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Extracting my dementia-suffering mother from Timeshare agreement in Scotland / UK - help please

Tammer_Stern

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I really hope someone can offer some solid advice on what I should do. All of the following is in Scotland. I was advised to try here by someone on reddit.

Context

My mum has been deteriorating for the last few years and is now in a nursing home with dementia. I have power of attorney and am dealing with her affairs.

One of the things I’m dealing with is my mum’s membership of a holiday club in Scotland. She bought this in 1987 – a “timeshare” arrangement with a week at the club and the chance to swap for week’s elsewhere in the world, in theory. The membership came with an obligation to pay an annual management charge for the upkeep of the holiday resort that she is a member of. Over the years, she had a week in March where she would use one of the holiday lodges.

The Problem

My mum was in hospital for a few months before going into a nursing home. She went into hospital in late 2019 and into a nursing home in May 2020. She has therefore been unable to use the holiday club from 2020 onwards. With the pandemic, no one would be using it anyway due to lockdown.

The first thing I came across was a letter from a debt management company (Network Credit Services) for a bill of £500 for the holiday club. I have gone through all my mum’s correspondence and emails (no mean feat) and have seen no other correspondence or bill for this amount. I phoned them and they explained what it was and suggested I contact the firm behind the holiday club (a large hotel group here in Scotland).

I contacted the hotel group to ask if this was genuine and, if so, what it relates to. After a lengthy lockdown delay, they said it is the management fee for 2020 (and since then 2021 has become due too). I explained my mum’s condition and asked how this can be cancelled along with her membership. They said that giving up membership can be done at specific times and requires payment of all outstanding management fees plus 4 years management fees in lieu of 4 years’ notice (So £2100 + £1000 management fees). They say that the membership can be sold or passed on to a family member – not likely to be appealing to anyone given the management fees.

I feel that 3 aspects of this are unfair and possibly may not be legally enforceable:

  • The management fees of £1,000 when no one can have been using the facilities due to lockdown. They will also be charging interest on this.
  • The termination fee of 4 years’ worth of fees is extortionate.
  • No means of getting out of this due to my mum’s health. I am not even sure what would happen if she were to die. They would probably try to pass the membership on to me.
As my mum’s attorney, I have to seek out the best value for money for her so cannot sanction paying over £3000 to cancel this arrangement as all her funds are going towards her Nursing Home fees of £4k a month.

I have read the holiday club’s constitution and it says that termination can be notified every 2 years and the termination payment is “determined from time to time by the Founding Member” (the parent company).

I have worked on product costs in Financial Services in my job and we are not allowed to have vague rules on how much we charge, that we can change from time to time, due to the Unfair Contract Terms Act - which makes me think this agreement is dodgy.
 
I wish I had better advice for you, but if your mother does not have the means to pay the money necessary to deed it back, then you need to tell them you will not pay a dime. I would make sure heirs' names are not on the ownership ahead of time.

Timeshares can be wonderful and maybe someone would take it, but I am not familiar with what your mom has.

The dilemma timeshares face is there is no viable resale market. If HOA's had lines of people ready to take on a timeshare membership (some actually do have that), then it would be easy to take weeks back. With less owners, the remaining owners bear the burden of the upkeep of the resort. That is the issue here.
 
I don't know what the legal framework is in Scotland, so what I say might not apply.

If this were in the US I would suggest that you simply don't pay and ignore all attempts to collect. In the US, the likely outcome would be damage to your Mum's credit rating. But given her condition, having her credit damaged would hardly be a concern. At some point the club will simply remove her account from their books.

This would work if her name is the only one listed as owner. If anyone else is listed as an owner as well, then that person's credit would take a hit as well.
 
Is this a Vacation Club? If so, your mother doesn't likely own the Timeshare, but an actual membership to use the facilities every year (i.e. Right to Use also known as RTU) very similar to what you see in the TUG Mexico Forum (which I suggest you may want to read for yourself). Those rights continue as long as the annual fees are paid.

Now I am not saying the property in Scotland is the same, but I think it is well worth looking into to help assist you in making a decision on how to proceed.

Not offering you legal advice but do suggest you explore what exactly she owns so you can formulate a plan moving forward.

Best of luck and welcome to TUG.



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I don't know that anyone here is all that familiar with property, and/or credit laws in Scotland. It might be instructive to know (a) if Mum actually OWN (is deeded) anything in this club. And (b) what are the penalties for non-payment. And (c) if any other family members are on this 'ownership'. As stated above, if the penalty is a credit score hit, it's unlikely that Mum needs credit at this point in her life. Once Mum has exhausted all her assets, paying for her upkeep, there is nothing for her creditors to assess. They'll move on and remove her name from the rolls.

If, on the other hand, Mum's estate is substantial, pay the due amount and chock it up to clearing Mum's accounts.

It's a tough decision for you, the executor. We wish you well.

Jim
 
You also need to find out if Mum abandons the property--can you decline the ownership after she passes? You may need to set up her will, or a codicil to her will, to specify what will happen to the membership.

Wait, I just realized you said she has dementia. Presumably she is not able to alter her will now. So please figure out the best way for you and any other heirs to decline this membership.
 
If she has a RTU membership, check to see when it expires. You may not have to keep it.
 
Do you know the name of the vacation club ?
 
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