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Its official...im blacklisted

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Im at Wyndham's Indio resort this week. (or Worldmarks Indio resort, if that makes you feel better) But Im staying here with my Wyndham points

This morning I was to have my "owner update" with one of the Wyndham reps (there are also Worldmark reps here) I waited for a while and was finally greeted by the sales manager. He offered to answer my questions, but I got no breakfast and no gift

So my first question was...have I been black-listed. His answer was "yes... we call you a mega-renter".

I thanked him for his honesty and then asked about the pathways program. I told him I was looking for an exit strategy. He was completely honest with me...Pathways will not work with anything bought on the resale market and offers no guarantee for the retail buyer.
 
Congratulations.
Quite an achievement. :clap:
 
Now you can vacation without being bothered. OR, you can just tell them they invited you, you changed your plans to go, and so you expect a gift.

At Bali Hai, they will give us a gift, if we show up. We cannot tour, but we get the gift. I don't want to go, but the discount card really does give discounts on activities.

We are blacklisted, a long time now. I am so proud! :D
 
What is a mega-renter

ronparise said:
Im at Wyndham's Indio resort this week. (or Worldmarks Indio resort, if that makes you feel better) But Im staying here with my Wyndham points

This morning I was to have my "owner update" with one of the Wyndham reps (there are also Worldmark reps here) I waited for a while and was finally greeted by the sales manager. He offered to answer my questions, but I got no breakfast and no gift

So my first question was...have I been black-listed. His answer was "yes... we call you a mega-renter".

I thanked him for his honesty and then asked about the pathways program. I told him I was looking for an exit strategy. He was completely honest with me...Pathways will not work with anything bought on the resale market and offers no guarantee for the retail buyer.
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Why did they call you a mega-renter? What were they referring to?
 
Congrats :whoopie::whoopie:
 
ronparise said:
So my first question was...have I been black-listed. His answer was "yes... we call you a mega-renter".
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Ron, congrats -- great work! :clap:

Best,

Greg
 
That's too bad Ron, I know you like going to the presentations to get the latest info.

It looks like now they will at least give you honest answers to your questions but it's too bad you can't get the freebies.

It's a little scary knowing I've been doing business with a "mega renter." It sounds kind of sinister.

I wonder if I'll be banned from an update next summer because I rented from you?
 
csxjohn said:
That's too bad Ron, I know you like going to the presentations to get the latest info.

It looks like now they will at least give you honest answers to your questions but it's too bad you can't get the freebies.

It's a little scary knowing I've been doing business with a "mega renter." It sounds kind of sinister.

I wonder if I'll be banned from an update next summer because I rented from you?
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Probably not, they tend to like trying to sell to the guests of what they perceive to be their competitors.
 
ronparise said:
Im at Wyndham's Indio resort this week. (or Worldmarks Indio resort, if that makes you feel better) But Im staying here with my Wyndham points

This morning I was to have my "owner update" with one of the Wyndham reps (there are also Worldmark reps here) I waited for a while and was finally greeted by the sales manager. He offered to answer my questions, but I got no breakfast and no gift

So my first question was...have I been black-listed. His answer was "yes... we call you a mega-renter".

I thanked him for his honesty and then asked about the pathways program. I told him I was looking for an exit strategy. He was completely honest with me...Pathways will not work with anything bought on the resale market and offers no guarantee for the retail buyer.
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It is my understanding that some total costs of the Owner Update program are paid directly by the trust and/or the resorts. It is to bad that some owners apparently do not get the benifits of being an owner while others do. Maybe there is a sharp attorney out there somewhere that would take a look at this issue. Preferably a mega rentor one.

By the way, now we know Wyndham does give out the mega rentor title to some owners. It would be nice if the criteria would be made public. Any current or former sales reps or other staff out there that would like to share?

I got the title for owning 1 million plus a tab points. I do not think it is just based on number of points.
 
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bnoble said:
No chance. Sales, all the way.
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Depends on who you believe. Multiple resorts, multiple people have indicated that Wyndham Management personnel work with the sales staff to help sales get people into the tours and at one resort the VIP newspapers are diverted to the sales staff as a perk.

Just as a side point, who among us has not been referred to the parking pass people by the check-in desk to get the sign-up for a tour pitch in order to get their parking pass.

I am not sure (bad joke), but I believe firms using paid staff to get customers to the sales staff is not a particularly new concept and yes the staff is paid for this duty/function.

I do not doubt that the Wyndham Company line is as you have stated.
 
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ronparise said:
Im at Wyndham's Indio resort this week. (or Worldmarks Indio resort, if that makes you feel better) But Im staying here with my Wyndham points

This morning I was to have my "owner update" with one of the Wyndham reps (there are also Worldmark reps here) I waited for a while and was finally greeted by the sales manager. He offered to answer my questions, but I got no breakfast and no gift

So my first question was...have I been black-listed. His answer was "yes... we call you a mega-renter".

I thanked him for his honesty and then asked about the pathways program. I told him I was looking for an exit strategy. He was completely honest with me...Pathways will not work with anything bought on the resale market and offers no guarantee for the retail buyer.
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Thats funny, I was told I am banned from Grandview presentations! I will be visiting Wyndham Indio for Thanksgiving week. We only live 2 hours outside of Palm Springs area so this will be a local-ish vacation for us. Hoping the weather holds to mid 70s for swimming.

Quick thoughts on the resort?
 
So, Ron what are you doing with your extra time these days to rattle cages?

I have been told several times after making sales people angry/look stupid I was being put on blackball list, but has not happened so far.
 
I guessing they got tired of listening to him
 
I bet you could go to other Wyndham resorts and they would give you an
Update. We know how organized they are. :D
 
We are not blacklisted, but while in Hawaii they gave us $125 for one update and $100 for another. When we arrived at our third place, they didn't offer an update to us. lol. I'm sure they will offer it to us again sometime on our next trip.
 
Rent_Share said:
I guessing they got tired of listening to him
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Just curious, but what have you got against Ron? I've seen a couple posts now that just seem rude..,
 
NHTraveler said:
We are not blacklisted, but while in Hawaii they gave us $125 for one update and $100 for another. When we arrived at our third place, they didn't offer an update to us. lol. I'm sure they will offer it to us again sometime on our next trip.
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There is a blacklist, this is true. However, the Resorts and Sales Offices apparently have a wide latitude on who to invite and who not to invite.

They apparently do keep track of how many presentations are attended within certain timeframes and if you attend to many without buying anything, then you may sit out a few visits.

I do not know if it is true or not, but I understand one per 6 month period is the rule of thumb, if not blacklisted. If blacklisted, then it is up to the individual resort and the co-located sales office.

As for Rent Share, he apparently has a view of the world his way or no way if you interfere with whatever drummer he marches to. Ron is usually right, projections are decent.

Out of respect for some that do not seem to have a similar track record, I will say no more.
 
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I so HOPE that if Ron or anyone has to sit out without an invite to an Owner's Update, that the poor hangtag staff doesn't have the low penetration rate work against their commission and paycheck. ;)

And the actual rule for "not permitted to be compensated for attendance" is once every 2 weeks.
 
i've been banned from westgate they made me sign a piece of paper saying I am no longer allowed to do a tour for gifts or something like that.
Wyndham not yet but second to the last owners update I was supposed to be put on the Claudia talk to me file and he is not interested. But one month later they invited me again so I said sure. But since we did it as a group it too longer and sucked. 100 dollar gift card worked fine so it wasn't a total waste of time
 
vacationhopeful said:
I so HOPE that if Ron or anyone has to sit out without an invite to an Owner's Update, that the poor hangtag staff doesn't have the low penetration rate work against their commission and paycheck. ;)

And the actual rule for "not permitted to be compensated for attendance" is once every 2 weeks.
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Did one on the Big Island on October 7 and the second was on October 12 at Bali Hai. Maybe they thought they had a chance at BH? Either way, it was a no. :D
 
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