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Desert Willow

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My family and I just returned from a few days in Palm Springs and went on an information "update" at the Westin Mission Hills regarding the forthcoming Desert Willow property.

After sitting with their sales people and getting their "pitch" I noticed that unlike previous visits, there was no real hard effort to "close" my wife and I. It was as though they half expected us to walk away without purchasing anything (which we did).

The price for a Platinum 2 Bedroom at DW is 38,900 with an incentive of 120,000 Starpoints, a bonus of an extra 30,000 (because we are already owners at WKORV), and the ability to buy an extra 80,000 SPG Starpoints for the 09 and '10 use years because the property isn't scheduled to open until next year. That option was $15,550 for each year of SPG points desired (if any).

So, adding it all up....with all the bells and whistles, if we were to jump in on this at the developers price, it would be 42,000 which was MORE than what we paid for on Maui!!

Which leads me to my question.......is SVO looking at the same economy that I am? When I questioned the rep about the surplus of inventory on the resale market and the prospect of them requalifying a resale as an incentive to purchase from developer inventory I was looked at like a deer in the headlights.

I'm sure the developer has done some financial modeling....projecting sales etc etc.....but IF I wanted to buy at Desert Willow....I'd be better off waiting 12 months for some current owner who has jumped in at this crazy price point and then discovered that they could no longer afford it given the state of the economy.

Wouldn't SVO in general do a better job of generating sales of current inventory by LOWERING their prices AND holding the current incentives or making them even more generous.....perhaps even holding a ONE day sale (or week) to exisiting owners at specific resorts where they want to move inventory?

Frankly, the meeting seemed a bit odd all the way around, and despite their claims to us that the prices were going up soon (perhaps as quickly as this week), it seems to fly in the face of the general economy. They made several mentions of how well they were selling inventory, but just last week I was told by one of their senior staffers that sales were off projections on DW by 30%.

I'd like to own another week, and at Desert Willow, but I'm inclined to pick up one at a drastically reduced rate in the near future, and then retro it back in with a developer purchase down the road. The resort doesn't even open until January of next year.....so there's no real rush.

This is my first post.....sorry if its rambling......
 

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Welcome to TUG! :hi:

I see you've been lurking a while and I'm glad you posted! Not rambling at all!
 

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Question: Is Willow going to be a mandatory resort?

Based on your statement that would wait, get it resale, and try to get it requalified with a later purchase, I'm assuming it is not a mandatory resort. But, I'm not sure either way.
 

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At this point, the general consensus is that none of the future resorts will be Mandatory - WKORVN was the last one.
 

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That option was $15,550 for each year of SPG points desired (if any).

:eek:

I hope you meant $1,550 for each year of SPG points. Otherwise, SVO has REALLY lost their minds.

As far as lowering their price, who knows what goes through their minds? All I know is that when the economy was soaring, the hype worked. People bought at really insane prices and SVO made a lot of money. They are certainly slow to reacting and seem to have thrown in the towel for the time being.

Personally, I think they should lower their prices dramatically, offer meaningful benefits for buying from the developer (e.g. the ability to buy 80k StarPoints every year for $1500), and start charging a hefty fee (eg $599) if resale owners of voluntary resorts want to join the SVN network.

Under the current system, SVN doesn't make anything after the first sale. Given how fluid timesharing is, why not capitalize on that and make money every time it changes hands?
 

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Yes, I did mean 1,550....sorry for the typo! Though this is cheaper than you can buy SPG points from Starwood, it's still (as I see it) another $3K in profit....

Makes me wonder what would happen if they just threw it in as part of the incentive package......would this have the effect of spurring sales?

IMHO.....I hope prices do drop dramatically, and that they do try and do something with requalifying purchases on the secondary market.

I'm nowhere near as well versed in all of this as most others here.....pretty much a newbie.....but we do enjoy our ownership and would like to add....but just can't do it at this moment, and especially not at the current developer prices.
 

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Isn't the "Only today" and "prices are going up very soon/in a few days" a standard claim? I think they do a chant of those and a few other key phrases at the pep rally before they open the sales floor each morning.

akin to :cheer:"Wal-mart, wal-mart, wal-MART!!!":cheer:
 

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wow $$$$

As a multiple owner I would say that those prices are high in any economy. For us, we work to secure the highest number of StarOptions, for the lowest price. As we find no glamour in owning at a specific resort, the next driving force would be to secure the lowest reoccurring cost (maintenance fees).

I find it difficult to pay the prices being requested for the Kaanapali, Desert Willows, or Princeville properties.

I will comment that we were recently in Palm Springs, and made a purchase for the Laguna Mar resort. We also found that there was no distinct "close". The attitude was gracious, and professional.
 

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Mig, welcome! Could you give us a brief report of your impressions of Desert Willow , likes, dislikes, etc.? I will be at WMH in March.
 

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HI there!

We are intersted in WDW too as owners at WMH and SoCal residents. The plans look fantastic. But there is NO WAY I would spend that kind of money. I bet they will pop up in resale very soon too, probably for still more money than they are worth, but at least 50% off. Lagunamar and WPORV resales are hitting the market even though they were just opened too.

WKV was offered to us at $28,900 from the developer not 5 years ago! The inflation on these timeshares is ridiculous. I agree that they need to lower prices if they want any buyers in this economy. :shrug: And the SP incentives are the same they were last year. I'd love to see more of the prior incentives too (250,000 ish SPs plus bonuses).

Katherine
 

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In our recent stay at WMH we purchased a biennial ownership for Lugana Mar. The deal included 81000 StarOptions, with two premiums of StarPoints, 65000 with the deal, and 80000 for 1550 (must exercise by June 1 2009). The purchase price was 14000.

As posted before the presentation was very casual with no closer to exert any additional pressure to close.

One note; Desert Willows was not presented as a sales option to us during our November 2008 visit.
 

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In our recent stay at WMH we purchased a biennial ownership for Lugana Mar.

If you are still within the recission period, I highly encourage you to rescind. There are already resales for this property going for 50% of the developer price.
 

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In our recent stay at WMH we purchased a biennial ownership for Lugana Mar. The deal included 81000 StarOptions, with two premiums of StarPoints, 65000 with the deal, and 80000 for 1550 (must exercise by June 1 2009). The purchase price was 14000.

As posted before the presentation was very casual with no closer to exert any additional pressure to close.

One note; Desert Willows was not presented as a sales option to us during our November 2008 visit.

We also purchased a EOY at Luganamar. Our deal was 50,000 StarPoints plus $1550 for 80000 additional points available for purchase 2008-2010. Our quote price was $14,900.

We were at WKV, and there was a closer. Our invite to WKV was like $400 for four nights. Perhaps that's why they tacked on the additional $900?

Speaking of "casual": after the sit-down w/ our salesguy, he got up and scuffed his feet w/his hands behind his back all the way to the "Gallery" in this "aw shucks" kinda of posture. It wasn't good theatre.

However, we rescinded. :cheer:

And in keeping true to the thread, no mention was made of Desert Willows, even though we told Mr. Shuffle that we travel to that area yearly; last year 2x!
 
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You can get a pretty good idea of Desert Willow from the renderings that are posted on SVO. The rooms are the standard that are pretty much at all their properties.

The grounds appear to me a cross between Kierland and Maui, leaning more to the Kierland side with an obvious desert influence.

It looks like a fantastic property....but it is WAY overpriced. They told us that the first use wont occur until Jan 2010 which was pushed back from the summer/fall of this year.

Hope that helps!
 
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