Hyatt and II: Hyatt no longer matching high demand units

[davevt98]

Every year, I generally put in a broad request for ski destinations in Colorado, Utah and Lake Tahoe two years in advance for almost all size units during the ski season. I almost always get a match for a week of some nice units. This is the first time that nothing has matched.

I know that II devalued Hyatt's in that it costs significantly more points but I didn't realize that they are now blocking good inventory even with the higher amount of points. Has anyone experienced the same thing?

 

[bnoble]

Are you sure they've been deposited? Things do change.

I think it's not likely that nothing went in, but it is possible. It's also possible that II is now matching other requests ahead of Hyatt and there is nothing left when they get to you. That seems more likely than "Hyatt can't exchange into any of these at all."

 

[heathpack]

I'm not sure what @bnoble is asking- whether the OP is sure their own units have been deposited, or the desired exchanges are actually available.

However, I noticed something similar to OP- I could no longer "see" a lot of nice stuff that I could previously see with my Hyatts. (I'm using past tense because I'm in the process of divesting from my Hyatts)

My sense is that there's been a significant shift in II- anything Marriott or Westin has been tweaked to be more valuable and anything not Marriott or Westin has been tweaked to be less valuable. This particularly hurt with Hyatt because the resorts are nice and the MF are comparable to the Westins and Marriotts, so of course you're logically trying to trade into something of comparable MF value. If you're using an expensive TS to trade into something you could rent for less than your MF, then you might as well get rid of your timeshares.

II likely feels way different right now if you own a Marriott or Westin (where in II, the sky's the limit!) or an inexpensive TS (I got a good trade with my value TS!). But if you own something every bit as nice as a Westin or Marriott and comparably expensive, II trading probably feels like a losing proposition.

 

[Tucsonadventurer]

Every year, I generally put in a broad request for ski destinations in Colorado, Utah and Lake Tahoe two years in advance for almost all size units during the ski season. I almost always get a match for a week of some nice units. This is the first time that nothing has matched.

I know that II devalued Hyatt's in that it costs significantly more points but I didn't realize that they are now blocking good inventory even with the higher amount of points. Has anyone experienced the same thing?

Marriotts and Westins are more difficult to get because we get 3rd priority and there typically isn't much left. I rarely use interval anymore since it was devalued. It's less points to exchange internally

 

[rdc]

Marriott devalued by design. Hyatts have always been considered an upper quality boutique type of TS with higher trading power. Since there is not a great volume of units, you would think the value would not have been lowered.

 

[heathpack]

Marriotts and Westins are more difficult to get because we get 3rd priority and there typically isn't much left. I rarely use interval anymore since it was devalued. It's less points to exchange internally

I suspect that was HVC’s intent. If there’s more internal HVC trading, more people will choose portfolio units, and there’s more valuable deeded weeks available to sell
new portfolio buyers on.

The question is: does Hyatt really get 3rd priority? My sense is Westin and Marriott gets 1st and 2nd priority, and everybody else gets 0 priority. Is it any better to own a Hyatt for trading purposes than an inexpensive independent? I don’t know but my sense in “no”.

 

[rdc]

I used to be very successful in trading into Marriott high demand locations pretty quickly pre Marriott takeover. Since then, it has come increasingly difficult. I still get the trades in those spots, but waiting time has doubled or tripled before the trade converts.

 

[bnoble]

I'm not sure what @bnoble is asking- whether the OP is sure their own units have been deposited, or the desired exchanges are actually available.

The latter.

I used to be very successful in trading into Marriott high demand locations pretty quickly pre Marriott takeover. Since then, it has come increasingly difficult. I still get the trades in those spots, but waiting time has doubled or tripled before the trade converts.

Some of that is also because Marriott has slowly moved inventory into their points product, and points owners no longer need to use II. Effectively, there is a new internal exchange mechanism exclusive to Marriott.

 

[Hindsite]

but waiting time has doubled or tripled before the trade converts.

It is also taking months longer for MVC to MVC requests to be filled, so not unique to Hyatt.

 

[Red elephant]

The latter.


Some of that is also because Marriott has slowly moved inventory into their points product, and points owners no longer need to use II. Effectively, there is a new internal exchange mechanism exclusive to Marriott.

For resorts outside the US I believe interval is the way to go as Marriott cannot move that inventory into the trust. That’s my understanding.

 

[Hindsite]

For resorts outside the US I believe interval is the way to go as Marriott cannot move that inventory into the trust. That’s my understanding.

MVW on a boat load of inventory across most resorts, US and non-US, and can, and do, move it around between the various reservation platforms based on their forecast supply and demand and what actually happens.
They can't move the non-US units permanently into the points Trust, but there is no reason they can't put it in on a yearly basis, just like other owners do. It is generally true that for MVC Aruba, Spain and France inventory in II is generally better than in Abound (Points exchange). For Westin Lagunamar, II inventory is mostly studios or 1-beds and plentiful, very rarely 2-beds. I've not looked into relative availability for Harbourside (Bahamas), Auz, Thailand and Bali. There is still good availability at most US MVC resorts so rumours of II inventory being starved are sales misinformation, it may be happening, but its happening so slowly there's probably another 20 years before it causes a problem in the wider system. Demand seems to be causing exchange availability constraints, what supply constraints such as owner rental or use Abound, we can only speculate about.

 

[GTLINZ]

The question is: does Hyatt really get 3rd priority? My sense is Westin and Marriott gets 1st and 2nd priority, and everybody else gets 0 priority. Is it any better to own a Hyatt for trading purposes than an inexpensive independent? I don’t know but my sense in “no”.

If your goal is to get Marriott/Westin, then with Hyatt you are going to have to wait for leftovers. Not a good fit is you are looking for high demand weeks.

Hyatt is a really good trader in the sense it call pull almost anything. It used to be great with the old points chart if you are flexible on when to book. It works well for me because i can use it for internal Hyatt trades, and also for Interval trades since I prefer to travel in lower seasons.

But i sure miss the old points chart.

 

[heathpack]

If your goal is to get Marriott/Westin, then with Hyatt you are going to have to wait for leftovers. Not a good fit is you are looking for high demand weeks.

Hyatt is a really good trader in the sense it call pull almost anything. It used to be great with the old points chart if you are flexible on when to book. It works well for me because i can use it for internal Hyatt trades, and also for Interval trades since I prefer to travel in lower seasons.

But i sure miss the old points chart.

My goal is to get something of comparable quality to what I own. I am the queen of shoulder season travel. You are aware that I am not an exchanging neophyte, right- neither in II nor HVC?

I'm not so sure that its true that it can "pull almost anything" any longer. You can report back to us and let us know the great II trades you get in the future.

However, for me, its a moot point because I am divesting of my Hyatts.

 

[GTLINZ]

I am not a heavy Interval trader myself, and am willing to stay in studios. My comment on "pull almost anything" is simply related to the quality factor.

It sure seems that as i read on different TS boards that inventory is being manipulated. I can confirm that i see less inventory in Interval that I used to. I see my ownerships as degrading every year, and we have been selling ownerships, not buying. We target FL and HHI lately since we can drive and have friends and family to visit. Plane travel is not as fun as it used to be, and I am glad we leveraged our timeshares to travel more when younger. Hawaii, Co, AZ, and lots of Soco coast locations were a blast.

I was blessed to find TUG before I bought anything other than a sampler package. It has all worked well for us, but it is not like it used to be.

 

[RunCat]

It was not long ago that II owned HRC. I could see II promoting the value of HRC in their exchange program in order to sell more HRC units. Now that MVWW owns II, I suspect Marriott is just promoting their own brand; even though they also own HVC as well.