II 2024-2025 Travel Demand Index (TDI) now showing up

[Greg G]

II 2024-2025 Travel Demand Index (TDI) now showing up. A few days ago I don't think I saw it but today I just did.

 

[jwalk03]

II 2024-2025 Travel Demand Index (TDI) now showing up. A few days ago I don't think I saw it but today I just did.

Only 6 months late! Glad its finally there! And yes I checked on Wednesday or yesterday (I cant remember which and it definitely wasn't there then.)

 

[Greg G]

Only 6 months late!

Yeah, really

 

[jwalk03]

It looks like in the first couple I have looked at there have been more changes than years past.

A couple examples that stood out right away-

Lake Tahoe Week 6 went from a 130 TDI to a 110

Colorado & Utah week 16 & 17 went from 65/70 TDI to 150 TDIs!

Palm Desert week 6 went from 150 to 120; week 17 went from 105 to 150; week 47 from 95 to 125

Southwest Florida (Marco, Naples, etc) week 17 from 115 to 150

 

[HudsHut]

Thank you!

 

[mmthomas]

how do I find the chart?

 

[dioxide45]

how do I find the chart?

You get to it through each of the individual resort pages.

 

[Terry D]

I wonder how the II TDI is calculated? It is probably proprietary but does anyone have a best guess? For the Las Vegas 2024/25 chart major events like the Formula 1 race in November/23 or Superbowl in Feb/24 where demand will be "off the chart" (pun intended), the TDI does not seem to take these major events into consideration. Maybe they just use historical data and smooth them out to not reflect major one week events. If someone deposits a Superbowl week, will they get outstanding trading value for that week due to high demand, or will II just use the TDI chart demand which is much lower?

 

[Foggy1]

Palm Desert .......week 47 from 95 to 125

Probably due to Thanksgiving being a week later.

 

[THSMTHS]

Only 6 months late! Glad its finally there! And yes I checked on Wednesday or yesterday (I cant remember which and it definitely wasn't there then.)

Trying to figure this out. I know I ask for a high demand week when we trade. It has a travel index of 73. Our Hawaii resorts are 13. So, I am guessing lower numbers are better. What do the numbers actually signify? The internet has been no help. Where we are right now is a 9. (Sheraton Steamboat Villas) Our favorite digs in Avon, CO is also a 9.

 

[tschwa2]

Trying to figure this out. I know I ask for a high demand week when we trade. It has a travel index of 73. Our Hawaii resorts are 13. So, I am guessing lower numbers are better. What do the numbers actually signify? The internet has been no help. Where we are right now is a 9. (Sheraton Steamboat Villas) Our favorite digs in Avon, CO is also a 9.

The TDI is the chart itself. The regional numbers like 9 and 13 are just chart numbers and have no relevance to trading power. They could have easily been called A,B, C, etc. A demand of 110 in one region is not necessarily equivalent to 110 in another region. Nor does resort X in a region 9 with a tdi of 110 have the same trading power as resort Y in the same region with the same tdi of 110. TDI is just one aspect of trading power. If you compare the same size unit at the same resort for week 52 with a tdi of 140 and a week 40 with a tdi of 90 and deposit them both at bout 90 days before check in, the one with the higher tdi will have more trading power than the lower one. That is all the trading demand index is supposed to show.

Resorts that exchange in points and use a crossover grid do go by TDI regardless of other factors. So while for weeks member a 2BR Hawaii in a branded resort may have a lot more trading power, using points it would cost the same number as a non name Orlando resort with the same tdi.

 

[jwalk03]

Trying to figure this out. I know I ask for a high demand week when we trade. It has a travel index of 73. Our Hawaii resorts are 13. So, I am guessing lower numbers are better. What do the numbers actually signify? The internet has been no help. Where we are right now is a 9. (Sheraton Steamboat Villas) Our favorite digs in Avon, CO is also a 9.

The number at the top of the chart is just the chart number. It has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the trade power of your week.

The number that matters with TDI is the specific box that is shaded for a given week. 100 is the middle box and it counts down to 50 by 5s for each box to the left of center and up to 150 for each box right of center.

You cannot compare TDI across regions. I.e. a 100 in Hawaii May have more trade power than a 150 in Orlando, etc.

TDI is just a directional tool to show you the highest and lowest demand weeks in a given region.

 

[HudsHut]

The legend is at the bottom of the graph. 50 is lowest, at the left. 100 is equilibrium. 150 is highest at the right.

 

[terminaluser]

If someone deposits a Superbowl week, will they get outstanding trading value for that week due to high demand, or will II just use the TDI chart demand which is much lower?

I wonder about this too. Hotels and rental asking prices for superbowl week 2024 in Vegas is through the roof and I would think there's demand to match. I wonder if the intention is solely to maximize trading power for trading into II, if it would have been better to book the superbowl week versus a high TDI week (assuming you can get either at the first opportunity 12 or 13 months out). TDI is not meant to be the only factor clearly but I wonder if special event like this gets factored in at all.

No experience in owning a week and trading into II (yet) but I would *think* the spirit of trading power calculation ultimately is if you have a high demand week it is suppose to trade well into other weeks. Can't imagine something like depositing a superbowl week is not considered high demand and imo if up to me should trump whatever TDI might suggest. But who knows, maybe the team that programmed the algorithm didn't allow for accounting one off events like this or just looks at some kind of smoothed aggregate average demand from the past which would wash out outliners weeks that don't have a year over year pattern.

Curious to see if any owners have experience on this and can shed some light.

 

[jwalk03]

I wonder about this too. Hotels and rental asking prices for superbowl week 2024 in Vegas is through the roof and I would think there's demand to match. I wonder if the intention is solely to maximize trading power for trading into II, if it would have been better to book the superbowl week versus a high TDI week (assuming you can get either at the first opportunity 12 or 13 months out). TDI is not meant to be the only factor clearly but I wonder if special event like this gets factored in at all.

No experience in owning a week and trading into II (yet) but I would *think* the spirit of trading power calculation ultimately is if you have a high demand week it is suppose to trade well into other weeks. Can't imagine something like depositing a superbowl week is not considered high demand and imo if up to me should trump whatever TDI might suggest. But who knows, maybe the team that programmed the algorithm didn't allow for accounting one off events like this or just looks at some kind of smoothed aggregate average demand from the past which would wash out outliners weeks that don't have a year over year pattern.

Curious to see if any owners have experience on this and can shed some light.

I'm thinking they dont actually take those one off events into consideration for TDI at all. Its likely just historical patterns and most of the yearly variances are just based on holidays that float around to different weeks.

 

[buzglyd]

My Gaslamp Plaza Suites 1BR trades in II or RCI. Its TPI is 70 for a summer week which I have reserved in 2024. I've always rented it for Comic Con but I think I whiffed on the dates for next year.

It pulls 47 TPU in RCI which gets some decent exchanges. I consider trying it in II but I'm uncertain how 70 TPI plays.

 

[pedro47]

Thanks you.

 

[HudsHut]

70 is the chart number ( completely meaningless to II's customers, but they continue to put a big number on the top left of each chart, and it confuses many people.)

Your week's TPI is at the very bottom of the graph. Lowest is 50, average is 100, highest is 150. Summer weeks 23 - 33 inclusive are TDI 150.

 

[Carolinian]

This seems to be a helpful feature of II.

Back in the pre-points days, RCI put out a much more abbreviated supply / demand chart that was published in the European edition of its directory, but curiously not in the US version. It listed regions, not specific resorts, and listed demand index by month rather than by week. I used to post some of that chart info here on TUG back in the day as it was pertinent to a discussion here. II's chart seems to be a more helpful tool.

 

[escanoe]

This seems to be a helpful feature of II.

Back in the pre-points days, RCI put out a much more abbreviated supply / demand chart that was published in the European edition of its directory, but curiously not in the US version. It listed regions, not specific resorts, and listed demand index by month rather than by week. I used to post some of that chart info here on TUG back in the day as it was pertinent to a discussion here. II's chart seems to be a more helpful tool.

If one likes transparency, TPUs (that can be looked up on the RCI web page) are the ultimate. The II charts (like the one provided above) are by region. I am buying a timeshare week (52) in a ski resort area of the mid-Atlantic. Per the RCI TPU calculator, weeks 51 and 52 have the most trading power. Per the II TDI chart for the resort (which is for a region) week 52 is just a mediocre week. My understanding is II gives good trading power for the week, but their TDI chart would not show you that. RCI Weeks gives full transparency as to what your trading power is.

I am not picking a side on RCI vs. II in general ... just saying RCI is way ahead in the trading power transparency category. You may not like the amount of trading power they give you, but it is much less of a mystery box than what II does.

 

[buzglyd]

70 is the chart number ( completely meaningless to II's customers, but they continue to put a big number on the top left of each chart, and it confuses many people.)

Your week's TPI is at the very bottom of the graph. Lowest is 50, average is 100, highest is 150. Summer weeks 23 - 33 inclusive are TDI 150.
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Thanks for that. I’ve never exchanged through Interval. The upside is I think I guessed the 2024 Comic con dates correctly so my renters will likely return.

 

[Carolinian]

If one likes transparency, TPUs (that can be looked up on the RCI web page) are the ultimate. The II charts (like the one provided above) are by region. I am buying a timeshare week (52) in a ski resort area of the mid-Atlantic. Per the RCI TPU calculator, weeks 51 and 52 have the most trading power. Per the II TDI chart for the resort (which is for a region) week 52 is just a mediocre week. My understanding is II gives good trading power for the week, but their TDI chart would not show you that. RCI Weeks gives full transparency as to what your trading power is.

I am not picking a side on RCI vs. II in general ... just saying RCI is way ahead in the trading power transparency category. You may not like the amount of trading power they give you, but it is much less of a mystery box than what II does.

The problem with publishing that info is that it means that developers still in sales politick for higher numbers and typically are overpointed compared to sold out resorts. It is the same in RCI points. When trading power was unpublished, developers did not go out to put their thumbs on the scales and the trading power was more honest and objective. I started getting out of RCI when Points showed up and bailed completely when Points Lite (TPUs) arrived.

 

[bnoble]

"Transparency is good, unless you have a lot in which case actually it is bad."

 

[rickandcindy23]

If one likes transparency, TPUs (that can be looked up on the RCI web page) are the ultimate. The II charts (like the one provided above) are by region. I am buying a timeshare week (52) in a ski resort area of the mid-Atlantic. Per the RCI TPU calculator, weeks 51 and 52 have the most trading power. Per the II TDI chart for the resort (which is for a region) week 52 is just a mediocre week. My understanding is II gives good trading power for the week, but their TDI chart would not show you that. RCI Weeks gives full transparency as to what your trading power is.

I am not picking a side on RCI vs. II in general ... just saying RCI is way ahead in the trading power transparency category. You may not like the amount of trading power they give you, but it is much less of a mystery box than what II does.

RCI changes its trading power often, and it's turned out to be pretty awful and changing way too often, in my opinion. If you get 16 points for your week, then trading power changes after you deposit, getting your own week back can be as much as double what you got for your week. This happens at Val Chatelle A LOT. It's a six-unit complex in Summit County, right in the middle of a bunch of ski areas. Owners complain about it, and some owners would rather let their units sit empty, rather than to give the weeks to RCI.

 

[Carolinian]

"Transparency is good, unless you have a lot in which case actually it is bad."

The transparency that WOULD be good is transparency on how RCI compiles its point values, as well as transparency of the underlying data to support them. When overbuilt areas come up with excessive numbers, clearly something is being manipulated.

Also, from a personal conversation with an exec at Barrier Island Station, I am aware that developer negotiated with RCI to rig undeserved high numbers for their resort still in developer sales. I suspect that is probably endemic in RCI's point and TPU numbers.

Transparency of the final number accomplishes nothing if the entire process is not transparent. Indeed it is much less likely to be honest than an opaque system.