Fairshare Plus & Plus Partners

[siki]

What is the difference? Do you get these when you buy resale?

 

[Jya-Ning]

Plus is the whole FF point system backbone. All other FF program is built on top of it. And it is what you will get when you buy resell. When people say FF system, they actually mean FF Fairshare Plus program.

Plus partner is an add on. It allows you to access RCI points program if your 1st resort is RCI affliated. It also allows you to acess the points for hotel/air/park ticket/car rental usually at an unfavorable rate ( I believe you have to have MF around $3 per 1K range to make it working). It does not transfer on resell, you need to pay $2,395 or buy a retail to add them.

Jya-Ning

 

[siki]

It allows you to access RCI points program if your 1st resort is RCI affliated.

What exactly do you mean by this?

 

[Jya-Ning]

When you purchase a FF point package, FF will set a external exchange company based on the resorts you purchased. Most FF resorts affliate with RCI, so more likely you will get RCI as your FF designate exchange company. There are serveral FF resorts affliate with II, Star Island - Orlando, Governor Green -Williamsburg are the two that popped in my head. If you bought them, your official exchange company is with II. What it means is if you want, FF will deposit a week to their assigned exchange company and you can use that week to do exchage within that exchange company.

If your official exchange company is with II, as my understanding, you can not access RCI point inventories even if you joint the Plus Partner program.

But if you just want to use the point to make FF internal reservation, or deposit to the designate exchange company, or any other independent small
companies, you don't need plus partnership.

Jya-Ning

 

[siki]

I think I'm still confused. This stuff is making my head spin.

If I buy resale, I thought I could still trade my points through RCI even if I was not part of Plus Partners...is that right? What is the advantage of Plus Partners in regards to exchanging?

Also, could you explain VIP status?

Thanks for all your time.

 

[Jya-Ning]

If I buy resale, I thought I could still trade my points through RCI even if I was not part of Plus Partners...is that right?

That is true

What is the advantage of Plus Partners in regards to exchanging?

RCI has created two programs - week based and point base. Week based you deposit a week, you get a week. Point base each day is assigned a point values, you deposit becomes point and you can spend it like money (there are a lot of extra charge that cost real money). RCI is trying to converted to point based, so some resorts will deposit to only week side, some deposit to point side, some deposit to both side. Currently, I believe it is 1 (point) to 9 (week) inventory wise, but it is about 3 years ago data. Week side can not get to point base inventory. So it depends on how they eventually go. But look lik if RCI does not try to push it, week side may still be there for another 50 or 60 years.

Also, could you explain VIP status?

Thanks for all your time.

Resell does not give you VIP status. So no need to worry about it. It is a sell tool. It gives you a lot of benefits that you can achieve most of them without VIP or live without them most of the time. You need to know if you buy retail, it is 10 times cost than resell, so if you don't like it, you will be toast. If you buy resell, and figure out you can use the FF system ad like it, and you do need 300k or 5000k or 1M, then you can start thinking about it. Worse case is you can still use or just sell your resell point.

You should not worry too much on thse add on, those make the system looks very complicate.

You should just looking at the resort internally any system covers, and see if you can use them in the next 10 years, then figure out what you usally travel habbits. Are you travel just weekend? Are you travel longer? and then you can look at each system's reservation rules to see if you get penalize or you get good treatment, then you can compare the cost for your travel size, the purchase price for say 2 BR worth point, the MF (or range) for these points. Is MF structure look reasonable to you? Or is it favor big owner so they can spend less per point base? Then you can start purchase or ask question to check their inventory and see if their reservation rule is good or bad for you.

Most add on is just add on, their purpose is to create layers of complexity so they can sell you a very expensive product. And most of the add on will not be able to suvive in long term.

If you can not enjoy their basic system, no matter how good an add on, it does not help you at all. If you can, then it make sense to check different add on. And without try, none can tell you if it fit you or not.

Most point system are very simple. All the inventories that required by law to show to owner will open to their owner at certain time period, the owner has chance to borrow point or add extra vacation days or can save some of the points to next year or next few years. the owner can determine the size and location and time that fie their points. The complexity lays in how they restrict your usage internally so you will be grilled to spend more money to buy their product. You can worry these later.

Jya-Ning

 

[Bill4728]

Since this thread is all about FF, I'm moving to the FF (wyndham) board

 

[JMS]

A question about resale FF points. If you have a fixed week plus more points then can you get FFpoints for the "fixed" week?
Thanks for your answers.

 

[vincenton]

Yes you can convert your FF fixed week into points..
$2395 for the 1st week and $995 each after the 1st. Must be done at the same time.

FF fixed week must be in Fairfields system in order to be able to convert.

Vincent.

 

[Jya-Ning]

A question about resale FF points. If you have a fixed week plus more points then can you get FFpoints for the "fixed" week?
Thanks for your answers.

Get contract number, call FF title dept first to check if it can be converted. The point should not be counted toward VIP though.

Jya-Ning

 

[acesneights]

FSP points don't have access to RCI Points no matter whether your first resort is RCI affiliated or not.

Your first FSP resort determines whether FF will make external exchange deposits with RCI or II.

Plus Partners gives you the option of accessing SOME of the non-FF RCI Points resorts inventory using the FSP to RCI weeks deposit generic grid.

With PP you can exchange your FSP points directly through the RCI Nightly Stays program into whatever Nightly Stays inventory is available using the fixed grid rather than the RCI Points value.

If you don't have PP you can only deposits Weeks with RCI or II using your FSP Points.

Stan

 

[JMS]

Would a person have both a fixed week and a second "week" that is in points only? Would the first week be useful in the Fairfield system or only at resort or RCI weeks?

 

[mshatty]

Would a person have both a fixed week and a second "week" that is in points only? Would the first week be useful in the Fairfield system or only at resort or RCI weeks?

JMS,

If you are talking about a non-FF fixed week, you can probably use it to get FSP points through their "PIC" [Personal Interval Choice] program when you make a developer purchase. The number of points that you get will depend on the season and unit size. You make a decision each year as to whether you want to deposit the week with FF to get points.

If you are talking about a fixed FF week. The only way to have it be useful in the FSP points program is to convert it (actually, it's an assignment) to the FF trust that manages the the FSP point program for FF/Wyn point owners. If you "convert" the week then you have the choice of reserving the week from 10 to 13 months out, or use the points it represents at other resorts from 10 month in. The cost to convert a week is $2395 for the first week, $995 for each week thereafter. FF/Wyn may require a developer purchase to do this and the conversion price would probably be in your purchase.

 

[Jya-Ning]

Would the first week be useful in the Fairfield system or only at resort or RCI weeks?

The first week is good at the resort and RCI deposits (or II deposit) and any small exchange company deposit if they accept that resort. It may work in some of the old exchange system FF has but very doubtful what you can get from them. Since FF has convert its FSP resort into RCI point if it is affliate with RCI, you will not be able to use that week for PFD to RCI point program.

Jya-Ning