fantastic! Been hoping they will come back somewhere after being burned down in the Lahaina Fire.

 

[Ken555]

I was told in December there would be a new restaurant soon. It’s already March and we don’t have the details. It’s so disappointing they have allowed that space to be empty for YEARS. Enough with the rumors, it’s time for them to make an announcement.

As for the luau, I can’t imagine a worst noise impact for those units near it, nor the additional impact of more people in that area during the early evening hours. I enjoy relaxing in the spa at that time of day, and the last thing I would want is 200 new friends just feet away. Unless this is done on a small scale with minimal impact, it’s going to adversely change the ability to relax and enjoy the resort as we have done since it was built.


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[canesfan]

Does anyone have an updated list of the board of directors with contact information?


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[sjlola]

Does anyone have an updated list of the board of directors with contact information?


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I could only find 2021-2022 on the Vistana website: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://content.vistana.com/files/live/sites/vistana-digital-content-manager/files/documents/other-hoa-documents/KORNOGGWN/2582/board-of-directors/KORN_BoardList_AO-VOA_2021-2022.pdf. There's a general email: ownerboard.westinkaanapali@vacationclub.com.

 

[vacationtime1]

How is that? Currently all food and beverage operation is run by Marriott Vacations and all profits go to Marriott Vacations. They don't pay rent. I suspect the new Luau would operate similar to the Fia Fia Luau at Marriott's Ko'Olina. A separate vendor/operator comes in to run the show. They make the bulk of the revenue and perhaps a set dollar amount goes to Marriott Vacations. Perhaps there will be a set amount to cover HOA common space rental. I suspect any amount won't make a dent in a budget as large as this resort.

Marriott may have lease rights to existing food and beverage facilities, but even the Marriott-friendly leases don't cover what is being proposed. Otherwise, they would not need HOA approval at this point. It is inevitable that the HOA and its owners will suffer detriment through the proposed use of common space -- wear and tear on the common space (lawn), noise, inconvenience, parking issues, etc. But Post #13 says that the HOA will not profit by this proposal.

We know that the HOA board members are Marriott appointees. Nevertheless, their fiduciary duties are to the HOA (i.e. the owners), not to Marriott (their employer).

An acceptance of a "no-compensation for any detriment" proposal is a breach of their fiduciary duties.

Note: a restaurant lease in a tourist area typically sets rent as a percentage of gross income (with a guarantee), usually in the 25-35% range. If luau admission were $200/person (probably low; I don't do luaus), 500 guests/week ( 250 people x 2 luaus/week) would create a $5M/year income stream. If rents were 30% of that gross income (the mid-point in the 25-35% range) the HOA could have a $1.5M income stream, or approx $120/owner/year. Marriott is trying to take that.