Borrowing Star Options from next year

[Mjasp]

Hi Everyone

I have spoken to Starwood twice and have received two different answers, so hey, I figure I'd come to the experts. I did look at the sticky but didn't see my exact questions answered.

Here goes... When you borrow options from the next year, you have to book 90 days out, but when I called they told me three months. One person told me for borrowing option purposes its 3 months and the other said it's exactly 90 days, so count out 90 days. So does anyone know for sure? Has anyone tried 90 days in advance and was told to call back?

Thanks

 

[LisaRex]

According to the User Guide on MSC:

Borrowing StarOptions

When confirming reservations during the Network Options Period three (3) months or less prior to your requested arrival date, you can borrow StarOptions up to your annual StarOptions allotment from the next Use Year to complete a reservation. Remember, in addition to borrowing StarOptions during the Network Options Period, you also have the ability to reserve:

• Nightly stays or more
• Arrival and departure any day of the week
• In any season
• In any villa type

 

[jarta]

Hi Everyone

I have spoken to Starwood twice and have received two different answers, so hey, I figure I'd come to the experts. I did look at the sticky but didn't see my exact questions answered.

Here goes... When you borrow options from the next year, you have to book 90 days out, but when I called they told me three months. One person told me for borrowing option purposes its 3 months and the other said it's exactly 90 days, so count out 90 days. So does anyone know for sure? Has anyone tried 90 days in advance and was told to call back?

Thanks

It's 3 months or less from arrival and the ability to make the reservation really controls.

The bolded section above is incorrect. It's the reservation that must be made 3 months or less from arrival. The borrowing takes place to pay for the reservation made 3 months or less from arrival. The requirements for making the reservation and borrowing StarOptions to pay for the reservation use consistent language.

If you asked about borrowing and mentioned 90 days when asking, it's so close that the one agent probably didn't recognize you were looking for absolute precision and didn't want to correct you. So, he/she agreed with your 90-day characterization.

Remember, once you borrow the StarOptions from a week, you will have leftover StarOptions and be unable to make a home resort reservation (12-8 months from arrival) for that week. Your first opportunity to use the remaining StarOptions from the week will be by making an 8-3 month from arrival StarOption reservation. Salty

 

[Mjasp]

It's 3 months or less from arrival and the ability to make the reservation really controls.

The bolded section above is incorrect. It's the reservation that must be made 3 months or less from arrival. The borrowing takes place to pay for the reservation made 3 months or less from arrival. The requirements for making the reservation and borrowing StarOptions to pay for the reservation use consistent language.

If you asked about borrowing and mentioned 90 days when asking, it's so close that the one agent probably didn't recognize you were looking for absolute precision and didn't want to correct you. So, he/she agreed with your 90-day characterization.

Remember, once you borrow the StarOptions from a week, you will have leftover StarOptions and be unable to make a home resort reservation (12-8 months from arrival) for that week. Your first opportunity to use the remaining StarOptions from the week will be by making an 8-3 month from arrival StarOption reservation. Salty

So it's three months before the reservation to be made not 90 days, correct?

No actually I didn't even know I had to wait 90 before the reservation, when I asked to book, she said but you already used your week for this year, so if you want to go again this year you would have to borrow next years options (which I knew) but you also have to wait until exactly 90 days before your reservation, and I said 90 days or three months and she told me for borrowing purposes only it's 90 days and not three months. She also went on to say she is a supervisor and shouldn't have even picked up the phone.
Then I called last night and that rep tells me to call back 3 months before and its not 90 days. Go figure, that's why I asked here

 

[jarta]

Mjasp, ... The way you explain it, she was wrong. It happens, but it really shouldn't.

BTW, my experience is the supervisors are well-versed in SVN trading requirements. But, YMMV. Salty

 

[DeniseM]

Today is Sept. 18th, therefore:

-3 mos. would be Dec. 18, 2012
- 8 mos. would be May. 18, 2013
-12 mos. would be Sept. 18, 2013

***BTW - this chart is posted at the top of the forum for future reference.

 

[Mjasp]

Thanks Everyone, Deal is done and I will be celebrating Christmas at the Happiest place on earth!

Thanks for your help, It was painless. and this is the last year that I have to abide by the school calendar so bring on Harborside in January! I can't believe that there is availability in January and we are in September, go figure.

 

[jarta]

Canceling prior to 3 months from arrival and even banking 2012 StarOptions by 10/1/12 may have something to do with availability in 12/12 and 1/13.

 

[dioxide45]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but does this 90 day/3 month rule still apply to borrowing StarOptions? Here are our 2017 plans and what I and others I have talked with think we need to do to be the most successful.

We currently have a 13 night stay booked at Lagunamar for May. We are also planning on Maui for December. Using our 2017 and 2018 StarOptions, we have enough for the 13 nights at Lagunamar and 6 nights a WKORV the first week of December. Thinking that Maui will be the harder reservation, I think we probably need to use true 2018 StarOptions for that reservation and instead use 2018 borrowed StarOptions for Laguanamar. Using this method, we will be able to use the pure 2017 StarOptions to book Maui online at midnight instead of having to call at 9:00am to use borrowed points. If we have to wait until 90 days out to use borrowed StarOptions, the 13 night reservation at Lagunamar likely won't happen and we will have to use the borrowed points for Maui. I think there is an advantage of being able to book Maui at midnight instead of 9:00am since we are trying to book a 2BR unit.

Is this even possible? The Starwood FAQ from the Vistana/Starwood Owner Resources indicates the following:

5) Can I borrow Staroptions from the next year? -
Yes, but you have to pay the maintenance fee for the next year in advance, and the Staroptions can only be used for reservations made 90 days out.

Is this just out of date, or is this restriction still in place? Also, when paying the future MFs, do you just have to pay the assessed fee, or does the VSN fee also apply?

 

[alwysonvac]

** FOUR YEAR OLD THREAD**

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but does this 90 day/3 month rule still apply to borrowing StarOptions? Here are our 2017 plans and what I and others I have talked with think we need to do to be the most successful.

You can use borrowed points at 8 months but you have to call.
See this thread - "Can you borrow from future years?" from July 2016
http://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/can-you-borrow-from-future-years.243896/#post-1916341

I suggest starting a new thread.

 

[dioxide45]

** FOUR YEAR OLD THREAD**



You can use borrowed points at 8 months but you have to call.
See this thread - "Can you borrow from future years?" from July 2016
http://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/can-you-borrow-from-future-years.243896/#post-1916341

I suggest starting a new thread.

Thanks, I did a Google search and this was the first thread that popped up. When the information here matched the FAQ, I thought this might be the most current info. Thanks for the link to the thread from this year. Great info. Glad we can use borrowed SOs at 8 months. I may start a new thread on the best strategy to do what we want to do.

 

[lizap]

For a minute I thought Jarta was back. Then I realized it was an old thread.

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but does this 90 day/3 month rule still apply to borrowing StarOptions? Here are our 2017 plans and what I and others I have talked with think we need to do to be the most successful.

We currently have a 13 night stay booked at Lagunamar for May. We are also planning on Maui for December. Using our 2017 and 2018 StarOptions, we have enough for the 13 nights at Lagunamar and 6 nights a WKORV the first week of December. Thinking that Maui will be the harder reservation, I think we probably need to use true 2018 StarOptions for that reservation and instead use 2018 borrowed StarOptions for Laguanamar. Using this method, we will be able to use the pure 2017 StarOptions to book Maui online at midnight instead of having to call at 9:00am to use borrowed points. If we have to wait until 90 days out to use borrowed StarOptions, the 13 night reservation at Lagunamar likely won't happen and we will have to use the borrowed points for Maui. I think there is an advantage of being able to book Maui at midnight instead of 9:00am since we are trying to book a 2BR unit.

Is this even possible? The Starwood FAQ from the Vistana/Starwood Owner Resources indicates the following:



Is this just out of date, or is this restriction still in place? Also, when paying the future MFs, do you just have to pay the assessed fee, or does the VSN fee also apply?

 

[saluki]

Ha!!! I thought the same when I saw Jarta's post. Kinda miss ol' Salty.