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Club Wyndham Access Points - VIP Founders 1.6 million (About to Inherit )

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Greetings all,

My wife's parents intend to leave us 1.6 million Club Wyndham Access points. They are VIP Founders status. They paid out of pocket for all the points so it is fully owned. Obviously we would inherit maintenance fees but we still have a couple of questions are would appreciate the board's wisdom.

1. What are some general items we should be aware of regarding inheritance? Could we be taxed on this?

2. Do you loose VIP Founders status if the points are passed down to another generation?

3. Do you have any recommendations for good third-party timeshares consultants that would specialize in Club Wyndham? If not, we'll just go down the real estate attorney route for a consultation before accepting the points.

4. Any other advice you have would be greatly appreciated :) Thanks.

Cheers!
 

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4. Any other advice you have would be greatly appreciated :) Thanks.

Cheers!
If you are absolutely, positively 100% sure you want to inherit and take on the maintenance fee obligation, it would be much simpler (and probably cheaper) to become co-owners now. Your parents continue to use the ownership now as usual. If/when they travel less and less in the future, you could begin using more and more of the points, paying your parents for the associated maintenance fees, and without having to use guest certificates.

Contact Wyndham Cares with your parents, 866-434-9046, and explain your situation to find possible options to transfer the ownership to you in the future (or possibly become a co-owner, now) at no cost, and to preserve the VIP status for a transfer to an immediate family member.

VIP benefits do not transfer upon resale, so the value of Club Wyndham Access accounts is a few hundred dollars at most, so I doubt there are any tax consequences to a transfer or sale.
 

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Thanks for this CO Skier! One thing the sales team told my parents is that the extra points they do no use can be sold in the year to defer maintenance costs. Is this true? I've been reading some of the posts here and it seems that this is a defunct system for Wyndham.

Much appreciated!
 

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One thing the sales team told my parents is that the extra points they do no use can be sold in the year to defer maintenance costs. Is this true? I've been reading some of the posts here and it seems that this is a defunct system for Wyndham.
It appears to be an active program, but it is a terrible deal. The $0.0021 per point received is only about 25% of the 2025 maintenance fees paid on a Club Wyndham Access account.

 

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It appears to be an active program, but it is a terrible deal. The $0.0021 per point received is only about 25% of the 2025 maintenance fees paid on a Club Wyndham Access account.

Interesting point. I've heard that the maintenance fees are higher for CWA, which I guess makes sense since you are not looking for the lowest particular resort fees to purchase into.

Much appreciated!
 

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Another question I have. If at some moment we can no longer afford the maintenance fees, can we literally just give the points away on E-Bay? Sounds silly but, oh well!
 

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Another question I have. If at some moment we can no longer afford the maintenance fees, can we literally just give the points away on E-Bay? Sounds silly but, oh well!
This is true. Even simpler is Wyndham Certified Exit no-cost exit program. Wyndham handles all the paperwork; the process takes 3-4 months. I have not seen any reports where a CWA contract was not accept back through the program.


You could also use this program to downside the ownership to a lower level, if you wanted to retain some use at a lower VIP level.
 

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This is true. Even simpler is Wyndham Certified Exit no-cost exit program. Wyndham handles all the paperwork; the process takes 3-4 months. I have not seen any reports where a CWA contract was not accept back through the program.


You could also use this program to downside the ownership to a lower level, if you wanted to retain some use at a lower VIP level.
Outstanding! Did not know about this. Truly appreciated CO skier! cheers
 

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Greetings all,

My wife's parents intend to leave us 1.6 million Club Wyndham Access points. They are VIP Founders status. They paid out of pocket for all the points so it is fully owned. Obviously we would inherit maintenance fees but we still have a couple of questions are would appreciate the board's wisdom.

1. What are some general items we should be aware of regarding inheritance? Could we be taxed on this?

2. Do you loose VIP Founders status if the points are passed down to another generation?

3. Do you have any recommendations for good third-party timeshares consultants that would specialize in Club Wyndham? If not, we'll just go down the real estate attorney route for a consultation before accepting the points.

4. Any other advice you have would be greatly appreciated :) Thanks.

Cheers!

Greetings all,

My wife's parents intend to leave us 1.6 million Club Wyndham Access points. They are VIP Founders status. They paid out of pocket for all the points so it is fully owned. Obviously we would inherit maintenance fees but we still have a couple of questions are would appreciate the board's wisdom.

1. What are some general items we should be aware of regarding inheritance? Could we be taxed on this?

2. Do you loose VIP Founders status if the points are passed down to another generation?

3. Do you have any recommendations for good third-party timeshares consultants that would specialize in Club Wyndham? If not, we'll just go down the real estate attorney route for a consultation before accepting the points.

4. Any other advice you have would be greatly appreciated :) Thanks.

Cheers!
Just make sure you know what you’re getting yourself into here. Wyndham timeshare resorts are great, but 1.6 million points is a lot. Maintenance fees this year are $14,200 on that amount, and expect them to go up by around 5 percent each year. 1.6 million points is a LOT of vacations each year, especially with the VIP discounts. (Or vacations in really big rooms / presidential units.)
 

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If your inlaws get unlimited free housekeeping credits, that's a very valuable VIP benefit Wyndham no longer offers new VIP owners.

I could be mistaken but I thought with CWA points you could give back some of them without sacrificing being a grandfathered VIP. If that's the case you and they could downsize the account to 1.4M and still be Founders. Or even down to 1M and still be Platinum. The only significant difference is the extra 10% discount Founders gets at 60 days or less. It would reduce the maintenance fees to an amount that might be more manageable for you.

Another option would be to add other family members, hers or yours, to share the points and maintenance fees.

Have your inlaws add you, your wife and any other family now! Don't wait until they pass. It's will be a major headache and a lengthy process if you wait until they pass. Also some or all of that use years points could be lost while it's being done if you wait.
 
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Just make sure you know what you’re getting yourself into here. Wyndham timeshare resorts are great, but 1.6 million points is a lot. Maintenance fees this year are $14,200 on that amount, and expect them to go up by around 5 percent each year. 1.6 million points is a LOT of vacations each year, especially with the VIP discounts. (Or vacations in really big rooms / presidential units.)
I don't know about VIP discounts - that isn't something I have any access too - but "A lot" may be relative and depends on where you want to go. A stay at Emerald Grande in a 3BR is 650,000pts for a week. Atlanta and some places in Hawaii are 400,000-450,000 for a week in a 2BR. Now, I'm not expecting that the OP is going to go to Destin, Atlanta and Hawaii for a week each year, but if they wanted 3 weeks in Hawaii, or a couple 3 week trips in the US that 1.6 million could be easily used at the standard points rates.

And initially - say 2 years ago - you asked me if I could or would want to go on multiple 3 week trips in a year I'd have said no way. However now I can see (granted with WFH) wanting to winter in south FL - Wyndham has multiple locations in pompano Beach that look like a 2BR runs 200,000 a week. For me, I'd like 3 weeks in the warmth (or more tbh) separate from any "vacation trips". To "snow bird" for 2 months that'd be around all the 1.6 million pts on the standard rates. And that's one trip. Also the cost is at least potentially competitive with renting a beachfront condo - a co-worker told me he was paying $15,000 for 2 months on the beach that way.

Of course, we don't know if the OP is easily able to afford the ~$15,000 a year or not, nor do we know if they are thinking of using it to stay for more than one week in a location. Also, my calculations are on 2BR, so if they're doing 1BR then yes, that is longer stays.

Summary: I've found it surprisingly easy to stay more than one week on a trip and eat weeks/points.
 

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Hi Go2Kant,

I just wanted to say welcome to the board. We "inherited" a VIP Founders account from my parents as well. My mom is still living, but I have been managing it for the last 4 years. We added my brother and I to the trust / account about 5 years ago so we could participate in the use more easily. I will say, make sure the MF are doable for you. There are times that I wonder if we should keep ours, but the trips and accommodations have been wonderful. If it isn't used, however, it can be a burden.

Only you know if it is something that you will use and enjoy. If it is, they have truly given you a gift. If not, don't feel obligated to take it. I am sure they wouldn't want that. Make the decision based on how it will bless your family within your means and enjoy it for the time you have it, or access to it!
 

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Having all those VIP upgrades and discounts at the 60 day mark is great, but 1.6 million is a lot of points and being Access, the maintenance fees will be tremendous.

One of the big things about those higher level VIP levels is the ability to get upgrades and discounts, which can allow your points to go further (more vacations), but you need to ask yourself if you can use it all. Aka, do you need that many points.

Someone mentioned the possibility of giving back some points down to the 1 million or 1.1 million.

Basically founders and platinum are the same except founders get an additional 10% discount. Ask yourself if that 10% points discount is worth 500,000 in MF money. I know what my answer would be.

Also before doing this be ABSOLUTELY sure that when you downgrade that you stay at least platinum. It now takes 1.1 million to be platinum, you need absolute certainty that you CAN go to 1.0 instead of 1.1 to stay platinum. Just because your parents could go platinum at 1.0, doesn't mean you can. If you can't get certaintly on that question, go no lower than 1.1 million. It's a big jump downwards in discounts from platinum to gold.

If it was me, and I was getting it for free, I might do it. Even if you couldn't use ALL your points immediately, but envision you would later in life, and with kids/give to kids. As kids become adults, they want to use it for themselves/their kids. That's the entire point of this thing... so think forward. Those discounts and "stretching points further" matter more later when you are making a ton of reservations for your family members.
 

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Also before doing this be ABSOLUTELY sure that when you downgrade that you stay at least platinum. It now takes 1.1 million to be platinum, you need absolute certainty that you CAN go to 1.0 instead of 1.1 to stay platinum. Just because your parents could go platinum at 1.0, doesn't mean you can. If you can't get certaintly on that question, go no lower than 1.1 million. It's a big jump downwards in discounts from platinum to gold.
The way I read page 312 of the directory, a decrease in points on a grandfathered (referred to on that page as "legacy") VIP account should be subject to the grandfathered levels as of the date of the original purchase/upgrade, not the current levels. But I would definitely want to make sure the folks I was dealing with at Wyndham confirmed that understanding before moving forward.
 

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You should browse the resorts and determine if Wyndham has locations you really want to visit.

Wyndham has resorts in historical areas like Williamsburg, and the resorts fit the area extremely well architecturally. I love Kingsgate for that reason, Patriot's Place is good for "old people" like us. Small pool, not much there, but it is a cute little resort area.

Bonnet Creek in Orlando is fantastic and the only Wyndham in Orlando we have stayed. We stayed in Cypress Palms once, and it was okay. has few on OahuKauai resorts, but there is only one that I love, and that is Shearwater with ocean views from every unit from a cliff. Beautiful views. Beautiful units.

Wyndham Branson Meadows is nice. Our last stay was in a 1 bed suite. It was tiny but still had a king bed and a decent kitchenette. We usually get 2 bedrooms. No upgrades for mid-December. We stayed at Marriott earlier in the year and really enjoyed it far more than Branson Meadows, and I think Meadows is the nicest Wyndham resort in Branson.

I hope to go to Northeast U.S. using Wyndham this time. Too bad they have nothing coastal Maine or Cape Cod. I can exchange into those areas with a little effort (using Wyndham points through RCI). But Vermont and Rhode Island are covered with Wyndham. That's probably an October trip for us. Never have been to some of the NE states.

New York City, covered by Wyndham. Washington D.C., you can get Old Town Alexandria or National Harbor.

Texas, Wyndham has Austin and San Antonio.

Myrtle Beach, lots of resorts. There is nothing in Hilton Head. Again, a person can use RCI for HH.

The only resorts worth staying on the islands is Shearwater on Kauai, Waikiki Beachwalk and Wyndham Kona Coast or Kona Hawaiian Village (my opinion), and I have exchanged into the Hiltons on the Big Island over staying at either of the Wyndhams because it's just nice to stay at Hilton.
 

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Transferring to your wife (and you and children) will not be considered resale and you will retain all of the VIP Founders benefits. Your in-laws paid dearly for these points. The benefits are significant (as Jan pointed out, including unlimited housekeeping (if they've had them more than a few years, they'll have this)). These are developer points and you will retain your in-laws developer benefits. They become resale when sold or transferred (to a non-family / qualified person).

A word of caution for your in-laws, they are ripe for being scared by the scammers (take this off your hands for the good of your family). Be sure they are aware that if you choose not to inherit it, you don't have to. If at any time they or you choose to get rid of it, there are 'best options' available from Wyndham themselves. They are not going to recoup their original 'investment' and if they (or you) decide you don't want it, be sure to use one of Wyndham's programs to dispose of them. There have been multiple programs over the past (at least) 10 years, each with different nuances. Understand what applies to you (various exit strategy programs include Pathways, Limited Edition, Ovation, Certified Exit). One number you may call (if authorized on the account is 855-312-9040, Mon-Fri, 9am-6pm ET - that answers as Wyndham Cares - they should be able to help you or direct you). They can tell you the options available specifically for these contracts (your in-laws will need to do the calling). They also have an email wyndhamcaresteam@wyn.com.

If you look it over and decide you can make good use of it, 100% what others have said - put your name on it now (your name on one contract gets you access to the account (and all the points)).

For me, personally, I also felt to need to convince my Dad it was a gift and not a burden. At the time I started managing the account for my Dad/our family, renting was an okay thing to do and it allowed me to offset our maintenance fees and more (I might bet a month of maintenance fees that your in-laws were sold on that 'benefit' - that they could rent, yadayada). At the time my father purchased, salespeople were handing out spreadsheets of the best time to book for the most profitable rentals. Renting is no longer sanctioned (for lack of better wording), you can read lots on here about that. Suffice for this discussion - it is certainly not a reason to want to own or take over this Founders account.

The ONLY reason to own points is to use them for vacations. For any other use of the points you are not getting good value for your money (to pay maintenance, or cruise, or Disney tickets - those are 'better than nothing options' and never a good use of your $$$.

I cannot speak to RCI, I've never used it. That is also an option for offloading extra points. But I don't think I'd want to own Wyndham points for the purpose of transferring points to RCI (for MORE vacations).

Most definitely, if you decide to keep it, get on the account now. No harm and it lets you start learning. Personally, I feel very comfortable that I can get out of this without personal financial risk (worst case giving it back to Wyndham (and I still hear my Dad in his most syrupy and sarcastic voice saying "isn't that nice of them")). IMO you are not taking on a huge financial burden as you will be able to get rid of it (I would guess with a Wyndham exit program) in 6 months or less (so you are risking paying about 6 months of maintenance fees to cleanly get rid of it if/when you decide to)).

I can't speak to inheritance tax on Wyndham, my Dad's was in a trust and I am the successor trustee - easy peasy for me. For other (non-Wyndham) inheritance issues, I found income for beneficiaries is taxable for certain amounts due to an estate being in Nebraska (we are one of the few states with an inheritance tax (grrrr)). My Dad's estate was in Florida and thus no inheritance tax there anyways. This estate stuff gets super complicated and you need a lawyer and an accountant to figure some things out.

Wyndham can be challenging to get reliable information from. Anytime you can get something in writing from them, do so. My mantra - do your research, make the best decision you can with the information you have, and hope for the best. (I almost used Ovations to change ownership a bit and didn't because they couldn't definitively tell me if my current reservations would be cancelled).

And anytime your want to run your thoughts, ideas, or questions by this group, I highly recommend it. As you can see, lots of opinions and (free, lol) advice! Welcome!
 
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