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Is it me or does anyone else see a pattern going on at HVC/HRC?

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Is it by coincidence or just dumb luck that every GM except for 2 out of the 15 resorts have been removed in the last two years and a Marriott stooge, or a former Marriott Mgr been put in place??? “I dunno” ???

And all the resort's MF's spiraling in the wrong direction! Now comes the news the Plantation developer with the blessing of the CEO of MVC sold off remaing land and has sent notice to the BOD of its intend that the owners association will have to absorb the millions of dollars in yearly fee's for shared areas that the developer just sold..

Maybe someone on here who owns Plantation can chime in on were the special assessments are going to come in at to handle added expense?? I've been told by a current owner that the current developer is willing to pay $7 million to help offset the cost for the next seven years then the Deeded owners and Portfolio owners get to bend over and absorb the yearly additional fee's... How exciting is that!!!
 
Is it by coincidence or just dumb luck that every GM except for 2 out of the 15 resorts have been removed in the last two years and a Marriott stooge, or a former Marriott Mgr been put in place??? “I dunno” ???

And all the resort's MF's spiraling in the wrong direction! Now comes the news the Plantation developer with the blessing of the CEO of MVC sold off remaing land and has sent notice to the BOD of its intend that the owners association will have to absorb the millions of dollars in yearly fee's for shared areas that the developer just sold..

Maybe someone on here who owns Plantation can chime in on were the special assessments are going to come in at to handle added expense?? I've been told by a current owner that the current developer is willing to pay $7 million to help offset the cost for the next seven years then the Deeded owners and Portfolio owners get to bend over and absorb the yearly additional fee's... How exciting is that!!!
I also read on another thread yesterday that an entity of Marriott is part of the group that purchased the land at Coconut Plantation. If true, it’s a terrible conflict of interest, but who knows? Anybody know anything about this? Perhaps that’s why the Board there turned down the developer’s $7million offer and wants to keep all options open. We don’t own there, but would be very unhappy if we did.
 
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I imagine the BOD could be held liable as directors & officers if they acted improperly.
 
I think that the BOD is doing everything correctly and studying the deal to see if anything was improper before coming to any conclusions.
 
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Hyatt Coconut Plantation Owners received an important email from the Board of Directors today. Here is the text for anyone interested:

On behalf of the Coconut Plantation Board of Directors we would like to present a clarification and update to the recent communication all owners received from Troy Asche last Friday May 5th.

First, there seems to be some confusion as to all the involved parties in this email. The Pelican Landing Timeshare Venture L. P. (the developer), H. V. Global Management Corporation (the manager), and the Management Company are all part of the same company, Marriott Vacations Worldwide MVW. MVW is a multinational multi billion dollar company and all the references made by Mr. Asche refers to the company he works for. The Association, of course, refers to the owners' Board of Directors. The buyer is the London Bay Group.

Those of us that have been owners for a number of years can recall the very impressive plot plan display at the sales center showing all 14 condo buildings along with all the amenities for the Coconut Plantation. It was indeed very impressive with all the pools, lazy river, playground area, volleyball and basketball courts, saunas, hot tubs, a lobby area, a private beach etc. etc. At the time we all wondered how all these amenities would be paid for in as much as they were already built and only 2 buildings had been constructed. We were all told not to worry that the developer (MVW) has set up a subsidy plan and an annual budget payment would be made toward the shared area expenses based upon the number of actual built condo units versus the eventual planned total of 339 units. Subsequently a 3rd and 4th building were built and the annual payment was reduced accordingly to the present level of 72%. The 4 existing buildings have a total of 96 units and represent 28% of the total buildout leaving the 72% as the obligation of the developer. Additionally, 2 times over the last 21 years the land and development rights have been sold, Hyatt to ILG, and ILG to MVW and both times the obligation to pay the annual percentage of shared area expenses went with the land and have been paid.

Last February 2022 Mr. Asche informed the Board of Directors that MVW intended to sell the land to the London Bay Group. At subsequent board meetings in the spring, summer and early fall Mr. Asche reiterated the same information stating that the scheduled closing date had been pushed forward and that some of the initial terms had been changed. He also indicated that he was working at the corporate level to secure a financial package for the ownership in lieu of the annual shared area obligation. In early November the board was presented with an offer of 8.6 million dollars, to be paid over a 7-year period. As part of the deal, the board was asked to approve and sign a document called the Voluntary Shared Area Contribution drafted by MVW. In discussions among the board members, it was decided to seek legal counsel with respect to this deal. The board was particularly concerned that the text of the document was different from the verbal communications that were conveyed by MVW.

The Board of Directors legal counsel found that MVW simply could not walk away from the shared area expenses obligation simply by selling the land and declaring that they were done building out the Coconut Plantation. In late December the Coconut Plantation Board of Directors formally rejected the offer from MVW. As a matter of due diligence, the board employed a second legal firm for a second opinion and they concurred with the first one. Over the next few months, the Board of Directors offered several potential compromises to MVW and each time they were rejected by MVW. As recently as 1 week before the land closing the Board was willing to seek out common ground to settle the issue but MVW essentially made it a take it or leave it offer. We were told that the land sale was going through and that MVW would file new documents and would no longer pay for their part of the shared area expenses.

That brings us to Troy Asche’s email last Friday. The board would like each and every owner to know that every effort has been made to secure the best position for the ownership and weighed the following. The sum of 8.6 million dollars is no small sum but MVW stands to save nearly double that amount over the same period, taking into account for inflation. MVW is a multi billion dollar corporation that is not in financial trouble. They are not desperate for cash and did not need to sell the land at the Coconut Plantation to raise funds. Last year MVW had sales of 4.6 billion dollars and a gross profit of 2.1 billion dollars. Just last week MVW announced the first quarter sales and earnings and they are on track to meet and exceed last year’s numbers. In the first quarter MVW sold 375 million dollars worth of vacation packages (points) and the cost of packages sold was 58 million dollars. These numbers have come directly from MVW ‘s corporate website. This is certainly something to think about when a sales and marketing person asks you if you want to take your owners' update meeting that turns into a sales presentation to sell you more points. The Board feels that this entire issue is nothing more than corporate greed at its worst and will continue to push back in the interest of the owners.

The Board of Directors has employed the services of an outstanding legal firm that will bring legal action to expose MVW for who they really are and do everything in our power to protect the investment of each and every owner. The board will continue to communicate directly with all of you as we continue with this effort. Thank you so much for your continued support. It is greatly appreciated. Please do not hesitate to contact us directly if you have any questions or concerns moving forward.

Coconut Plantation Board of Directors,
Rick Rudd President
Rick Lohr. V. President
Bob Cherundolo. Director
Mike Greenaway. Director
 
First, they hoodwinked owners at Sunset Harbor to keep MVC in place, cementing their hold on the property. And now, like the Empire in Star Wars, they are sweeping away the last vestiges of the Old Republic. The regional governors will directly control their systems. Fear shall keep the galaxy in line.

Not one positive thing has happened to HRC since MVC took over.
 
We paid our Portfolio Maintenance fees back in November/December. I remember reading something about being underbudgeted at some properties and there would be an extra amount billed but assumed they were talking about for next year when we get our invoice. However, we got a bill today for an extra $65 - no explanation whatsoever - just that it would be delinquent if not paid by June 1st. Very nice - two weeks notice and no explanation. I curse the day we ever decided to do the 660 points to go with our legacy week and I look forward to the day I can punt the portfolio points and their excessive fees for very little value.
 
New MVC slogan....Got Portfolio points? Here's the bill! MVC is comitted to the shareholders, it is profits over owners period. I know little about Coconut, but clearly this is a shell game to leave owners holding the bag, while Marriott corporate grabs the golden ring of profits!
 
We paid our Portfolio Maintenance fees back in November/December. I remember reading something about being underbudgeted at some properties and there would be an extra amount billed but assumed they were talking about for next year when we get our invoice. However, we got a bill today for an extra $65 - no explanation whatsoever - just that it would be delinquent if not paid by June 1st. Very nice - two weeks notice and no explanation. I curse the day we ever decided to do the 660 points to go with our legacy week and I look forward to the day I can punt the portfolio points and their excessive fees for very little value.
Ahh yes, Portfolio just keeps on giving....to MVC. As a legacy owner, you are on the hook for costs related to the owned resort. For Portfolio, you are on the hook for costs related to ALL the resorts. If one resort hits a big pothole, you pay for part of the action.
 
The Developer has advised HV Global Management Corporation that the sale of the Land has been finalized, and the "Land" is now owned by London Bay. Developer has also advised that it will be recording a Notice of Declaration of Buildout that will confirm the final total of 96 Accommodations within the ASSOCIATION compared to a maximum total build out of 339 units.
Developer's contribution was approximately 71+% = 243/339 units.


The Developer prepared and offered to execute a Voluntary Contribution Agreement with the Association pursuant to which the Developer would voluntarily pay over $8 million to the Association over a period of (7) seven years to offset the increased Shared Area Expenses payable by the Association. This would allow more gradual increases of Association assessments over time, so the Management Company and Association could look for other cost-saving opportunities and also allow time for Owners to adjust to the increases. UNFORTUNATELY, at this time, the ASSOCIATION HAS DECLINED THE DEVELOPER'S OFFER. This works out to around $465 extra dollars per owner per year added to yearly MF's in " perpetually ".....
 
The Developer has advised HV Global Management Corporation that the sale of the Land has been finalized, and the "Land" is now owned by London Bay. Developer has also advised that it will be recording a Notice of Declaration of Buildout that will confirm the final total of 96 Accommodations within the ASSOCIATION compared to a maximum total build out of 339 units.
Developer's contribution was approximately 71+% = 243/339 units.


The Developer prepared and offered to execute a Voluntary Contribution Agreement with the Association pursuant to which the Developer would voluntarily pay over $8 million to the Association over a period of (7) seven years to offset the increased Shared Area Expenses payable by the Association. This would allow more gradual increases of Association assessments over time, so the Management Company and Association could look for other cost-saving opportunities and also allow time for Owners to adjust to the increases. UNFORTUNATELY, at this time, the ASSOCIATION HAS DECLINED THE DEVELOPER'S OFFER. This works out to around $465 extra dollars per owner per year added to yearly MF's in " perpetually ".....
I imagine the increased MF allocation will be based on unit size/square footage, so some will likely pay more and others less than $465.
 
Let's hope the lawsuit will be settled the fees there are already high in my opinion and I definitely don't want to shoulder another $500
 
Surprised they haven't removed that offensive word yet from the property title.
 
Not only did the Coconut plantation HRC owners just get the shaft, but everyone in the portfolio gets to shoulder this burden. As Kal said, the portfolio is the gift that keeps on giving....

I would think that with the association refusing the settlement offer, there will be lawsuits. "Send lawyers, guns and money" !

So when HRC weeks owners bail as time goes on, the portfolio gets even more inventory on the cheap. What a coincidence.
 
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Not only did the Coconut plantation HRC owners just get the shaft, but everyone in the portfolio gets to shoulder this burden. As Kal said, the portfolio is the gift that keeps on giving....

I would think that with the association refusing the settlement offer, there will be lawsuits. "Send lawyers, guns and money" !

So when HRC weeks owners bail as time goes on, the portfolio gets even more inventory on the cheap. What a coincidence.
I believe that the Board rejected the settlement offer in order to preserve their rights to sue on the owners’ behalf. Those owners deserve more than is being offered.
 
It certainly could be argued that the developer did not meet their obligation to build out the well documented original plan.

I have heard conflicting information about if enough land was kept at the back of the property to build another building or 2. But that would be a mere dent compared to the original plan.
 
The Developer has advised HV Global Management Corporation that the sale of the Land has been finalized, and the "Land" is now owned by London Bay. Developer has also advised that it will be recording a Notice of Declaration of Buildout that will confirm the final total of 96 Accommodations within the ASSOCIATION compared to a maximum total build out of 339 units.

I imagine the increased MF allocation will be based on unit size/square footage, so some will likely pay more and others less than $465.
Except for the fact that all the units are perty much the EXACT same size. mostly: 1 bed with a lock off studio, and a few dedicated 2 Bedrooms in each building. Not much defference in size between either configuratuion. Difference in SqFt btween the two configurations is immaterial.
 
Surprised they haven't removed that offensive word yet from the property title.
Surprised they haven't removed that offensive word yet from the property title.
I think its a fine name. I would not want it changed and the "Plantation" is also located on Coconut Plantaion Drive. (Plantation, Estate, Ranch.... or Farm , etc all the same thing! )
 
It's too bad CP BOD did not file the action before the sale closed, could have filed a lis pendens which might have added some leverage.

As for the MF's "spiraling" up that is due to inflation. In case you haven't noticed pretty much everything in our area now cost 25-100% more. So an increase is both expected and appropriate to cover increased labor and other costs. Nobody likes inflation but you can't blame that on Marriott.

A buyout is never good because the buyer always looks to recoup the cost through increased revenue, layoffs and service cuts. But as Aspen demonstrated, we have a choice of management companies. Personally I am glad HRC was not fully integrated into Marriott. It is much easier to trade into Hyatt inventory without competing with millions of Marriott owners. Of course YMMV if you prefer the Marriott locations...
 
I think its a fine name. I would not want it changed and the "Plantation" is also located on Coconut Plantaion Drive. (Plantation, Estate, Ranch.... or Farm , etc all the same thing! )

Given the choice, I would rather go back in time to 1830 and work on a farm or ranch instead of a plantation.
 
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