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Consumer Checkbook story on Timeshare Exit Companies

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Nice to see your name in print, Brian. This author's efforts are pretty comprehensive, if not a little complex. He checks all the boxes regarding the pitfalls of exit companies as well as giving names of the major offenders. This series of articles would make a good "sticky" for those who approach Tug regarding advice on using an exit company. Members here get it already. Newbies would experience an "enlightenment" by reviewing these articles. Very informative.
 

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I think many folks may not realize this article has like 6 different parts (have to navigate to them along the top right hand side navigation bar.

I wish it had a "continue on to next article" link at the bottom of each one! it took me a few seconds to realize it wasnt just a single page.
 

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Maybe it's too much to expect of the Checkbook Magazine folks, but it will be great if they follow up their series exposing details of the various scams aimed at timeshare owners with an equally detailed series about how to enjoy timeshare vacationing without getting victimized, starting with the plain truth that getting high-pressured into buying at full price is not the only pathway to timeshare ownership.

At a minimum, it would be helpful for the magazine to point out a few harsh realities . . .
1. There's no such thing as a new timeshare -- by the time the owners check in, they're all used.
2. Retail timeshare prices (what the resort sales people charge) have no relation to real-world open market values.
3. Even if retail timeshare prices go up, it is not realistic to expect open-market timeshare values to rise.
4. Real-world value of most timeshares is a few hundred dollars at most & many units are worth nothing.
5. People interested in the idea of owning a timeshare need to look before they commit so they're not flying blind.
6. The timeshare sellers pray you won't find out about the realities until you are on the hook. Then you are stuck.
7. Timeshare vacationing can be rewarding & fun, without breaking the bank, if -- IF -- you know what you're doing.

In view of how tricky & complicated it can be to navigate the realities of timeshares & timesharing, Checkbook Magazine should not be expected to lay it all out with the level of detail available on TUG. But it is not too much to expect a pro-consumer magazine article on the subject to point interested readers to TUG & TUG-BBS.

Meanwhile, hats off to Checkbook Magazine for their series of articles blowing the whistle on the "timeshare exit" hornswoggles & the "timeshare cancellation" bamboozles.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 

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How about exiting points-based contracts? I have _one_ contract for 116,000 points with Bluegreen. I'd like to scale it back for health reasons; if I can't, I need to get rid of the whole thing. It's paid off; can't I just stop paying on it? I'd lose a lot, but at least get out of maintenance fees.
 

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bluegreen has a deedback program, is a link to it in the bluegreen forum down below.
 

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Maybe it's too much to expect of the Checkbook Magazine folks, but it will be great if they follow up their series exposing details of the various scams aimed at timeshare owners with an equally detailed series about how to enjoy timeshare vacationing without getting victimized, starting with the plain truth that getting high-pressured into buying at full price is not the only pathway to timeshare ownership.

At a minimum, it would be helpful for the magazine to point out a few harsh realities . . .
1. There's no such thing as a new timeshare -- by the time the owners check in, they're all used.
2. Retail timeshare prices (what the resort sales people charge) have no relation to real-world open market values.
3. Even if retail timeshare prices go up, it is not realistic to expect open-market timeshare values to rise.
4. Real-world value of most timeshares is a few hundred dollars at most & many units are worth nothing.
5. People interested in the idea of owning a timeshare need to look before they commit so they're not flying blind.
6. The timeshare sellers pray you won't find out about the realities until you are on the hook. Then you are stuck.
7. Timeshare vacationing can be rewarding & fun, without breaking the bank, if -- IF -- you know what you're doing.

In view of how tricky & complicated it can be to navigate the realities of timeshares & timesharing, Checkbook Magazine should not be expected to lay it all out with the level of detail available on TUG. But it is not too much to expect a pro-consumer magazine article on the subject to point interested readers to TUG & TUG-BBS.

Meanwhile, hats off to Checkbook Magazine for their series of articles blowing the whistle on the "timeshare exit" hornswoggles & the "timeshare cancellation" bamboozles.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
Alan, you're an expert. Why not contact Checkbook magazine and offer to produce such an article. Most magazines pay freelancers a few thousand for an article.

I say this in all sincerity. I really do believe you could do it well because it's something you are both knowledgeable and passionate about.

Larry
 

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part 1 is the first link above...or should be?
 

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Deedback is the preferred option unless your timeshare is one of the rarities that's worth more than 2 tickets to a football game.
Otherwise? Just. Stop. Paying.
 

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How about exiting points-based contracts? I have _one_ contract for 116,000 points with Bluegreen. I'd like to scale it back for health reasons; if I can't, I need to get rid of the whole thing. It's paid off; can't I just stop paying on it? I'd lose a lot, but at least get out of maintenance fees.

This is the link to the Bluegreen "Resonsibleexit" website that ARDA sponsors. You can fill out the form and see what happens. Please let us know what happens. It may be smoke and mirrors, but is worth a try.
 

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Brian, very interesting series of articles by Checkbook. Thanks for putting all of the links for all parts Of The article.

We were recently contacted by an organization called CLP consumer law protection headed by a Levi Stracke. Surprise surprise, they are located in St. Louis Missouri!

They had invited us to an info session to explain that as a provision of the CARES act, there were now provisions available to Timeshare owners to exit their Timeshares.

After listening to the general discussion with other owners we were put into a zoom breakout room one on on with an “advisor”.

He pitched about something called the RCI Trust that worked like a Costco membership for $299/ year ( I posted a separate thread on TUG a couple of weeks ago about this). We get out or maintenance fees and owner obligations while being able to book 4 weeks thru RCI each year( we own 4 deeded Marriott weeks). The price to Get into this Trust and get out of our ownership was a discount $24,000!

I know they weren’t mentioned in the article but I bet they are one of the poorly rated BBB companies in Missouri.

Ever hear of them or that particular exit pitch?


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Hi, Brian,
Thanks for publishing the links to the articles about exiting timeshares. I would enjoy passing these articles out to every person heading to a presentation but that is not possible. Unfortunately, the sales people will continue to mislead potential buyers with all the false statements. Communicating with Wyndham by phone is always interesting as the recording states how committed to taking care of their members which is noting but BS. I am amazed they have the guts to make such statements presenting the company as working for their members yet allow salespeople to misrepresent what they sell. I believe what Wyndham management says and allows is nothing more than an oxymoron.
 

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Brian, very interesting series of articles by Checkbook. Thanks for putting all of the links for all parts Of The article.

We were recently contacted by an organization called CLP consumer law protection headed by a Levi Stracke. Surprise surprise, they are located in St. Louis Missouri!

They had invited us to an info session to explain that as a provision of the CARES act, there were now provisions available to Timeshare owners to exit their Timeshares.

After listening to the general discussion with other owners we were put into a zoom breakout room one on on with an “advisor”.

He pitched about something called the RCI Trust that worked like a Costco membership for $299/ year ( I posted a separate thread on TUG a couple of weeks ago about this). We get out or maintenance fees and owner obligations while being able to book 4 weeks thru RCI each year( we own 4 deeded Marriott weeks). The price to Get into this Trust and get out of our ownership was a discount $24,000!

I know they weren’t mentioned in the article but I bet they are one of the poorly rated BBB companies in Missouri.

Ever hear of them or that particular exit pitch?


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variations of this nonsense/pitch have been around for years unfortunately!

it is odd that st louis does appear to be such a hotbed of these sorts of businesses, and im not quite sure why!
 

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Alan, you're an expert. Why not contact Checkbook magazine and offer to produce such an article. Most magazines pay freelancers a few thousand for an article.

I say this in all sincerity. I really do believe you could do it well because it's something you are both knowledgeable and passionate about.
I appreciate your words of encouragement & the positive sentiment. In truth, the familiarity & experience I have with timeshares don't exactly rise to the level of expertise. I'm happy my family & friends can enjoy timeshares without getting caught up in any of the hornswoggles & bamboozles, & I get deep enjoyment out of my participation in TUG-BBS, & from my vicarious connection TIG gives me with so many outstanding people. (Getting together face to face with the Orlando TUG crowd every January is a highlight of the year.)

There was a time when I kidded myself into thinking I was some kind of timeshare expert, but that time is past. Shux, I even got tagged 1 time as a potential independent timeshare HOA-BOD member & was installed on a timeshare HOA committee whose main (unwritten) purpose was farm team for future board members -- traveled to Florida board meetings on the HOA dime & everything. That all ended when the long-time independent board president succumbed to cancer & the big-bad timeshare company asserted itself & outlawyered the independent board -- & that was that.

When I still thought I was some kind of timeshare hotshot, I gave away an extremely nice Florida timeshare (to a fellow TUG member) & typed about it right here on TUG-BBS. Some NBC-TV news person got wind of that & told a Today Show producer. Back then, giving away a timeshare seemed novel & thus newsworthy. The Today Show folks contacted me directly & with my permission arranged for the local NBC outlet to send a video crew to my house & get me to talk on tape about giving away my Florida timeshare. The Chief Of Staff & I were both on TV! While seated on our living room sofa, I kept flipping up a hand-drawn placard that said Timeshare Users Group www.tug2.net. The producers did not like that (but I kept doing it anyway) & no placard video made it into the news segment that soon thereafter aired on the Today Show. The Chief Of Staff & I were on TV for may 20 seconds or so. So it goes.

It turns out that back then we were on the leading edge of timeshare giveaway. Now timeshare giveaways happen all the time, TUG-BBS has its own Bargain Giveaway section, & a whole slew of bogus timeshare exit & timeshare cancellation ripoffs have have sprung up to snooker people who have already been taken advantage of in various ways via other timeshare-related con jobs.

Expertise is out there. Shux, expertise is right here in the form of TUG & TUG-BBS -- all the information regular walking-around people need to stay 1 jump ahead of the tricksters & fraudsters & hucksters.

I am old & tired. Best help I can provide is to keep pointing people in the direction of TUG & TUG-BBS whenever there's a chance.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 
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