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Did the Sales Presentation Today

amanda14

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Hi.

At Surfwatch currently and did the presentation. It went fine and anytime I wanted to bring up any knowledge I thought I had I was promptly met with me being incorrect. An example would be I commented that the Ritz Vacation Product Program was a disaster for many that bought into it. The response was most owners had no idea what they were purchasing. Anyway, their gaffe is my gain as being in MVC.

Here are some stats for anyone's that may care. Points are now at 12.66 and they expect an increase in September and in 2-3 years to be at $15 pp.

I "need" 3,500 to get to the Presidential level so that was kind of the focus. I have to say that I was surprised my wife felt a scare tactic (I don't think that was the case) at the inference that the trust will grow and grow where getting access to resorts will be a challenge. Not today but in the future.

They talked about how their focus will be in creating TS within their existing properties and I said "like Mayflower, San Diego and eventually South Beach, right?" I am no expert which is why when I read SueDon, Puck and Greg I laugh because I only understand 20% of what they are saying.

They offered incentives of 250K reward points or 2500 trust points at the break of ultimately $10.12 pp. I would be a hybrid owner where I can uses my points but have one foot in the door and priority within trust properties.

The cooler came in who doesn't make commission but was there because the spin off company and as a service to the shareholders and to ensure that the spin off company is very concerned that owners like me are aware, informed and won't say I told you so when later on the boat has sailed and points are at $15 or beyond.

They apparently are going to have some announcements in the fall and are in the midst of building a 12 million sales facility in HHI that will be their new base of sales in this area. They are also building private villas in HHI that will only be accessible to trust owners.

So I passed on it because while I know points will go up and not down, I don't view the trust as a threat today but maybe I am clueless.

Plus their interest rate is a ridiculous 13.99 or a little lower depending on what option I go with. I could get money cheaper obviously but not sure it's worth the hassle factor.

I could'nt reconcile dropping $35,420 on it (started at $44,310) today.

Would love feedback. Thanks
 
It will take a long time to be at $15 per point. They started in 2010 at 9.20 per point. It has been 5 years and they are only at 12.66. It will take them at least 5 years to be at $15 at the rate they are going. Back when I was at Kauai Lagoons, it was only 11.92 or something around that and that was like 2 years ago. Whenever they do a price increase, they only do about a 1% increase or anywhere from 0.08 - .15 increase each time. Not sure how often they increase but it seems like it may only be quarterly.
 
good evening....

Hypothetically...

How many points do you think one of the "privater villas" in HHI will go for!!! Based on the 3 bedroom MOC winter/summer numbers...I would guess 10,000 points for a week. How many pure Trust owners do you think that would have 10K points, especially when the average sale is 2,000 pts.

I would not worry about any property being open to Trust owners only. Please remember, there is no advantage to "hybrid" status as your Legacy points are NOT supermorphed... This is sales scare tactics at its best!!!

Please see Greg's thread "6206" experiment..His Trust points did not guarantee him Trust inventory as he had to move out of 6206...
 
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plus 1 Puck. I don't see anyway they are going to have enough individual trust buyers to support resort units costing 5000 trust points and limit those resorts to trust buyers only. As far as units requiring 10,000 point, well I guess there might be a few who have that many but we're talking $120,000 up front with nearly $5000 in MF.

At that point I'd be looking to rent non-timeshare condo's.
 
Amanda, Sounds like your sales presentation was similar to ours last week at MOC. Couldn't justify buying a hybrid at 7.91 pt solely on the basis that it is below current market.

I'll wait for the right resale week at MOC like Greg.

Enjoy the rest of your stay.
 
I totally forgot about Greg's 6206 situation! Thank you for confirming what my thoughts were on not pulling the trigger.
 
good evening...

Jim...

I just noticed that you and I are in a race for 2000 posts!!! I am 15 ahead with only 32 to go...

Off to Times Square Residence Inn tomorrow...

My oldest cash drain snagged a tee time on Bethpage Black Friday.... That's my treat... caddie too!!!!
 
Attended sales presentation at Oceana Palms last week. Went okay. Not high pressure, but did go over the 90 mins.

They had a new approach, explaining the "Reservation" bucket of inventory which included access to both the "Exchange" and "Trust" inventory without differentiation.

They indicated that my enrolled legacy weeks only had access to the "Exchange" inventory bucket and had no access to the "Trust" inventory bucket. A minimum purchase of a 1500 DC pts package would allow me entry into the "Reservation" bucket which has access to both. I believe this is incorrect? If not, does purchase of a small DC Pts package truly give me better access to trust inventory?

As an enrolled legacy week owner, can I rent DC pts? Or do I need to purchase a small DC Pts package in order to rent?
 
Attended sales presentation at Oceana Palms last week. Went okay. Not high pressure, but did go over the 90 mins.

They had a new approach, explaining the "Reservation" bucket of inventory which included access to both the "Exchange" and "Trust" inventory without differentiation.

They indicated that my enrolled legacy weeks only had access to the "Exchange" inventory bucket and had no access to the "Trust" inventory bucket. A minimum purchase of a 1500 DC pts package would allow me entry into the "Reservation" bucket which has access to both. I believe this is incorrect? If not, does purchase of a small DC Pts package truly give me better access to trust inventory?

As an enrolled legacy week owner, can I rent DC pts? Or do I need to purchase a small DC Pts package in order to rent?

Buying 1500 points will give you access to trust reservations up to 1500 points. You can't get a trust reservation for 1525 though.

I think however that trust only access is over-hyped my the sales reps. Most reservations even those 12 months out are coming out of the MVC exchange company. No trust points needed at all.
 
As an enrolled legacy week owner, can I rent DC pts? Or do I need to purchase a small DC Pts package in order to rent?

Yes, as an enrolled DC member, you can rent DC points. No need to have Trust points to rent....and you can rent either Legacy points or Trust points.
 
good evening...

Jim...

I just noticed that you and I are in a race for 2000 posts!!! I am 15 ahead with only 32 to go...

Off to Times Square Residence Inn tomorrow...

My oldest cash drain snagged a tee time on Bethpage Black Friday.... That's my treat... caddie too!!!!

Don't know about getting there before you. Right now my youngest cash drain, as you aptly refer to them, is visiting from TN with four of my Grandkids. His sister and brother and their four along with various cousins are over visiting them almost every day. Sunday we had 22 kids in the pool. It's a little hectic.

Hope you are enjoying the RI. I've never stayed there but my middle son stays there when he's in town on business and likes it. Have fun on the Black.
 
good afternoon....

smidge of a misunderstanding...

oldest cash drain is almost a "scratch" golfer... I am a hack that can't break 100... no way I go on Bethpage Black and ruin the day for myself and the other golfers that have waited months for the chance....

Oldest will be on with 3 of his buddies... Good ol' dad picking up tab!!!!

However, if there is a Bethpage Black equivalent of a Hockey rink..I am all in...

So Jim, you have grandkids a.k.a cashdrains squared..."CD2"
 
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