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Is there still a resale department?

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The link for Exit just goes to your MVC login page. It doesn't actually go to any information for exiting like it claims it does. The email address I previously used to contact the resale team is no longer valid. There is still a number listed for them in the contact us info under "sell". The automated system acknowledged it is still there and I was on hold and opted for a call back. Has anyone had any dealings with them recently?

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@Saintsfanfl. Does the exit program cost owners anything, ie title searches and deed xfer fees, etc? I spoke with a broker on Maui who said priced to sell we would still net a few hundred bucks selling on the open market. That amount isn’t significant unless Marriott is going to make me pay something to give them my deed.
 

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@Saintsfanfl. Does the exit program cost owners anything, ie title searches and deed xfer fees, etc? I spoke with a broker on Maui who said priced to sell we would still net a few hundred bucks selling on the open market. That amount isn’t significant unless Marriott is going to make me pay something to give them my deed.
Maui Ocean Club should still have significant resale value. Check Redweek prices and completed listings to get an idea. ROFR.net is also a decent guide. Worth far more than a few hundred bucks.
 

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Didn't you own 19 weeks at one time? How many are you down to now?









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I had more but that’s so weird you say 19 because that’s what I have now. I bought Lakeshore for day use but we moved to Debary and pretty much don’t use it unless we are staying over night. Super high fees so a deed back is saving alot of money. A few years ago I rented for a $300 loss but much worse for 2025. Also doing a deed back on an MA that I’ve been using to exchange. I will be down to 17.
 

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@Saintsfanfl. Does the exit program cost owners anything, ie title searches and deed xfer fees, etc? I spoke with a broker on Maui who said priced to sell we would still net a few hundred bucks selling on the open market. That amount isn’t significant unless Marriott is going to make me pay something to give them my deed.
When we completed a deed back last year on 2 St Kitts Beach Club weeks there was just a small cost to have the ownership documents notarised at the Consulate.
Thankfully we had all the original documents or there could have been significant cost and further time delay otherwise.
 

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Maui Ocean Club should still have significant resale value. Check Redweek prices and completed listings to get an idea. ROFR.net is also a decent guide. Worth far more than a few hundred bucks.
Maui resale prices are down since the fire and not expected to rise anytime soon. Limitations on short term rentals may help prices down the road, but right now every other year 1 BR Ocean View are on Red Week for +/-$3000. The broker I spoke with said they have a flat fee of $2500 plus title fees but we would recover 2025 fees paid to Marriott. Net proceeds est $600. Waiting for Marriott to quote me fees if we do a give back. $600 ain’t much but better than paying.
 

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Maui resale prices are down since the fire and not expected to rise anytime soon. Limitations on short term rentals may help prices down the road, but right now every other year 1 BR Ocean View are on Red Week for +/-$3000. The broker I spoke with said they have a flat fee of $2500 plus title fees but we would recover 2025 fees paid to Marriott. Net proceeds est $600. Waiting for Marriott to quote me fees if we do a give back. $600 ain’t much but better than paying.
You could also ask Marriott about their resale program. It can sometimes take a while for a week to sell and they take a 50% commission, but their sales prices are much higher. I was just looking at ROFR.net and there is a post fire 1BR OV that failed ROFR at $7000. Why give it back if they are willing to pay someone else $7000? Perhaps the prices aren't that high now, but you also don't have to sell through a broker who will take $2500 from the sale.
 

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Marriott already told me they wouldn’t pay me anything but would accept the deed. They didn’t discuss fees in that email. Based on that, if I were to find a buyer and then they wanted to exercise ROFR I would have to conclude they lack business ethics.
 

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Marriott already told me they wouldn’t pay me anything but would accept the deed. They didn’t discuss fees in that email. Based on that, if I were to find a buyer and then they wanted to exercise ROFR I would have to conclude they lack business ethics.


So I guess the question becomes "how badly do you need to unload it" ?

One thing about giving it back; No headaches, no ROFR, and no need to search (and hope) for a buyer. It's a done deal!

Welcome to TUG.









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Marriott already told me they wouldn’t pay me anything but would accept the deed. They didn’t discuss fees in that email. Based on that, if I were to find a buyer and then they wanted to exercise ROFR I would have to conclude they lack business ethics.
Yes, they lack business ethics. For proof, look at their sales department.

Suppose you list it on Redweek or similar at a low, low price, perhaps $2,000 with buyer to pay transfer costs? When Marriott ROFR's the deal, you will get your $2,000 from Marriott and Marriott will pick up the transfer costs.
 

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if I were to find a buyer and then they wanted to exercise ROFR I would have to conclude they lack business ethics.
They do this regularly. They are willing to take your week back and offer you nothing but ROFR.net shows they have exercised ROFR on weeks that sold for thousands of dollars. They have no qualms taking your week for free. Better than paying for it.
 

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Marriott already told me they wouldn’t pay me anything but would accept the deed. They didn’t discuss fees in that email. Based on that, if I were to find a buyer and then they wanted to exercise ROFR I would have to conclude they lack business ethics.
This is how ROFR works. They are not going to give you "top dollar" as a deed back. One might argue about the ethics but IMO, this action under ROFR is normal and reasonable business practice. Just like a car dealership will not make you a retail offer to purchase your used car.
 

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This is how ROFR works. They are not going to give you "top dollar" as a deed back. One might argue about the ethics but IMO, this action under ROFR is normal and reasonable business practice. Just like a car dealership will not make you a retail offer to purchase your used car.
I recall a time when MVC did have a real buyback program where they paid for the week. Probably somewhere between 2012 and 2014/15? The offers for weeks were decent but not as much as you could get selling through the resale program (after 40% commission), and still less than if you sold it on your own.
 

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I recall a time when MVC did have a real buyback program where they paid for the week. Probably somewhere between 2012 and 2014/15? The offers for weeks were decent but not as much as you could get selling through the resale program (after 40% commission), and still less than if you sold it on your own.
I remember when the commission for MVC to sell was 20% and not 40% and IIRC, the commission did not apply to buy backs at that time. And when MVC had a very active resale department, Resale Sally was great to work with.
 

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I remember when the commission for MVC to sell was 20% and not 40% and IIRC, the commission did not apply to buy backs at that time. And when MVC had a very active resale department, Resale Sally was great to work with.
Did the commission ever apply to buy backs? I don't seem to recall that it ever did. The buy back program was only a short run for a few years after they launched DC and seemed to need inventory for the trust.
 

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Did the commission ever apply to buy backs? I don't seem to recall that it ever did. The buy back program was only a short run for a few years after they launched DC and seemed to need inventory for the trust.
I'm pretty certain it did for a time somewhere around the time when it changed from 20 to 40% but I'm not 100% certain.
 

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I'm pretty certain it did for a time somewhere around the time when it changed from 20 to 40% but I'm not 100% certain.
That was before my MVC days...

I actually recall those early 2010s buyback prices being higher than one could get on the external market. I recall a couple posters here who would buy resale, then flip it back to Marriott Vacation Club for a profit.
 

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That was before my MVC days...

I actually recall those early 2010s buyback prices being higher than one could get on the external market. I recall a couple posters here who would buy resale, then flip it back to Marriott Vacation Club for a profit.
My information/experience goes back to about 97 or 98. I have a fair amount of print information for HHI resales and resorts from around that time. Was the central check in for HHI still going then?
 

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My information/experience goes back to about 97 or 98. I have a fair amount of print information for HHI resales and resorts from around that time. Was the central check in for HHI still going then?
We didn't go to HHI for the first time until 2011. We checked in at our resort.
 

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We didn't go to HHI for the first time until 2011. We checked in at our resort.
I'm not sure when it changed and not all resorts used the central check in which was located right next to Sea Pines Circle on Wm Hilton Pkwy. I think MVC still owns the building. IIRC HP/SP & Barony didn't use it but the rest did though I'm uncertain about MGO. Of course then there was Spicbush, Swallowtail and the Saturday Villas as well as the rest other than Surfwatch.
 
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