Has anyone not working but still employeed returned part of their salary?

[am1]

With people working from home with less productivity/ expenses etc or not working at all offered to take a cut in pay? I know some university administrations have done it and I am sure top management in companies but what about us regular people? Any teacher unions offered it in response to schools being closed for a while? How about others?

 

[Karen G]

We have some airline pilot friends who have taken a cut in pay to stay home for awhile.

 

[SueDonJ]

My daughter is a teacher in a high school Early Childhood program that results in high-schoolers graduating with the required certification to work in state-licensed daycare facilities. There is an onsite fee-based daycare facility in which the high-schoolers are hands-on caregivers, and which serves as her 2YO's daycare. The school and the daycare are obviously closed so she's working from home with her 2YO underfoot. She says that even though a curriculum has been developed and the teachers/students have all been provided Chromebooks to facilitate it, these are very difficult circumstances and she's putting in more hours that are garnering fewer results. High-schoolers, teenagers, being what they are, it is difficult for them to self-motivate and think of the ramifications beyond this crisis if they do not. She has students who suffer difficult home situations and she fears for their safety. She has students with IEP's and she fears that they're missing the benefit of their one-to-one aides. She worries about how much her professional growth as well as her students' educational growth will suffer in the longterm. She sympathizes with her students because they're at an age when being with their peers is validating to them. She also sympathizes with her administrators because she knows that the high-school classrooms and the daycare facility are de facto petri dishes for every ailment under the sun, so she and her fellow teachers are understandably afraid of schools reopening too soon. At the bottom of her Worry List but no less important, she worries that her 2YO is missing the structure of the daycare that she and her husband credit for some of his growth.

Teachers are always bombarded with criticisms about how relatively easy they have it, how their work days are shorter and they have more vacation time, how they should be grateful for whatever their municipalities pay them despite it not usually being a fair valuation of their responsibilities. Let's not ask them to take cuts from their paychecks now just because they're not working in their usual buildings.

 

[TravelTime]

My employees have all taken pay cuts since business is down. Fortunately, we got some PPP funds so I can match their salary for the next 8 weeks. My business is losing clients due to covid so I am down too. I am not sure if we will survive after the PPP funds run out.

I just read today that Stanford Health Care is doing a 20% paycut for all employees.

I am curious how many retired people would be willing to give up a percentage of their pension and social security to help fund other people who have lost their jobs?

At some point, we all need to pay for the economic losses and to fund the relief programs the government has put in place. I am assuming it will be a combination of more layoffs, government budget cuts, reductions in government benefits, pay cuts and tax increases. I think we will all have the day of reckoning. I hope we will all not complain about it. At least we are alive. We will all need to learn to live with less to take care of the most needy in society.

 

[MrockStar]

My daughter is a teacher in a high school Early Childhood program that results in high-schoolers graduating with the required certification to work in state-licensed daycare facilities. There is an onsite fee-based daycare facility in which the high-schoolers are hands-on caregivers, and which serves as her 2YO's daycare. The school and the daycare are obviously closed so she's working from home with her 2YO underfoot. She says that even though a curriculum has been developed and the teachers/students have all been provided Chromebooks to facilitate it, these are very difficult circumstances and she's putting in more hours that are garnering fewer results. High-schoolers, teenagers, being what they are, it is difficult for them to self-motivate and think of the ramifications beyond this crisis if they do not. She has students who suffer difficult home situations and she fears for their safety. She has students with IEP's and she fears that they're missing the benefit of their one-to-one aides. She worries about how much her professional growth as well as her students' educational growth will suffer in the longterm. She sympathizes with her students because they're at an age when being with their peers is validating to them. She also sympathizes with her administrators because she knows that the high-school classrooms and the daycare facility are de facto petri dishes for every ailment under the sun, so she and her fellow teachers are understandably afraid of schools reopening too soon. At the bottom of her Worry List but no less important, she worries that her 2YO is missing the structure of the daycare that she and her husband credit for some of his growth.

Teachers are always bombarded with criticisms about how relatively easy they have it, how their work days are shorter and they have more vacation time, how they should be grateful for whatever their municipalities pay them despite it not usually being a fair valuation of their responsibilities. Let's not ask them to take cuts from their paychecks now just because they're not working in their usual buildings.

My wife is a teacher, is 2 credits shy of her masters degree and puts in way more hours than i do and makes 1/3 less pay. Less pay? No way.

 

[billymach4]

"With people working from home with less productivity/ expenses etc "

WHAT? Work from home = Less Productivity. DW works for a Health Insurance Company. Updating records of all Covid Hospitals in NYC! She has people calling families to inquire about their status.... Guess what .. You have not heard from the Insured because they are DEAD! Working longer hours no increase in salary either. No OT.

All of the above Working From Home ... By design.

I am working from home to stay safe. I pay my share of taxes. Gov't will take it back in due time!

 

[CalGalTraveler]

How about politicians?

 

[PigsDad]

With people working from home with less productivity

My company's management has actually said they have seen an increase in productivity since they requested all of us to work from home (a couple of weeks before the SAH orders were issued). It will be interesting to see what, if anything, management will do differently after this is all over.

Kurt

 

[geekette]

My company's management has actually said they have seen an increase in productivity since they requested all of us to work from home (a couple of weeks before the SAH orders were issued). It will be interesting to see what, if anything, management will do differently after this is all over.

Kurt

Yes, I always did better without the distractions and constant meetings. Were I the manager, I would certainly be understanding that sudden home school and health issues could impact productivity for even the most stellar employee. I would definitely not ask for funds back!

 

[WVBaker]

Surveying 700 workers across numerous industries in America, the study found that 47% of workers would take a pay cut to work more hours from home. Frankly, factoring in the cost of gas, commute time, dealing with chatty co-workers time and the cost of shirts that tuck in, this makes sense. This number drops to 40% for workers over 45, likely because they have families they want to escape from.

The younger set (18-34) expects work from home as an option in a lot of scenarios, so that number jumps up to 50%. Additionally, 68% of workers would take a 10% pay cut to work from home. The gist here is that there is a recognized benefit to working at home that justifies taking a hit on the paycheck. Some of us got lucky and ended up working from home due to attrition, but a lot of workers have to fight for the right to (party) work at home.

Study Shows Workers Will Take Pay Cut To Work Remote And Live In Microsoft Teams

Remote working continues to grow in popularity as both a desire of workers and thanks to apps like Microsoft teams, is a viable option.

www.forbes.com

Perhaps pay should be determined by percentage of production, either at place of employment or at home. Depending of course if the employment can be done at home.

 

[geekette]

...Perhaps pay should be determined by percentage of production,


Sure, if you figure in Degree of Difficulty. I don't want to be penalized for taking on the difficult projects while Newbie Nancy hits softballs all day.

I further don't think humans should be treated as robots, where productivity is the only thing that matters. Some people work fast, some work slow, some do good work, some do not. I would not penalize a slow careful worker whose output sailed through QC every time but reward the fast sloppy worker whose product usually requires fixing.

Every human being is different and cannot be held to same standard as same-every-time robots. Once execs counting beans are held to productivity standards, then it can float down the chain.

 

[WVBaker]

Every human being is different and cannot be held to same standard as same-every-time robots. Once execs counting beans are held to productivity standards, then it can float down the chain.

That is true however, based on required production needed for any job, all employees should be held to the same standard if the pay for a job is the same. A performance is based on and compared to other employees performing the same job and not "same-every-time robots". Unless you're comparing "robots" of course.

Right or wrong, fair or not, corporate executives are held to a different standard based on their position and job description.

 

[DrQ]

My company's management has actually said they have seen an increase in productivity since they requested all of us to work from home (a couple of weeks before the SAH orders were issued). It will be interesting to see what, if anything, management will do differently after this is all over.

Kurt

I wake up at the same time in the morning, so I use the time I usually spend commuting working. In my profession, as long as I have a broadband internet connection, I can be productive. But, that also means I could be outsourced.

 

[MrockStar]

I wake up at the same time in the morning, so I use the time I usually spend commuting working. In my profession, as long as I have a broadband internet connection, I can be productive. But, that also means I could be outsourced.

Unfortunately yes, it has happened to alot of Call center workers, helpdesk, exactly. India, Philippines.

 

[geekette]

....A performance is based on and compared to other employees performing the same job

This is not necessarily true. I suppose it depends on what you do for a living and how easy to actually compare work output among employees. On my last team of 7, we all had the same job description and titles but did vastly different work.

Most jobs are not everyone making the same widget with exact same conditions, requirements, etc. Performance can often be measured by the measurer and not have anything to do with output or objective standards. Nobody should assume that all management is honorable and trustworthy.

 

[buckor]

My daughter is a teacher in a high school Early Childhood program that results in high-schoolers graduating with the required certification to work in state-licensed daycare facilities. There is an onsite fee-based daycare facility in which the high-schoolers are hands-on caregivers, and which serves as her 2YO's daycare. The school and the daycare are obviously closed so she's working from home with her 2YO underfoot. She says that even though a curriculum has been developed and the teachers/students have all been provided Chromebooks to facilitate it, these are very difficult circumstances and she's putting in more hours that are garnering fewer results. High-schoolers, teenagers, being what they are, it is difficult for them to self-motivate and think of the ramifications beyond this crisis if they do not. She has students who suffer difficult home situations and she fears for their safety. She has students with IEP's and she fears that they're missing the benefit of their one-to-one aides. She worries about how much her professional growth as well as her students' educational growth will suffer in the longterm. She sympathizes with her students because they're at an age when being with their peers is validating to them. She also sympathizes with her administrators because she knows that the high-school classrooms and the daycare facility are de facto petri dishes for every ailment under the sun, so she and her fellow teachers are understandably afraid of schools reopening too soon. At the bottom of her Worry List but no less important, she worries that her 2YO is missing the structure of the daycare that she and her husband credit for some of his growth.

Teachers are always bombarded with criticisms about how relatively easy they have it, how their work days are shorter and they have more vacation time, how they should be grateful for whatever their municipalities pay them despite it not usually being a fair valuation of their responsibilities. Let's not ask them to take cuts from their paychecks now just because they're not working in their usual buildings.

I, too, am a teacher. I teach middle school math (5 classes across 4 grades/curriculums). The amount of work I am putting in during this time is through the roof...and now that students know that can't fail if they don't turn work in, I am the one stressing about their mathematical futures...many don't care, but I still have to try and get work from them.

I am required to be available from 9am to 3pm for student help, questions, etc....no biggie. However, MS students, left to their own devices, dont wake up until noon...so, I'm fielding calls, video conferences, and emails until late into the evening when I should have time with my family (if a student asks a question, no matter the time, I'm gonna help them...they need it right now). I've helped students as late as 1am....but sure, pay cut.

The country has been heralding how teachers are "heroes" for what they've been doing...but that only goes so far. Our State informed us last week to expect a minimum 10% funding cut for next school year due to lost tax revenues from this. So, that means no step increases for experience this year, or even the glimmer of hope for a percent increase.

There is a misconception that teachers get paid AND get summers off! What's not to love, right?! Well, most people don't realize we are on contract. My salary is for 10 months of work...I choose to spread it out over 12 months (making less than someone else getting a salary for 12 months) so I get paid during that "summer vacation" everyone is so envious about....but sure, I'll take even less money for doing more work.

And let's not talk about next year...I am still required to teach every standard for every grade level I teach AND get them caught up from the slower pace I am having to go now because "school is too hard at home...we just don't know how teachers do this every day!"

My own daughters, in my classes, have to wait until I finish helping my other students to help them. My wife is also a teacher at the same school (different grade and subject)...same thing. So, not only am I still teaching all my classes (I record video lessons, do video recording of homework solutions, etc) I also still have to find time to be a parent to my 2 kids who need help with their work.

"Heroes." Yeah right.

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[MrockStar]

Negative. Not happing thank God for the union contract.

 

[dioxide45]

No pay cut. Corporations would already be saving plenty on real estate and utilities. They should get more savings from labor? There shouldn't be a reduction in productivity with work from home.

 

[bogey21]

The country has been heralding how teachers are "heroes" for what they've been doing...but that only goes so far. Our State informed us last week to expect a minimum 10% funding cut for next school year due to lost tax revenues from this. So, that means no step increases for experience this year, or even the glimmer of hope for a percent increase.

"Heroes." Yeah right.

You still have a job and are getting paid. Too many are not...

George

 

[Patri]

Thousands of districts across the country are being forced to furlough teachers, freeze salaries, and cut programs just to provide services to educate the students at all. It is ugly. Everyone has to sacrifice something for our country to pull out of this. And these budget issues are before schools know what the fall will even look like. Tremendous expenses will be incurred if social distancing continues and schools actually open. If they don't, I feel sympathy for the kids and their parents.

 

[MrockStar]

Challenging times no doubt.

 

[Sugarcubesea]

My company has decided that no cost of living or performance increases will happen this year. I work for an automotive company and continue to hope the auto industry can start back up so all of the suppliers can start making sales...

 

[buckor]

You still have a job and are getting paid. Too many are not...

George

Never said I wasn't...the question was whether I would take a pay cut....I am working more now, not less...as you stated, some arent working at all.

Are we supposed to allow some to work to support all those who aren't? Isn't that socialism?

I am not saying I am not blessed. However, what would be said if teachers were out of work right now and others had jobs? I guess everyone would just be saying we get a longer summer, right?

 

[buckor]

Duplicate

 

[turkel]

My employees have all taken pay cuts since business is down. Fortunately, we got some PPP funds so I can match their salary for the next 8 weeks. My business is losing clients due to covid so I am down too. I am not sure if we will survive after the PPP funds run out.

I just read today that Stanford Health Care is doing a 20% paycut for all employees.


At some point, we all need to pay for the economic losses and to fund the relief programs the government has put in place. I am assuming it will be a combination of more layoffs, government budget cuts, reductions in government benefits, pay cuts and tax increases. I think we will all have the day of reckoning. I hope we will all not complain about it. At least we are alive. We will all need to learn to live with less to take care of the most needy in society.

Shame on Stanford Healthcare! I can tell you my work has been far more difficult and stressful during this time. I didn’t get to shelter in place or stay home and be safe. I had to walk into a Hospital with Covid patients and for weeks be denied the simple use of a mask, forget about N95’s. Those that work in healthcare deserve combat pay.

I already take care of the most needy in society.

If my hospital rewards me with a 20% pay cut I guess I would retire 6 months early.