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Vegas is at the top of the list for rent to buy ratio. That is the price to buy a house is low and getting the most rent is high when compared to other cities. Maybe not for everyone, but it is a great way to diversify your portfolio and take less exposure to the stock market. Also, I think as the Baby Boom generation retires, that more retires will consider moving to Vegas during the next 10 years. Price appreciation could be excellent.

http://www.smartmoney.com/spend/rea...ents-are-a-buy-signal-1331576287959/?mod=1122


By BRETT ARENDS

My wife and I recently sold our condo in Miami Beach to buy another one. The one we sold was a studio -- or "junior one bedroom" -- in a historic art deco building, a short walk from Ocean Drive and the popular News Cafe. It fetched $95,000.

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Real Estate: When High Rents Are a 'Buy' Signal

Was that cheap? Expensive? People offer all sorts of conflicting opinions about any real estate move -- especially right now, and especially in a shattered market like Miami. But the answer is surprisingly easy to find.

We didn't want to be landlords, but we had credible offers to rent our studio for $1,100 a month, or $13,200 a year. (A few years ago, we would have only gotten about $900 a month). Deduct $5,000 a year for taxes and condo fees and maybe $1,000 for other costs, and that leaves about $7,000 in profit. That's a net rental yield of 7.4 percent on our buyer's purchase price. In an era when 10-year Treasury bonds pay 2 percent and a 30-year mortgage may cost just 4 percent, it ain't hay. Ultimately, it seems our buyers got a good deal, and nationwide, many other people could be doing equally well.

Two-thirds of U.S. families own a home, says the Federal Reserve, and their home typically accounts for two-thirds of their assets. Residential investment is also a major driver of the economy. And yet for all this importance, so many people focus on the wrong things. They ask when the market will bottom out. They fret about the "shadow inventory" of unsold foreclosures. They steer clear of cratered markets like Phoenix or Las Vegas until they see a "return of confidence," but they jump into New York or San Francisco's sky-high prices without a second thought.

Real estate is a simple asset to understand. If you buy a home, you can live in it without paying rent, or you can rent it out to someone else. It has no other use. It has no other value. Rent is to housing as earnings are to stocks. The only sensible way to approach real estate is to compare the price with present and future rents. That's it.

TIME TO BUY?

Some real estate economists say that when home prices are 15 times annual rents or lower, it makes more sense to buy than to rent. That's now the case in about three-quarters of American cities. Some of the price-to-rent ratios:

6: Las Vegas
8: Sacramento
10: San Antonio
13: Miami
15: Chicago
24: San Francisco
36: New York
In early 2008, I first visited Miami to report on the housing bubble for The Wall Street Journal. I checked out some of the brand-new superluxury high-rises downtown, overlooking Biscayne Bay. Prices had already plunged. But, as I calculated, renting one of these places still cost only half as much per month as owning one.

Dean Baker, economist at the Center for Economic and Policy Research, offers a simple rule of thumb. "Based on a historical examination of the price-to-rent ratios," he says, home prices are close to fair value when they are about 15 times gross annual rents. By this measure, Baker says, some of the hardest-hit markets -- such as Detroit and Phoenix -- are now very cheap, and places like Washington, Boston and San Francisco look expensive.

Home prices are down a third from their 2006 peak, according to the Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller 20-city housing index. From the gloomy way people talk about the housing market, you'd think rents were falling too. They're not. According to the Department of Labor, rents have been rising steadily for years, aside from a brief lull in 2009 and 2010. They rose 2.5 percent nationwide last year, to a new high.

Naturally, the economics of all this will vary from property to property. From my own admittedly anecdotal experience, you seem to get the highest rental yields from the smallest properties in the best locations (like a studio a short walk from Ocean Drive).

Trulia, the online real estate company, estimated in a report last summer that it was cheaper to buy than to rent in three-quarters of all major U.S. cities. Average prices were just six times rents in Las Vegas. Meanwhile, prices were 36 times rents in New York and 24 times in San Francisco. Good luck with that.

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If you live in a place where prices are cheap compared with rents and if it fits your circumstances, buying a home now is a compelling financial move. It's a smart investment because it offsets a hidden liability: You will always need somewhere to live. If you don't buy, you will need to find rent money every year, and rents have historically risen -- and will likely continue to rise -- at least in line with inflation.

It's incongruous that while investors have been bidding up the price of inflation-protected Treasury bonds to crazy heights, they have been shunning real estate. A home is also, in a sense, an inflation-protected bond, with rents as the coupon. Very long-term studies of real estate have typically found -- depending on the data -- that house prices have either tracked inflation or beaten it by one or two percentage points a year.

If you're shopping for a home, don't ask the real estate broker what's happening to prices locally. Ask what's happening to rents. That should tell you most of what you need to know.
 

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We too are "bullish" on Vegas. Our new (to us) home there isn't a rental, but it was a steal financially.;) (especially considered to our home market LA metro).

Just heard last week when we were there that there are more renters now in Vegas than owners. So rental demand is high, but many of the renters are folks who lost their homes, so their credit is less than perfect, so a landlord would need to do due diligence. Still there are many really good people out there who fell on bad times and need a place to call home.

As you said, it may not be for everyone, but opportunities are out there in Vegas. :)
 

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I have a friend (age 66) who lives in No. Las Vegas who has been slowly moving his money out of the stodk market; buying houses and condos; and renting them out. The properties he is buying are walking distance from his house; are less than 5 years old; and are in excellent shape. He is more than happy with the cost of the properties and the rental income they produce. His main complaint is getting the Banks that own the properties to move. He is a cash buyer and tells me it takes forever to get a deal finalized.

George
 

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I inherited real estate when my parents died.

If you love your children, you won't leave them real estate. I don't have the stomach for it....
 

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I think were in for another round of foreclosures because of the Dodd Frank Act. There should be an aggressive push to foreclose by the banks real soon. You shouldn't have to look to far to get a foreclosure.

The one problem I see with Las Vegas is that the unemployment rate is over 12%. One of the pro's to buying Las Vegas is it is close to California and when middle class California retires it will be less expensive to live in Nevada.

A result of Dodd Frank is that the national mortgage settlement absolves banks for foreclosure fraud and gives them immunity from prosecution. Foreclosures will increase again. An estimated 12 - 15% of mortgage owners have stopped paying on their mortgage loans. Many of these non-payers are from California.



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A result of Dodd Frank is that the national mortgage settlement absolves banks for foreclosure fraud and gives them immunity from prosecution. Foreclosures will increase again. An estimated 12 - 15% of mortgage owners have stopped paying on their mortgage loans. Many of these non-payers are from California.



Billl

Can you explain how the national mortgage settlement is related to Dodd Frank?

elaine
 

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Can you explain how the national mortgage settlement is related to Dodd Frank?

elaine

I should have used the word " AND' instead of "IS THAT". my bad. These are related because they both affect the real estate investment market.

Dodd Frank regulations have made it very hard for people to qualify for a home loan. This creates more renters.

The National Mortgage Settlement lets the banks pay up and get on with business. This creates more investment opportunities.

The result is more foreclosures and more renters. That is why I think its a good time to buy a rental house. If it goes down the way I think, there will be a glut of REO properties on the market selling for less than neighboring properties.

Billl
 

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Those of you "thinking" about investing in Las Vegas are already too late.

The rental market is tightening -- there are too many investment properties and not enough tenants. The monthly rent is falling. The time to get on this particular train was about two years ago. The numbers are nowhere near as good as they were in 2010.

Also, and please trust me on this, YOU DO NOT WANT TO MANAGE PROPERTY IN LAS VEGAS UNLESS YOU LIVE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THAT PROPERTY. My aunt has a dozen properties in the Las Vegas Valley. I've had to deal with the absolute horror of what tenants have done just because they could. My aunt is a sweet old lady. Nobody deserves to have their houses trashed the way Las Vegas tenants have trashed them. And the property management companies are sleazy in the extreme. You can't trust them to keep an eye on your place, either.

Unless you live here and know what you're doing, you're going to lose an awful lot of money.

And this is coming from someone who wants everyone to buy into Las Vegas to help turn our economy around.
 

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Also, and please trust me on this, YOU DO NOT WANT TO MANAGE PROPERTY IN LAS VEGAS UNLESS YOU LIVE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THAT PROPERTY.

My friend must have talked to you before he bought. He walks for exercise and walks by his rentals every day. He also tries to visit with his tenents at least once a week. So far, so good.

George
 

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Also, and please trust me on this, YOU DO NOT WANT TO MANAGE PROPERTY IN LAS VEGAS UNLESS YOU LIVE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THAT PROPERTY.

That could be said for any property, anywhere. My dad visited each of his properties, almost daily. I work full time and really don't care to stop in for coffee and hear all their problems.

Again, if you love your children, you won't leave them real estate.
 
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Again, if you love your children, you won't leave them real estate.

While I would prefer "cash" or "gold" I would be very happy to inherit real estate that is debt free and cash flow positive.

You may have had a negative experience, but for many people - quality rental real estate ownership provides excellent passive income.
 

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We recently purchased a larger house in downtown Charleston, SC, for our retirement years and couldn't bear to part with our two bedroom, two and a half bath historic kitchen house that served as a weekend and vacation home for us for the past ten years.

We've placed it with a manager who is very hands on and have had so much success renting it short term that I can't even find the time to get in it on a turn over day to see how it looks! We discussed selling the house but didn't know where else to put the money to earn anything.

We're getting up to $500 a night. Hubby keeps up the courtyard so is there from time to time and meets some of the renters. Everything else is handled by manager. So far it's been fantastic. The only problem we've had is the fire alarm being set off and two huge fire trucks and three police cars blocking off our entire block only to find renter outside shaking popcorn bag. I've heard horror stories so here's hoping our good fortune with it continues.

Charleston prices have held pretty firm so it's not an area to look for bargain real estate but has proved to be a great area for rentals.
 

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Those of you "thinking" about investing in Las Vegas are already too late.

The rental market is tightening -- there are too many investment properties and not enough tenants. The monthly rent is falling. The time to get on this particular train was about two years ago. The numbers are nowhere near as good as they were in 2010.

Yup....

Nevada passed a law AB 284 last year that is affecting the inventory of REO's. The Vegas real estate market is tough because of this moratorium on foreclosures. Many of the short sellers have took their homes off the market because they are not afraid of immediate forclosure . These people can just live in them for free. Some banks are offering to lease this inventory back to these deliquent accounts.

There does seem to be a bunch of homes on the HUD Clark County list.
https://www.hudhomestore.com/HUD/Pr...&street=&buyerType=0&specialProgram=&Status=0
 
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