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I am combining an II exchange with a 7 night DC points stay at Barony. My II confirmation shows 'Oceanside' so I reserved Oceanside for my points stay. I had hoped to stay in the same villa for the duration of my stay, similar to what I had done at Barony two years ago. I was informed that all II exchanges are now assigned to Garden View. I had a similar experience at Crystal Shores in October when I was downgraded to poolside/low floor from my confirmed Gulfside exchange. Since this was shortly after the hurricane, I assumed this was due to some villas being unusable.

I understand that the resorts no longer receive detailed information about II exchanges, and they appear as 'bulk' deposits. Are all of the other MVC resorts assigning these exchanges to the lowest level? The cost difference in points ($.84 per point) is $275 between Garden View and Oceanside, and was $500 at Crystal Shores for the downgrade. Who benefits from this incremental income due to the downgrades? Interval is responsible for no longer providing exchange details to the resort and the resorts choose to assign the exchangers to the lowest level. This would result in significant additional profits for someone and appears to be unethical, if not illegal since MVC now owns Interval. I would have never accepted the exchange at Barony if I had known it would be Garden View because it isn't even part of the main resort. I'm curious to learn other people's experience and any suggestions regarding what owners can do. The sales people are prophetic in that II exchanges are losing their value.
 

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I am combining an II exchange with a 7 night DC points stay at Barony. My II confirmation shows 'Oceanside' so I reserved Oceanside for my points stay. I had hoped to stay in the same villa for the duration of my stay, similar to what I had done at Barony two years ago. I was informed that all II exchanges are now assigned to Garden View. I had a similar experience at Crystal Shores in October when I was downgraded to poolside/low floor from my confirmed Gulfside exchange. Since this was shortly after the hurricane, I assumed this was due to some villas being unusable.

I understand that the resorts no longer receive detailed information about II exchanges, and they appear as 'bulk' deposits. Are all of the other MVC resorts assigning these exchanges to the lowest level? The cost difference in points ($.84 per point) is $275 between Garden View and Oceanside, and was $500 at Crystal Shores for the downgrade. Who benefits from this incremental income due to the downgrades? Interval is responsible for no longer providing exchange details to the resort and the resorts choose to assign the exchangers to the lowest level. This would result in significant additional profits for someone and appears to be unethical, if not illegal since MVC now owns Interval. I would have never accepted the exchange at Barony if I had known it would be Garden View because it isn't even part of the main resort. I'm curious to learn other people's experience and any suggestions regarding what owners can do. The sales people are prophetic in that II exchanges are losing their value.
I doubt there's profit but more likely an upgrade for a member. Regardless it's the way II has effectly worked for years at many resorts. I don't see it as an ethics or greed issue but rather expected and any difference simply a plus. I'd make sure you make requests at least 2.5 to 3 weeks out and only request to be in the same unit the entire time.
 

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I doubt there's profit but more likely an upgrade for a member. Regardless it's the way II has effectly worked for years at many resorts. I don't see it as an ethics or greed issue but rather expected and any difference simply a plus. I'd make sure you make requests at least 2.5 to 3 weeks out and only request to be in the same unit the entire time.
I have been using II for several years since MVC started using them as an exchange company and there have definitely been changes since MVC acquired them. This year II stopped providing PDF files with details regarding the exchange to exchangers. I always contact rooms control several weeks in advance and had been communicating with Barony in advance. They clearly informed me that this is their policy and it's partially caused by receiving minimum information from II about the exchange. If Interval is receiving a mixture of villa types in exchanges and MVC is assigning the lowest level to exchangers, then someone is definitely making a profit from this policy.
 

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then someone is definitely making a profit from this policy.
MVW use II as part of their overall system level inventory control, that has a positive effect on inventory utilisation and hence profit. They do this as they have the rights to shift inventory about to meet demand. Its not new that II reservations take lower unit assignment priority that owners or club points reservations and that the unit assigned isn't guaranteed for an II reservation.
As time goes by and supply and demand alter, its to be expected that they will change inventory allocations, we can only speculate how that manifests itself, but II is likely to be lower priority than the other booking channels.
If you have had good luck getting good unit allocations or greater value from your exchange than your deposit, that may not last. If view type is important to you, II is not a good platform to use.
 
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MVC is assigning the lowest level to exchangers, then someone is definitely making a profit from this policy.
More likely another owner is getting a benefit though it is what it is as they say. This has been consistent across the system since Covid, before that some resorts were hard line the other way even refusing to downgrade to combine rooms.
 

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I owned at Barony for many years in silver season and would trade back with II in gold season. Barony has pretty much always put II trades in the garden units no matter what the II confirmation shows. I think most of the big HHI marriotts do the same, except maybe the lesser ones like at Shelter Cove. I believe the II confirmation says something to the effect that location is not guaranteed just that you will get a 2-bedroom.
 

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I also don't think this is anything new in the South Carolina beach front resorts. It is more usual to not get the listed view than it is to get an ocenview or ocean front (II confirmation), if you don't own at that resort. That has been my experience in the last 10 years. I don't think it means that the other resorts will follow suit.
 

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HP and some of Monarch are fixed units. Historically MGO has given the unit traded though I get the sense that after Covid they've done so less frequently. I know with OF exchanges for MGO even the last few years we've gotten OF but our situation is not a good measure as we have had 14-17 units for a given week. What MGO does consistently is put exchangers on lower floors and MGO views points reservations as exchanges as they technically are.
 

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I don't know if Marriott sold this units as Ocean front, Ocean side and Garden view. If they did, the presumption is the buyer paid more for better views. If the buyer decides to drop their OF unit into II, shouldn't II (in this case Marriott) give the exchanger the unit that has been deposited? Rather than a lower view (lower cost) unit?
If the above were true, then I would know exactly what type of unit is being exchanged into.
 

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More likely another owner is getting a benefit though it is what it is as they say. This has been consistent across the system since Covid, before that some resorts were hard line the other way even refusing to downgrade to combine rooms.
If their policy is to always assign II exchanges Garden View units, how would any owner benefit from this policy? Therefore no exchanger would get any benefit. Where does the resort move this inventory? An owner who used VC points for a reservation only gets the villa level that they reserved with points. The resort isn't going to upgrade a points user or week owner to a higher view villa. If 25% of the owner deposits are for oceanside or ocean front villas, and 100% of the exchangers are assigned the garden villas, how are those 25% inventory units used? If MVC utilizes them for DC point reservations or for Marriott Bonvoy rentals or Encore, they are generating more revenue from those downgraded II exchanges. I would also like to note that Ocean side villas are still available for VC points or Bonvoy cash reservations for the week I am there.

As I mentioned earlier, I received the confirmed Oceanside villa assignment two years ago when I combined it with my Oceanside points reservations. At that time, II provided PDF confirmations that included the villa level that had been deposited. Exchanges were typically allocated in the same 'buckets' as the deposits. Recently, II stopped including PDF files with the exchange details and it is much more difficult to find the type of unit that had been deposited (and to add to Bonvoy reservations). I realize that exchangers always have the lowest villa assignment priority, but at least the villa assignment was for the confirmed view type. In the past, owners exchanging into their owned resort received priority over other exchangers or renters, but II stopped providing ownership information to the resort so this policy stopped.

My question is still whether this downgrade is occurring at the other MVC resorts with multiple view levels, and has anyone actually been upgrade to a higher level for an exchange or points reservation?
 

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I owned at Barony for many years in silver season and would trade back with II in gold season. Barony has pretty much always put II trades in the garden units no matter what the II confirmation shows. I think most of the big HHI marriotts do the same, except maybe the lesser ones like at Shelter Cove. I believe the II confirmation says something to the effect that location is not guaranteed just that you will get a 2-bedroom.
That hadn't been my experience at Barony, Surf Watch, or Grand Ocean in the past unless my exchange confirmation was for Garden View. I received low priority for the view assignment, but it had always been within the assigned view. What did the resort do with the inventory from the owner who deposited the higher view? II should be required to indicate that all exchanges into Barony and other resorts with this policy will be Garden View villa. This would make a big difference to potential exchangers, especially for Barony due to the poor location of its Garden View villas.
 

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I am able to see the room code both in II history as well as when looking up rervation at Marriott.com. Not sure why you can't but Marriott certainly has the room code info.
 

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I don't know if Marriott sold this units as Ocean front, Ocean side and Garden view. If they did, the presumption is the buyer paid more for better views. If the buyer decides to drop their OF unit into II, shouldn't II (in this case Marriott) give the exchanger the unit that has been deposited? Rather than a lower view (lower cost) unit?
If the above were true, then I would know exactly what type of unit is being exchanged into.
What should happen and what does happen are two different things.
 

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That hadn't been my experience at Barony, Surf Watch, or Grand Ocean in the past unless my exchange confirmation was for Garden View. I received low priority for the view assignment, but it had always been within the assigned view. What did the resort do with the inventory from the owner who deposited the higher view? II should be required to indicate that all exchanges into Barony and other resorts with this policy will be Garden View villa. This would make a big difference to potential exchangers, especially for Barony due to the poor location of its Garden View villas.
II indicates that no views are guaranteed. The resort has the right to put you in any view they want regardless of whether or not a view is listed. You are guaranteed the number of bedrooms, occupancy and kitchen indicated, nothing more. II makes it clear to resorts that under the exchange system they are in no way obligated to give out or honour any particular view and can choose to swap out the view and assign units anyway they see fit. Marriott is one of the few developers that systemwide more often than not, does give out the view indicated. For this reason an oceanfront deposit gets no more trading power than the worst dumpster view unit.

This is the generic wording on II's confirmation under additional information:

The host unit may vary from the one indicated. The Certificate does not indicate that a particular view or unit location will be provided at the destination resort. If confirmed to multiple stays at the same resort, you may be required to move to another unit for each stay confirmed.
 
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This situation has long been the case at the South Carolina resorts. OceanWatch included. They have long demoted II exchanges. That said, they will often rotate in an owner at the resort who exchanged back in (not a home resort reservation) to the better unit you were "downgraded" from.

This seems to be mostly unique to SC properties. Hawaii resorts have the same language but they tend to honor the deposited view more often than not. Aruba also tends to downgrade exchangers but as far as I know, most other resorts keep you in the unit type that was deposited.
 

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If their policy is to always assign II exchanges Garden View units, how would any owner benefit from this policy? Therefore no exchanger would get any benefit. Where does the resort move this inventory? An owner who used VC points for a reservation only gets the villa level that they reserved with points. The resort isn't going to upgrade a points user or week owner to a higher view villa. If 25% of the owner deposits are for oceanside or ocean front villas, and 100% of the exchangers are assigned the garden villas, how are those 25% inventory units used? If MVC utilizes them for DC point reservations or for Marriott Bonvoy rentals or Encore, they are generating more revenue from those downgraded II exchanges. I would also like to note that Ocean side villas are still available for VC points or Bonvoy cash reservations for the week I am there.

As I mentioned earlier, I received the confirmed Oceanside villa assignment two years ago when I combined it with my Oceanside points reservations. At that time, II provided PDF confirmations that included the villa level that had been deposited. Exchanges were typically allocated in the same 'buckets' as the deposits. Recently, II stopped including PDF files with the exchange details and it is much more difficult to find the type of unit that had been deposited (and to add to Bonvoy reservations). I realize that exchangers always have the lowest villa assignment priority, but at least the villa assignment was for the confirmed view type. In the past, owners exchanging into their owned resort received priority over other exchangers or renters, but II stopped providing ownership information to the resort so this policy stopped.

My question is still whether this downgrade is occurring at the other MVC resorts with multiple view levels, and has anyone actually been upgrade to a higher level for an exchange or points reservation?
I have seen them upgrade owners, myself included, but I think it's more common during slower times and generally uncommon overall. This past year we had 4 OF reservations and received 6 OF units. We had 10 owned weeks (including the 4 OF), 6 points reservation all OV and one exchange that was OV. I realize ours is a special situation trying to fit all units into one building and that 3 of the 6 OF units were on the first or second floor. I don't think any of us know how they utilize the bulk of the units but it's clearly not just for profit. And since the resorts are sold out most of the year simply from usage (esp the higher end 3), there's really not much leeway for profit from rentals. It's not like some resorts I've seen (non MVC) where they'll try to upsell you a view at check in. I doubt it's many units anyway especially during the Platinum season. I would suspect they're using them mostly like they did for us, for flexibility. While I haven't seen any evidence of this, I could see them upgrading someone to entice them to a presentation. Regardless and as noted, II doesn't guarantee view so the resorts have the rights to do so even if it was purely for profit.

This reminds me a little bit of the hurricane closures and unit assignments on HHI a few years ago. It was interesting to follow the thoughts and emotions on that one.
 

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I've always been told that the inventory that MVC uses has to match the 'bucket' available for the reservation type. If they are allocating upgraded villas from II reservations to owner or points reservations, that doesn't meet the policies that they communicate and aren't fair to owners who exchange their owned week. My biggest problem is their lack of transparency. If they assign all II exchangers to the lowest level villa, then that should be indicated when I am making my exchange. When I made this exchange, it clearly indicated a Oceanside villa. Since MVC own II, it's hard not to be skeptical regarding recent changes II has made.
 

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This situation has long been the case at the South Carolina resorts. OceanWatch included. They have long demoted II exchanges. That said, they will often rotate in an owner at the resort who exchanged back in (not a home resort reservation) to the better unit you were "downgraded" from.

This seems to be mostly unique to SC properties. Hawaii resorts have the same language but they tend to honor the deposited view more often than not. Aruba also tends to downgrade exchangers but as far as I know, most other resorts keep you in the unit type that was deposited.
As an owner at several MVC resorts, I've never been upgraded to a higher 'view' when exchanging to my home resort. Is MVC doing this at the SC resorts or are they using it for points, Encore, or rental inventory? I wouldn't be upset if a downgrade was due to inventory being unavailable due to maintenance or damage, but that doesn't appear to be the case since points and rental reservations are still being offered for Oceanside villas.
 

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As an owner at several MVC resorts, I've never been upgraded to a higher 'view' when exchanging to my home resort. Is MVC doing this at the SC resorts or are they using it for points, Encore, or rental inventory? I wouldn't be upset if a downgrade was due to inventory being unavailable due to maintenance or damage, but that doesn't appear to be the case since points and rental reservations are still being offered for Oceanside villas.
I think regardless of what they've told you, if you have a points reservation and your II view matches up with that, they are going to do their best to keep you in the same room for the duration of your stay. They won't downgrade your point reservation. So, in order to keep you in the same room they would have to keep you in the unit type that was deposited for what you exchanged in to. They are using canned language to set expectations at the lowest possible view. That being garden view.
 

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I've always been told that the inventory that MVC uses has to match the 'bucket' available for the reservation type. If they are allocating upgraded villas from II reservations to owner or points reservations, that doesn't meet the policies that they communicate and aren't fair to owners who exchange their owned week. My biggest problem is their lack of transparency. If they assign all II exchangers to the lowest level villa, then that should be indicated when I am making my exchange. When I made this exchange, it clearly indicated a Oceanside villa. Since MVC own II, it's hard not to be skeptical regarding recent changes II has made.
Not sure who told you that the inventory has to match the "bucket" that just isn't how they manage inventory either at a system or resort level, and its certainly not a policy that I've ever seen written down. People use the "bucket" analogy to simplify why you can see different availability across the different reservation systems, but that doesn't mean that they can't and don't move inventory between the "buckets" or that inventory can't be eligible for multiple "buckets" or that a resort can't do unit assignment differently. We saw them move inventory from their rental keys to owner reservations in the post COVID demand peak, so know they monitor and adjust as supply and demand move and in line with their forecasting. We know there are resorts that vary unit assignment based on the type of guests that they have, per above relating to HHI.
II are completely transparent that view type isn't guaranteed. II are also transparent on the factors that they use to define trading power, and that it includes variable factors such as supply and demand, it isn't a fixed formula.
Feel free to be as skeptical as you like, II, MVC and the resorts will keep making changes, some may suit you and others may not, that's how its been for +20 years. Understand and adapt are your best skills to help you get what you want, others do that so if you don't you'll do less well than they do.
You are taking a risk assuming that you will get the unit type per your II reservation, but if you contact the resort to ask them to combine your reservations and ask if they can keep you in the same unit for your whole stay, they will do that if they can, you are entitled to nothing more.
 

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You are taking a risk assuming that you will get the unit type per your II reservation, but if you contact the resort to ask them to combine your reservations and ask if they can keep you in the same unit for your whole stay, they will do that if they can, you are entitled to nothing more.
I fully agree that this is the key point.
We almost always combine Interval exchanges with weeks/points reservations and never with all of our very many stays Worldwide in over 20 years has an MVC resort failed to combine our reservations to allow us to stay in the same unit for our whole stay.
 

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I've always been told that the inventory that MVC uses has to match the 'bucket' available for the reservation type. If they are allocating upgraded villas from II reservations to owner or points reservations, that doesn't meet the policies that they communicate and aren't fair to owners who exchange their owned week. My biggest problem is their lack of transparency. If they assign all II exchangers to the lowest level villa, then that should be indicated when I am making my exchange. When I made this exchange, it clearly indicated a Oceanside villa. Since MVC own II, it's hard not to be skeptical regarding recent changes II has made.
As noted, II is clear they do not guarantee view type and unit assignments are made by the resorts. And while they have the codes, they do not track the views and it's like they do not even know what they mean other than using them to confirm ownership. While you're fretting over the issue, there are also advantages to this for exchangers who own at resorts with variations in units sizes, views, etc. A resort with 2, 3 or 4 view types or with smaller/larger units of same sleeping capacity will get the same trade power regardless of what's deposited. Since we're talking HHI, take HP where all units are 2 BR sleep 6 but there is a dramatic variability in view, size and even amenities between the lowest units (D) and esp the A/B units.historicaly a common purchase option there for exchanging was a top week in a D unit for this reason. Or GC which has smaller and larger 1 BR units among others.
As an owner at several MVC resorts, I've never been upgraded to a higher 'view' when exchanging to my home resort. Is MVC doing this at the SC resorts or are they using it for points, Encore, or rental inventory? I wouldn't be upset if a downgrade was due to inventory being unavailable due to maintenance or damage, but that doesn't appear to be the case since points and rental reservations are still being offered for Oceanside villas.
I've been upgraded a few times but there was always a reason for it such as the one I mentioned above but a couple of other times to keep us in the same unit for stays longer than a week to combine a points stay and an exchange. I've also had situations where resorts were so hardline on giving the exact unit deposited that it created issues for us that were easily fixed with a downgrade which we had asked for.

Room controllers and the Front Desk staff have a very difficult job and they get a lot of abuse. I've seen it first hand on many occasions. Knowing this and believing that most of them most of the time are just doing the best they can, I give them a lot of leeway. Lower expectations and an attitude to not be disappointed over small matters have served me well. For example, as I mentioned we have a large group of rooms at HHI with some OF & some OS. There are only 2 of the 10 buildings there where all units could be mostly or all in the same building. My ONLY request therefore is that, to be in the same building IF POSSIBLE. A few yeas ago they contacted me that 2 of our units would be in a different building. I was disappointed because that meant I'd have to effectively tell part of the group they were of lower priority and it created minor issues as I tried to group certain people closer together. But I did not complain at all as I felt like they were doing their best, had set expectations and had communicated the situation. I was prepared and had everything arranged who would be there. I had communicated with those affected in our group, they were likewise disappointed but understood and very accommodating. This was maybe 10-12 days out from our stay. A few days before arrival they contacted me and said we'd be in the same building for all units. I do not know what happened. Dis someone cancel, change requests or did my low stress response cause them to revisit and put additional effort there, I will never know.

Of all my stays over the years I've only complained about unit assignments one time which I chronicled here in 2018. The issue wasn't one of downgrading but rather of location as we were spread out about as far as we could have been at Ko Olina with units on opposite ends of the resort. Even then I wasn't yelling and screaming at the resort staff and actually didn't complain on check in but rather approached the management staff 2-3 days into the stay to inquire what had happened and why. I asked to speak to the FD manager and calmly inquired about the reason for this. We ended up with a meeting of the GM, assistant GM (?), FD manager and actually the GM for Waiohai where we were the next week. My goal was understanding what had happened, learning how to decrease this risk going forward and to possibly help others in a similar situation in the future. There was never any conflict just discussion. While I completely disagreed with what they did and why, I appreciated their communication, honesty and efforts. The end cause was 2 fold, one was absolutely adherence to matching the unit type deposited and the other, caving to someone else who was being difficult earlier that day. Basically they gave our rooms away due to the other person complaining and since they were being absolute about matching the deposited unit type, they simply couldn't then keep us even in adjacent buildings. So rather than have us in all 3 buildings they had one unit on one side of the resort and the rest in the opposite side. I appreciated their honestly in telling me what had actually happened and their efforts to understand plus meet with me.

One pet peeve I have is not telling guests they are receiving a HC unit. I do understand though since many would complain and someone has to get them as generally the resorts have moe HC than those needing/requesting them.
 

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This situation has long been the case at the South Carolina resorts. OceanWatch included. They have long demoted II exchanges. That said, they will often rotate in an owner at the resort who exchanged back in (not a home resort reservation) to the better unit you were "downgraded" from.

This seems to be mostly unique to SC properties. Hawaii resorts have the same language but they tend to honor the deposited view more often than not. Aruba also tends to downgrade exchangers but as far as I know, most other resorts keep you in the unit type that was deposited.

This has not been my experience at Oceanwatch. Summer of 2023 I had 2 exchanges for the same week. One was oceanfront and another was Oceanview. And I requested we be together and was given 2 oceanfront balconies in the Conch building. Best room assignment ever!
 
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