Credit Pool Question

[Andythefox]

I have 159,000 credit pool points due to expire on 1/7/16. I understand that if you make a reservation using credit pool points and then cancel, they become cancelled points for that use year. My question is if I make a reservation using the credit pool points for somewhere for say 1/2/16 through 1/7/16 using all of these points, then cancel the reservation, will the cancelled points expire on the same day as the pool points (1/7/16), or will they expire at the end of the use year (12/31/16)? I'm confused and don't want to lose/waste these points.

Thanks.

 

[ronparise]

good question

Im going to assume that you will extend the points to the end of the use year, ie until Dec 2016. But I dont know for sure.

 

[uscav8r]

You risk nothing (except a burned Reservation Transaction) by trying it out.


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[Andythefox]

Thanks for your responses. I don't think it will be the end of the world if this doesn't work, so I will give it a try and see what happens.

Andy

 

[dcdowden]

Just received an email from Wyndham that says that there will no longer be cancelled points. In the future, when you cancel a reservation they will be returned as regular use points for that year. So I guess that's the new answer.
Doug

 

[Ty1on]

Just received an email from Wyndham that says that there will no longer be cancelled points. In the future, when you cancel a reservation they will be returned as regular use points for that year. So I guess that's the new answer.
Doug

So if I understand it correctly, if he cancels that reservation, the points become regular use year points for 2016. That's a good distinction to get clear, because if they revert to their original use year, they are effectively expired.

 

[Designerd]

Let us know what happens?? Interested in finding out...

 

[Bigrob]

So if I understand it correctly, if he cancels that reservation, the points become regular use year points for 2016. That's a good distinction to get clear, because if they revert to their original use year, they are effectively expired.

That cannot possibly be how it would work. That would eliminate most of the value of credit pooling points. My guess is they will be regular points in the use year of the reservation.

 

[Ty1on]

That cannot possibly be how it would work. That would eliminate most of the value of credit pooling points. My guess is they will be regular points in the use year of the reservation.

In his example, 2016 is the use year of the reservation.

 

[Bigrob]

In his example, 2016 is the use year of the reservation.

Right... I meant it cannot be that if he cancels the reservation, the points revert back to regular use year points from the year 2014 and go poof.

 

[Ty1on]

Right... I meant it cannot be that if he cancels the reservation, the points revert back to regular use year points from the year 2014 and go poof.

I think we are saying the same thing.

 

[markb53]

Right... I meant it cannot be that if he cancels the reservation, the points revert back to regular use year points from the year 2014 and go poof.

I believe you are correct, and if so, it would be possible, using credit pool to double my regular CWA points and allow me to have twice as many point to use during ARP. Do you thug that is possible or do you think they will be regular point that don't have all the benefits of regular points.


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[Ty1on]

I believe you are correct, and if so, it would be possible, using credit pool to double my regular CWA points and allow me to have twice as many point to use during ARP. Do you thug that is possible or do you think they will be regular point that don't have all the benefits of regular points.


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How would it double your ARP points? Do you mean roll points forwardwith CP, reserve, cancel, and double your ARP points this year using points from a prior year? It seems like that should work if I understand you correctly.

The danger seems to be that the credit pool gets abused for this and is empty at the time you want to book.....

 

[Ty1on]

Honestly, if I were a Wyndham decisionmaker, I would have floated the idea of this on TUG and let you guys hash out all the scenarios before implementing it.

 

[antjmar]

So if I understand it correctly, if he cancels that reservation, the points become regular use year points for 2016. That's a good distinction to get clear, because if they revert to their original use year, they are effectively expired.

The OP knew these would expire on 1/7/2016 two years ago when he put them in the credit pool. if they revert to expire on 12/31/15 its not a big deal its only a week less time to use the points. Perhaps that shortens their life in RCI?

However based on the new rule I think he might get lucky and get an extra 11 plus months to use!

This might be the new way to keep extending points

 

[paxsarah]

Honestly, if I were a Wyndham decisionmaker, I would have floated the idea of this on TUG and let you guys hash out all the scenarios before implementing it.

No kidding!

 

[Bigrob]

The OP knew these would expire on 1/7/2016 two years ago when he put them in the credit pool. if they revert to expire on 12/31/15 its not a big deal its only a week less time to use the points. Perhaps that shortens their life in RCI?

However based on the new rule I think he might get lucky and get an extra 11 plus months to use!

This might be the new way to keep extending points

No, it is not. I have the answer, and it isn't what I had previously surmised. The answer is, AFTER AUG 4th, reservations that are cancelled will have points going back to where they came from. So in the case of a reservation from a credit pool, the points will go back to the credit pool. If the OP waits until after Aug 4th, making this reservation and then cancelling it will do him no good.

PRIOR TO AUGUST 4th, cancelled points will be set as points that expire at the end of the use year they are sitting in, and will NOT be associated to a contract. This is a one-time deal; if you were to make a reservation and then cancel it with these "orphaned" points, they will come back as regular points ASSOCIATED TO THE PREDOMINANT contract. I'm not sure it's clear how the predominant contract in an account is determined, but instead of continuing to map those originally cancelled points as "blank," they will be re-mapped to the predominant contract.

Therefore, you cannot use this to "roll your points forward". That may in fact be part of the purpose, as cancelled points would be put into the latest use year, but now they will go back to the contract they came from. This will eliminate the "roll forward" loophole for accounts with multiple use years in them.

The plus side is, you will have an opportunity to extend points that have a short current shelf life if you're a Platinum VIP with a January use year, because the points that are cancelled points can be pooled as late as end of September and extended 3 years.

So back to the original poster... you should definitely make a reservation for early Jan 2016 and cancel it BEFORE Aug 4th. When those points are converted to regular points, they "should" have a December 31 2016 expiration. If desired, you could then credit pool them on December 31 2015 and extend their life to Dec 31 2018.

If you do all of this AFTER August 4th, you're hosed.

 

[Cheryl20772]

PRIOR TO AUGUST 4th, cancelled points will be set as points that expire at the end of the use year they are sitting in, and will NOT be associated to a contract. This is a one-time deal; if you were to make a reservation and then cancel it with these "orphaned" points, they will come back as regular points ASSOCIATED TO THE PREDOMINANT contract. I'm not sure it's clear how the predominant contract in an account is determined, but instead of continuing to map those originally cancelled points as "blank," they will be re-mapped to the predominant contract.

I have one contract and expiration date is March 31. I always credit pool all my points just before beginning of use year, but when I recently cancelled a reservation for Sept. 2015, the cancel points came with Dec 2015 expire date instead of March 2016. I am waiting to see what happens August 4 to see if they go back to Feb 1, 2016 to Jan 27, 2017 credit pool they came from. That would be very nice indeed.