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Marriott Grand Chateau
I have a "collection" of Chase Marriott and AmEx SPG credit cards. Between my wife and I, we have:
1 Chase Marriott Premier Plus (personal) card - that's the new card
1 Chase Marriott Premier card - that's the older personal card, and I haven't decided whether to keep as is, upgrade, or cancel
2 Chase Marriott Business cards
1 AmEx SPG personal card
2 AmEx SPG Business cards
So that's 7 current accounts. Even if we cancel the Marriott Premier card, we still have 6 remaining.
In the old days:
- the 4 Chase Marriott accounts spun off 4 "free night" e-certificates. But I didn't mind paying the annual fee on these accounts because we were always able to use the certificates and get more than $95 of value for them.
- The SPG points earned on the AmEx cards were so valuable that I simply accepted and paid the annual fees.
- I deducted the annual fees on my business credit cards as a business expense on my tax return. That effectively reduced those fees.
Under the new Marriott program, let's say I were to keep 6 credit card accounts. That means 6 "free night" certificates, each worth a 35K point hotel stay annually.
- But it also means nearly $600 in annual fees - wow!!
- And the new tax law has me confused - will I still be able to deduct the annual fees on my business credit card accounts?
- Finally, the value of the SPG points earned on the AmEx SPG cards will be devalued in August. One SPG point will then convert to 2 Marriott points rather than 3 Marriott points as in the past.
So I'm undecided about what to do. The issues are:
1. Will we be able to use all 6 certificates and get a good value hotel stay for them?
2. The new Marriott program will introduce peak pricing for hotel award redemptions in 2019. What if the hotel we want to redeem at goes to a peak price of 40K points per night for the timeframe we will be staying? That may seriously crimp our ability to use our certificates. Unless I am wrong, I haven't seen any information to suggest that Marriott would allow you to use a certificate and also kick in 5000 more points to redeem for an award when a category 5 hotel is a peak award pricing.
I know that there are others on TUG who play the credit card points and miles game. So I'm curious what others are thinking about doing with their credit card accounts. I get great benefit from our award accounts, but I am very conscious of the fees we are paying.
(I'll add one more tidbit. My wife has a Chase Sapphire Reserve card and we have a number of other Ultimate Rewards points cards. I transfer all Ultimate Rewards points to her Sapphire Reserve. A good chunk of our spending actually goes onto the Ultimate Rewards cards. The Marriott credit cards do get used, but far less often. But, as I said, I've always kept the Marriott cards because the value of the annual hotel night certificate essentially "washed" the annual fee.)
1 Chase Marriott Premier Plus (personal) card - that's the new card
1 Chase Marriott Premier card - that's the older personal card, and I haven't decided whether to keep as is, upgrade, or cancel
2 Chase Marriott Business cards
1 AmEx SPG personal card
2 AmEx SPG Business cards
So that's 7 current accounts. Even if we cancel the Marriott Premier card, we still have 6 remaining.
In the old days:
- the 4 Chase Marriott accounts spun off 4 "free night" e-certificates. But I didn't mind paying the annual fee on these accounts because we were always able to use the certificates and get more than $95 of value for them.
- The SPG points earned on the AmEx cards were so valuable that I simply accepted and paid the annual fees.
- I deducted the annual fees on my business credit cards as a business expense on my tax return. That effectively reduced those fees.
Under the new Marriott program, let's say I were to keep 6 credit card accounts. That means 6 "free night" certificates, each worth a 35K point hotel stay annually.
- But it also means nearly $600 in annual fees - wow!!
- And the new tax law has me confused - will I still be able to deduct the annual fees on my business credit card accounts?
- Finally, the value of the SPG points earned on the AmEx SPG cards will be devalued in August. One SPG point will then convert to 2 Marriott points rather than 3 Marriott points as in the past.
So I'm undecided about what to do. The issues are:
1. Will we be able to use all 6 certificates and get a good value hotel stay for them?
2. The new Marriott program will introduce peak pricing for hotel award redemptions in 2019. What if the hotel we want to redeem at goes to a peak price of 40K points per night for the timeframe we will be staying? That may seriously crimp our ability to use our certificates. Unless I am wrong, I haven't seen any information to suggest that Marriott would allow you to use a certificate and also kick in 5000 more points to redeem for an award when a category 5 hotel is a peak award pricing.
I know that there are others on TUG who play the credit card points and miles game. So I'm curious what others are thinking about doing with their credit card accounts. I get great benefit from our award accounts, but I am very conscious of the fees we are paying.
(I'll add one more tidbit. My wife has a Chase Sapphire Reserve card and we have a number of other Ultimate Rewards points cards. I transfer all Ultimate Rewards points to her Sapphire Reserve. A good chunk of our spending actually goes onto the Ultimate Rewards cards. The Marriott credit cards do get used, but far less often. But, as I said, I've always kept the Marriott cards because the value of the annual hotel night certificate essentially "washed" the annual fee.)
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