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Final salespitch for Discovery Program - can we skip it?

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I'm hoping someone can help me.

We bought a discovery package with Wyndham two years ago. We bought 300k points which was enough to do two week long trips. When I booked the trips (via phone, because discovery members don't have access to online booking) I asked the rep on the phone what obligations we had to attend other sales pitches during our trip. The rep told me that as part of our discovery program, we would need to attend one presentation - essentially a final sales pitch to try to get us to convert discovery into permanent ownership - and that the presentation could be scheduled at either of our two trips at our discretion.

Our first trip was a few weeks ago, to Grand Desert. We were asked in the lobby at check in to sign up for our sales presentation so we did. It was one hour of one-on-one meeting with a sales rep, and went exactly as I expected as they tried to get us to purchase. We did not purchase anything (and don't plan to). We left the presentation amicably and enjoyed the rest of our trip with no further requests for meetings from the resort staff.

I should note that we put down a standard $150 deposit at check in. I had assumed we might lose the deposit if we refused to attend the sales pitch, although when I read the paper they had me sign I did not see that mentioned in writing. When I asked the check in person, they also told me that the deposit was just a standard damages/room service fee that had nothing to do with sales, and that we would have it refunded barring any damage or room service charges. My H and I are still the type to honor our commitments so we attended the sales pitch because we said we would, and because I was told when we bought Discovery that we would be expected to attend one presentation at the end of the program. I figured this was our one presentation - get it over with and out of the way. We did get the deposit back without issue.

Our last trip is approaching in two weeks, to Bonnet Creek. We are doing Disney and have a jam packed schedule on the trip. It is one of the reasons I purposely scheduled our sales pitch for our Grand Desert trip, because I didn't want to have to devote the time to a sales presentation in between all of our Disney itinerary.

We got a call from Bonnet Creek today. It was a saleswoman, who spoke to my husband and told him that we HAVE to attend a sales presentation during our trip. He scheduled it with her over the phone. She called it an "exit survey" and said it will take 60 minutes. When he asked her if it was something we could do via phone, she said it had to be done in person.

I was never told this was a requirement of the program. I thought we already paid our dues by attending the sales pitch on our Grand Desert trip, and truthfully I don't want to spend time on our trip to Disney dealing with this. I assume even though it's called an exit survey that it's really just another sales pitch (but if anyone else is familiar with this please correct me if I am wrong).

Has anyone else dealt with this? Is there any penalty if we just don't go to the meeting during our trip? I am worried that we might incur some kind of fine or something, but I don't really know what leverage they could have against us.

We love the Wyndham properties we've seen, but we do not intend to buy an ownership via Wyndham.

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I'm hoping someone can help me.

We bought a discovery package with Wyndham two years ago. We bought 300k points which was enough to do two week long trips. When I booked the trips (via phone, because discovery members don't have access to online booking) I asked the rep on the phone what obligations we had to attend other sales pitches during our trip. The rep told me that as part of our discovery program, we would need to attend one presentation - essentially a final sales pitch to try to get us to convert discovery into permanent ownership - and that the presentation could be scheduled at either of our two trips at our discretion.

Our first trip was a few weeks ago, to Grand Desert. We were asked in the lobby at check in to sign up for our sales presentation so we did. It was one hour of one-on-one meeting with a sales rep, and went exactly as I expected as they tried to get us to purchase. We did not purchase anything (and don't plan to). We left the presentation amicably and enjoyed the rest of our trip with no further requests for meetings from the resort staff. I should note that we put down a standard $150 deposit at check in. I had assumed we might lose the deposit if we refused to attend the sales pitch, although when I read the paper they had me sign I did not see that mentioned in writing and when I asked the check in person, they also told me that the deposit was just a standard damages/room service fee that had nothing to do with sales, and that we would have it refunded barring any damage or room service charges. My H and I are still the type to honor our commitments so we attended the sales pitch because we said we would, and because I was told when we bought Discovery that we would be expected to attend one presentation at the end of the program. We did get the deposit back without issue.

Our last trip is approaching in two weeks, to Bonnet Creek. We are doing Disney and have a jam packed schedule on the trip. It is one of the reasons I purposely scheduled our sales pitch for our Grand Desert trip, because I didn't want to have to devote the time to a sales presentation in between all of our Disney itinerary.

We got a call from Bonnet Creek today. It was a saleswoman, who spoke to my husband and told him that we HAVE to attend a sales presentation during our trip. He scheduled it with her over the phone. She called it an "exit survey" and said it will take 60 minutes. When he asked her if it was something we could do via phone, she said it had to be done in person. I was never told this was a requirement of the program, and truthfully I don't want to spend time on our trip to Disney dealing with this. I assume even though it's called an exit survey that it's really just another sales pitch (but if anyone else is familiar with this please correct me if I am wrong).

Has anyone else dealt with this? Is there any penalty if we just don't go to the meeting during our trip? I am worried that we might incur some kind of fine or something, but I don't really know what leverage they could have against us.

We love the Wyndham properties we've seen, but we do not intend to buy an ownership via Wyndham.

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If you were required to attend one presentation, and you did, then your obligation has been met.

An "exit survey" is a one-on-one sales pitch...I've done one. They came to.our room. Thankfully it was with a sales person we had gone through a regular presentation with...he was done within 15 minutes.

Enjoy you Disney vacation!

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If you were required to attend one presentation, and you did, then your obligation has been met.

An "exit survey" is a one-on-one sales pitch...I've done one. They came to.our room. Thankfully it was with a sales person we had gone through a regular presentation with...he was done within 15 minutes.

Enjoy you Disney vacation!

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Oh geez. They came to your room?! So there's no avoiding these people?

I guess I'm just wondering if anyone has simply not participated in the sales pitch and been penalized for that in any way.

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Oh geez. They came to your room?! So there's no avoiding these people?

I guess I'm just wondering if anyone has simply not participated in the sales pitch and been penalized for that in any way.

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I have done a lot of them. But by the sound of it it has changed. It used to be a real survey. It was a corporate guy, so he said, and he basically wanted to know why we did not buy.

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You can go and say no. Or show the sale weasel how much 300K points cost on eBay and see if he does a price match.

Did you look on you sales contract for the Discovery Points? Does it say you have to attend? If so, how many does it say? Does it say there is a penalty if you don't attend? Did you inform them that you already attended at Vegas?

Bonnet Creek is one of the worst presentations to go to because of they just don't understand "NO".

Maybe we should al get TUG whistle we can blow at presentations. :ponder:
 
I have done a lot of them. But by the sound of it it has changed. It used to be a real survey. It was a corporate guy, so he said, and he basically wanted to know why we did not buy.

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Ours was structured as a survey...how did you like the room, the resort, etc? However, there was a sales component, too. When he got to that point, because we had just seen him a few months prior, he stated that we probably weren't interested in any more points...i explained we were not.

At our first encounter I was able to teach him some things due to the info here on Tugg! That's why when he saw me he wasn't too pushy about the sale.

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I was never told this was a requirement of the program. I thought we already paid our dues by attending the sales pitch on our Grand Desert trip, and truthfully I don't want to spend time on our trip to Disney dealing with this. I assume even though it's called an exit survey that it's really just another sales pitch (but if anyone else is familiar with this please correct me if I am wrong).

Has anyone else dealt with this? Is there any penalty if we just don't go to the meeting during our trip? I am worried that we might incur some kind of fine or something, but I don't really know what leverage they could have against us.

We love the Wyndham properties we've seen, but we do not intend to buy an ownership via Wyndham.
We've purchased two different Discovery packages through the years. The first one we attended one meeting on our final trip with the points and told them 'no' and signed a waiver document throwing away our equity ( credit for money already paid toward a points contract ).

For our second package we just said no every time to a meeting and refused to spend a minute in their office to sign papers. Nothing happened, we just had more relaxing time and less hassle.

I would recommend you look at the contract you signed and see if a meeting or waiver signing is a provision of your contract. That is where any requirement or penalty is provided and not what a sales person says on the phone or at the desk.
 
We've purchased two different Discovery packages through the years. The first one we attended one meeting on our final trip with the points and told them 'no' and signed a waiver document throwing away our equity ( credit for money already paid toward a points contract ).

For our second package we just said no every time to a meeting and refused to spend a minute in their office to sign papers. Nothing happened, we just had more relaxing time and less hassle.

I would recommend you look at the contract you signed and see if a meeting or waiver signing is a provision of your contract. That is where any requirement or penalty is provided and not what a sales person says on the phone or at the desk.
Thank you all for the responses.

This is what we did at our meeting at Grand Desert - signed the document that said we are not purchasing and that we understand we are forfeiting our equity.

I've read all the documents we brought home when we signed the original discovery package two years ago and the only thing I could find was that we were required to attend one final sales presentation. Which we attended, to my understanding.

I am a bit paranoid however and think to myself- what if I lost a paper somewhere, or didn't get all of the papers I was supposed to at the meeting? It was two years ago so I can't remember all of the details off hand. Probably makes me sound crazy. ;) I didn't honestly expect any penalties to be super steep - but wondered if maybe there was a fine involved in refusing to attend.

It's heartening to hear from some others that this might really be a true exit survey and not another sales pitch. I am just accustomed to dealing with these people and assume that any meeting that we attend will include a high pressure sales pitch no matter what fancy title they choose to give the meeting. :)

If we didn't have such a packed schedule for our upcoming trip, I'd just attend and not think anything of it. I just didn't want to risk missing any of our scheduled reservations at Disney due to a meeting we don't have time for!

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Put your fears to rest. You've already signed the pseudo-obligatory "waiver" (this is a fear tactic sales uses). Sales will angle at you that you are stupid for knowingly "loosing equity" in your "investment. You are NOT. Amazing peole buy into that approach but they do all the time.

They have no real good way to come after you for NOT attending another presentation aka "exit interview" because you already did it. Doing it twice is just re-signing the invented waiver, which you have already done, and then capturing you for another hard push to buy.

Go on vacation, enjoy your time. Bonnet Creek is lovely, a good choice for your last use of points and STAY AWAY FROM SALES!!
 
If you are required to go just tell the salesperson that Wyndham has a great product and that you have decided to buy, but on the resale market. Tell them the extra benefits they offer thru direct purchase are just not worth the money Wyndham wants.
That should shut em down.
 
Personally, being a 'smart a..' to Wyndham these days may NOT be a good idea. Seems they are getting into the 'mess with the resale owners' mind set because:

a) Wyndham is a SALES company and populated with employees who make bigger paychecks by selling over being a provider of a vacation experience.
b) More owners buying resale contracts means less commissions to Wyndham employees and up thru the sales management chain.
c) Wyndham's top managers are all from the SALES chain of command and a paid more than the resort staff's chain of command.

Sales departments DRIVE the engine of cash into the corporate coffers. Rubbing it into the staff selling timeshares and the sales chain of command ... they will strike back ... effecting resale contract usage and fees.

The Wyndham bosses can change the rules in using what we own and the FEEs can be changed also.
 
Hi Everyone - We got back from our stay at Bonnet Creek a couple of days ago so I thought I'd give an update on how this played out!

I think I mentioned in my opener that my husband scheduled an "exit survey" via phone ahead of our trip. He had scheduled it for 8am on a Weds. He isn't the type to ask questions so when they told him he "had to" schedule it when he took the call, he just went ahead and did it.

When we checked in to BC, no mention was made of this meeting at all. We were given a folder at check in with maps etc and sent on our way. I thought to myself, wow that was easy! Paid our standard $150 security deposit for any incurred charges.

Later on, I went through the folder and saw a single piece of paper with a "receipt" for our scheduled meeting that included the length of the meeting at 60 mins. Ugh. They did tell us 60 mins on the phone too...but still, ugh.

Tuesday rolls around, we've got a super packed schedule at Disney and we are exhausted. Weds was the only day on our schedule for the week where we could sleep in and I was NOT happy to give up my sleep for an 8am meeting. My husband called down to the front desk and asked if we could cancel our meeting. The front desk manager told us that if we did not attend our meeting, that we would forfeit our $150 deposit. Grrr. I was pretty mad. Fine - so we then just rescheduled to a later time on Weds morning instead of 8am.

Weds morning we show up to the "owners lounge" Where they have all of us schmucks waiting to meet the sales people. A receptionist comes out to the entire group and tries to herd us into a presentation room. I stopped her and said I wasn't attending any presentation, that we would talk one on one with someone but I was not willing to do a presentation. Im not sure who the others in the group were, whether we were all discovery owners or not. She left us in the lobby area and went and got a sales person.

The sales person took us to a "show room" (the presidential suites used for tours) where we sat at the table. There was no survey. It was just another sales pitch. Same exact one we had gone through at Grand Desert in May, except there was some nonsense included about a new points system. I was very abrupt with the sales lady and told her I'd be happy to sign whatever release form she needed from me to say she made us an offer and we declined it, but that she could not say or do anything to get us to purchase. She was pretty unfriendly with us after that and tried to lay on all the typical closing speeches of trying to get us to reconsider. My personal favorite "you are cheating your kids out of a legacy that they could cherish long after you are gone". My kids were with us since we didn't have anyone else to watch them, and the kids club area they usually stick them in was full to capacity. I think I laughed out loud at her when she said that lol.

Anyway - at the 60 min mark I got up and said we fulfilled our time and we are done now. She took us out to the checkout desk (almost slammed the door in my face when she left us there) and we were given a $75 American express card for our time, so that made me slightly happier for giving up those 60 mins.

Our discovery package is now officially over! We loved BC by the way, but if we go back I'll be looking to rent from airbnb or similar.

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