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HGVC inventory in RCI

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GeorgeJ.

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Back a year or two ago I noticed that when I looked at available RCI inventory online, I would see inventory for HGVC resorts in Las Vegas more than a year out. Maybe 15-24 months in advance. Which I thought was odd since you could only book something 9-months out within the HGVC system or 12 months if it was a home week. My thought was, why was HGVC giving RCI inventory farther out than 9 months? It was unlikely it was developer inventory; most likely, HGVC timeshare owners inventory..

Last month I was online at RCI looking to book one of the HGVC resorts in Las Vegas for November 2019 but the inventory for each of the resorts only went out as far as September 2019...I thought maybe it was that my RCI account was only paid through October 2019 so I renewed it but the HGVC inventory did not extend out any further. I took another look yesterday and it was now out as far as October 5 2019. So it looks like they are only making deposits 9 months out now (which I think should have been happening all along).

Anyone else notice this RCI change with HGVC inventory?
 
HGVC owners cannot deposit weeks in RCI. We use our points to make a booking and HGVC decides what to deposit based on decisions they make about vacancy rates/times.

HGVC typically deposits a bulk of units in March/April for the following year, these are picked up with Ongoing Search requests and people waiting for it.

What you are seing is either cancellations or mini bulk deposits that HGVC does to balance out points the owners used in RCI of excess inventory they have. There may be changes in the pattern of what you can see because there are now Resort Fees, people might start avoiding these exchanges.

I don’t think its 1:1, the deposit matches the resort of the owner that used points in RCI.

The one that always surprises me are the penthouse units at Lagoon. An owner must be nuts to use those points in RCI, or even book a different HGVC resort, the penthouse unit would rent for big bux.

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From what I've observed over the last month, HGVC isn't making giant bulk deposits in March/April anymore. Like I mentioned above, when I looked in December I saw units available in RCI through September 2019. And when I looked yesterday they had added more weeks in late September up through October 5 for most of the Las Vegas locations. I suspect that they will be depositing additional later weeks in October 2019 sometime this month. So, to be first on the list I made my first ongoing search ever for the week I want in early November 2019, expecting it to be fulfilled when November deposits hit RCI from HGVC.

My comment above was that I believe that all weeks that HGVC deposits to RCI are from owner inventory and not developer inventory. That's why I think it was so odd that HGVC weeks were appearing almost 2 years before check-in date. If owners couldn't reserve them, HGVC should not have been able to take them & deposit them into RCI..that was my point. But that appears to have stopped now. Since what is appearing in RCI now is under 9 months, they don't seem to be depositing weeks so early now.
 
GeorgeJ. said:
From what I've observed over the last month, HGVC isn't making giant bulk deposits in March/April anymore. Like I mentioned above, when I looked in December I saw units available in RCI through September 2019. And when I looked yesterday they had added more weeks in late September up through October 5 for most of the Las Vegas locations. I suspect that they will be depositing additional later weeks in October 2019 sometime this month. So, to be first on the list I made my first ongoing search ever for the week I want in early November 2019, expecting it to be fulfilled when November deposits hit RCI from HGVC.

My comment above was that I believe that all weeks that HGVC deposits to RCI are from owner inventory and not developer inventory. That's why I think it was so odd that HGVC weeks were appearing almost 2 years before check-in date. If owners couldn't reserve them, HGVC should not have been able to take them & deposit them into RCI..that was my point. But that appears to have stopped now. Since what is appearing in RCI now is under 9 months, they don't seem to be depositing weeks so early now.
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I can deposit my 2021 points into RCI right now. It makes sense that they use those points for 2 years down.
 
dayooper said:
I can deposit my 2021 points into RCI right now. It makes sense that they use those points for 2 years down.
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I wonder if they pull a week right then & there from your home week in 2021 and put it into RCI?
 
GeorgeJ. said:
I wonder if they pull a week right then & there from your home week in 2021 and put it into RCI?
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That would be my guess, or at least what would be equivalent points (most 2 bedrooms red season exchanges would cost me 4800 points). Or maybe they have a deal with RCI and those bulk deposits are the "exchange."
 
SmithOp said:
The one that always surprises me are the penthouse units at Lagoon.
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As someone who has exchanged into one of those, I am grateful but also (very) surprised. Other systems have gotten serious about only depositing "leftovers" with RCI (Disney, Wyndham) and I'm not sure why Hilton doesn't follow suit.
 
GeorgeJ. said:
From what I've observed over the last month, HGVC isn't making giant bulk deposits in March/April anymore. Like I mentioned above, when I looked in December I saw units available in RCI through September 2019. And when I looked yesterday they had added more weeks in late September up through October 5 for most of the Las Vegas locations. I suspect that they will be depositing additional later weeks in October 2019 sometime this month. So, to be first on the list I made my first ongoing search ever for the week I want in early November 2019, expecting it to be fulfilled when November deposits hit RCI from HGVC.

My comment above was that I believe that all weeks that HGVC deposits to RCI are from owner inventory and not developer inventory. That's why I think it was so odd that HGVC weeks were appearing almost 2 years before check-in date. If owners couldn't reserve them, HGVC should not have been able to take them & deposit them into RCI..that was my point. But that appears to have stopped now. Since what is appearing in RCI now is under 9 months, they don't seem to be depositing weeks so early now.
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I believe that for most of the big systems like Hilton, Marriott, etc. that bulk-bank weeks, the program terms and conditions give the program manager the right to forecast usage by owners and to allocate inventory to various uses based on those projections. In other words, HGVC would know from general experience what percentage of the various unit types are used by owners, club bookings, RCI exchanges, etc for any given time period/season. They then use those projections to pre-deposit bulk inventory to RCI, probably as a result of their contracts with RCI. I would suspect they are probably conservative with these pre-deposits, meaning if they think, for example, 20% of the 2BR intervals for a given week at a specific resort would be elected for RCI use by the owners, the initial bulk deposit made well in advance might be for something less than that - maybe 10% or 15%, just a guess - so they have some slack and don't over-commit inventory to RCI. Then as owners start actually making their usage choices, they may refine their projections and make other deposits as they go. I think that's how most of the big systems operate.
 
Either way, we will know in a couple of months if they make a large deposit of 2020 weeks.


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GeorgeJ. said:
Back a year or two ago I noticed that when I looked at available RCI inventory online, I would see inventory for HGVC resorts in Las Vegas more than a year out. Maybe 15-24 months in advance. Which I thought was odd since you could only book something 9-months out within the HGVC system or 12 months if it was a home week. My thought was, why was HGVC giving RCI inventory farther out than 9 months? It was unlikely it was developer inventory; most likely, HGVC timeshare owners inventory..

Last month I was online at RCI looking to book one of the HGVC resorts in Las Vegas for November 2019 but the inventory for each of the resorts only went out as far as September 2019...I thought maybe it was that my RCI account was only paid through October 2019 so I renewed it but the HGVC inventory did not extend out any further. I took another look yesterday and it was now out as far as October 5 2019. So it looks like they are only making deposits 9 months out now (which I think should have been happening all along).

Anyone else notice this RCI change with HGVC inventory?
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Just saw this now.
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GeorgeJ. said:
Back a year or two ago I noticed that when I looked at available RCI inventory online, I would see inventory for HGVC resorts in Las Vegas more than a year out. Maybe 15-24 months in advance. Which I thought was odd since you could only book something 9-months out within the HGVC system or 12 months if it was a home week. My thought was, why was HGVC giving RCI inventory farther out than 9 months? It was unlikely it was developer inventory; most likely, HGVC timeshare owners inventory..

Last month I was online at RCI looking to book one of the HGVC resorts in Las Vegas for November 2019 but the inventory for each of the resorts only went out as far as September 2019...I thought maybe it was that my RCI account was only paid through October 2019 so I renewed it but the HGVC inventory did not extend out any further. I took another look yesterday and it was now out as far as October 5 2019. So it looks like they are only making deposits 9 months out now (which I think should have been happening all along).

Anyone else notice this RCI change with HGVC inventory?
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In the past they have put inventory into RCI up to 18 months in advance. However you could NOT access this by booking through the HGVC portal to RCI. That portal still restricted you to the 9 month mark. You needed a separate NON HGVC RCI account. I have a straight up weeks account and a Portal Account via Wyndham. I have booked these HGVC units in the past that way, but with the $25 per day resort fees added via this method it is not a great deal as it once was. Only a really rare booking would be worth it.

I have not looked at any HGVC inventory lately. I would have to go look and see what is currently available.

Well that is odd inventory is now back to showing only 9 months out, like you observed. That seems to be a change for Hilton, so who knows.
 
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They definitely did a big bulk bank for 2019 usage in spring 2018 (I'm at Kings Land now...). Depositing extra stuff part way through the year doesn't seem inconsistent with that to me. We will see if they do another big bulk of course. If they deposit just January 2020 at 9 months out that would be a big change for them.
 
As stated above, HGVC has made annual bulk deposit more than a year out for several years now. You can find all previous bulk deposits on the TUG Sightings Forum.

We’ve also confirmed that HGVC has placed a restriction on their portal to generally limit the display of HGVC inventory to 9 months in advance for RCI WEEKS and 10 months for RCI POINTS. You normally can’t see HGVC inventory beyond this point using the HGVC portal. There are some exceptions at the lesser demand resorts (Trump Las Vegas & Las Palmeras Orlando) which are currently showing a little beyond 9 months.

 
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Well, that didn't take long...I put in an ongoing search for the week in November I wanted in Las Vegas at HGVC yesterday and it matched overnight.

But if you look at what's available, HGVC is only going out through October 12 in the sitting RCI inventory. Yesterday it was through October 5. So it has advanced one week out now for booking HGVC in Las Vegas. Trump goes out through December though.

Maybe they requested that week to be deposited by HGVC to match my request? (this has all been from the non-HGVC RCI resort that I have -- NOT using HGVC points) Or HGVC has a pool of weeks that they can pull from to do a match? I specifically only asked for a match with ONE of the HGVC locations in Vegas.
 
GeorgeJ. said:
Well, that didn't take long...I put in an ongoing search for the week in November I wanted in Las Vegas at HGVC yesterday and it matched overnight.
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Interesting.. the inventory is sitting in RCI through December.

I wonder if that means HGVC members can still match the current inventory even if we can’t see it via the HGVC portal :ponder:

If that’s true HGVC members could setup ongoing requests before the next bulk is deposited for 2020 checkin dates :cool:

Here’s what I see with my non-HGVC RCI acct.
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He’s searching with an RCI account Phyllis, not the HGVC portal.

I doubt a human matched it, the OGS is an automated batch system.

Something else is going on that is restricting the dates you can view George.


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ah ok, I see GeorgeJ mentioned renewing his RCI account in his initial post.
Yes, I agree something isn’t right when you compare it to what I uploaded.
 
That's interesting. I just looked again and other than Trump, the HGVC locations in Las Vegas are only showing check-in dates as far in as October 12....such as this
Hilton Grand Vacations Club On Paradise #5426

Las Vegas, NV USA

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26-Jan-2019 - 12-Oct-2019

This is with looking online at the main RCI site with my Blue Whale week. Since you're seeing weeks into December, that would be why my ongoing search from yesterday came up with the November week for me overnight...But why would I not be seeing the weeks into December?
 
Just for the hell of it, I just did an RCI chat and the RCI rep said there is nothing available past October now at any HGVC Las Vegas resort except for Trump. Lwaysonvac, are you still seeing the same dates into December now? The rep implied that they may have been there this morning but all of the available weeks were now taken..that's hard to believe as the HGVC weeks in Vegas don't go all THAT quick..
 
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I had another question about the resort fee that Club couldn't answer...that being if I trade in through RCI but don't use the full week, am I going to be hit with a $25 charge for all 7 nights or just the nights I'm actually there? So I called the Flamingo and asked the front desk manager on duty and she told me that I'd only be charged the resort fee for the number of nights I was actually there rather than 7. I will be staying 3 nights and throwing the rest of the reservation away so I will only be charged $75 rather than $175 for the week. I forgot to ask if they would waive it entirely (probably not) if one is an HGVC owner but trades in through RCI. As I recall, Las Vegas Strip charges for parking (both for RCI exchanges and for people renting there through Hilton Hotels) but waives the parking fee if you are an HGVC owner and exchanging in through RCI...
 
I am only seeing through October for cash, and June for tpu. I only have 2 tpu leftover. I got here using the resort directory, the available units. This is Boulevard.

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Aha, This notice appears at the top, tpu is limited but cash is not. I see Trump still listed through December for cash.

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It didn’t change.

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GeorgeJ. said:
I had another question about the resort fee that Club couldn't answer...that being if I trade in through RCI but don't use the full week, am I going to be hit with a $25 charge for all 7 nights or just the nights I'm actually there? So I called the Flamingo and asked the front desk manager on duty and she told me that I'd only be charged the resort fee for the number of nights I was actually there rather than 7. I will be staying 3 nights and throwing the rest of the reservation away so I will only be charged $75 rather than $175 for the week. I forgot to ask if they would waive it entirely (probably not) if one is an HGVC owner but trades in through RCI. As I recall, Las Vegas Strip charges for parking (both for RCI exchanges and for people renting there through Hilton Hotels) but waives the parking fee if you are an HGVC owner and exchanging in through RCI...
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Thanks for the info regarding parking and the resort fee :thumbup:
 
alwysonvac said:
It didn’t change.

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What's the difference between rci.com and b2b.rci.com? When I tried b2b.rci.com (is this some site that rci uses to sell inventory to businesses rather than timeshare owners?) it would not take my usual RCI login..Would they have different inventory here? I could see RCI selling the HGVC bulk deposit weeks before they offer them to regular RCI members..and that would explain how the week I wanted in November suddenly appeared when I did the ongoing search overnight - they could have taken it from the b2b.rci inventory..
 
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