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Avoid Capital Vacations

JRo

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I wanted to share my family's experience with Capital Vacations, which took over management of our timeshare st Calypso Cay a few years ago. Thankfully, I stumbled on tugbbs in doing a Google search a day after signing a contract with them. It seems our experience is is similar to many other deeded week owners of resorts that Capital has purchased. CV is an acquisition firm and look to purchase deeds from timeshare properties so they can be the majority shareholder and do whatever they want. February 15th was the first time we traveled to Calypso Cay since Capital took over. We have had good experience depositing our fixed week breaking apart our 3 bedroom into 3 separate 1bedroom deposits with II, which we are owners and mainly have used it to travel to other resorts, mainly in Aruba. Since this was our first time back to Calypso Cay since Capital took over we were told we needed to go to a presentation for an owners update on our membership to get the most out of it. This happened immediately upon checking in. The staff makes you to visit another office to receive your parking pass. Instead of just giving you the pass, they coerce you into attending one of their sales presentations, which was promised to be 60 minutes in exchange for a gift. As a current deeded owner, I was told I needed to attend this meeting to activate my new membership with Capital since I haven't been to Calypso Cay since they took over. They also take your credit card and hold a 40 dollar deposit in case you do not show up.
The next day was our meeting to discuss the new membership and "upgrades" needed. My wife and I both had to attend, so we needed to bring our 3 kids with us as well. First, the podium speaker took us in to the presentation room and explained how our deeded membership was outdated and that they are going to stop allowing deeded members to use other weeks that they did not originally purchase. He informed us that since our week was week 10 we would only be able to come back on week 10. In covertingnto a Capital Points trust we would be given more flexivility to travel. Then, we were tsken from the podium speaker to a sa salesman named Daniel F. He gave a whole talk drawing circles and grids on a peice of paper and ripped off a small piece of paper explaining that this was all we owned in our deed and that a points program would be better suited for us. He then proceeded to tell us that our maintainence would be going up for our week each year and pulled up an assessment on his computer for our account that said we would have to pay 6k in assessment fees for the year in addition to our maintainence of 1800. He told us the way we could get out of this and avoid future assessments was by turning over our deed to Capital and upgrading into their membership vacation trust. The total cost would be approximately 3,000 in yearly fees, plus over 4,000 a year to pay for an additional 235,000 CV points plus 160,000 points from our Calypso Cay ownership. We were skeptical so to entice us into signing, he claimed these higher costs would be paid over the year by staying at Capital Resorts and that we would be given priority in booking and more flexibility in where to stay. They claimed we would get .02 cents in cash for every point you used that can be used to pay for annual fees and that this money could be banked for future use. We eventually agreed after 2 hours, and contracts were drafted up. Before signing, we were told what we should say in terms of why we were buying since the closing was being recorded. We were then brought into another room with another person to go over contracts and sign. Upon viewing the contract, I noticed the "upgraded" points were going to wind up costing 40k over 10 years because of a 16% interest rate!!!! 16%, which WAS NOT DISCLOSED by our salesman when he was pitching the offer to us for the upgrade to the trust. How do you not disclose an exorbitant interest rate to your buyers. In the end, stupid us, we signed to get out of there. I regretted it right away and started doing research where I stumbled onto tugbbs and learned about recision rights. 2 days later, we sent our letter of intent to cancel via certified mail to their headquarters in South Carolina. The clerk at the post office in Celebration Florida told me, " I should know this address by heart because this happens more often than you think." That quote says it all. Stay away from Capital. I hope others will read this before they get locked into debt and make a decisionthey will probably regret.
 
Glad you found TUG!!

Similar lies told to us when they took over Stormy Point in Branson. Luckily we were warned by other owners not to trade in our week prior to our first meeting w/ them.

Keep your week & continue to use it as you have. Your MF will go up since CV took over, but still be less than CV points fees. Read your deed paperwork because if it says use during a season, you can use it any week that season per your contract not just week 10. That is one of their go to lies along with the $6000 assessment. We’ve gotten several good deals going to updates, but you have to put up w/ the pressure/lies & say no several times. Our last time was 30 min & done. We just got back from using our ‘free’ cruise certificate from that trip, so it was worth it for us.
 
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Glad you found TUG!!

Similar lies told to us when they took over Stormy Point in Branson. Luckily we were warned by other owners not to trade in our week prior to our first meeting w/ them.

Keep your week & continue to use it as you have. Your MF will go up since CV took over, but still be less than CV points fees. Read your deed paperwork because if it says use during a season, you can use it any week that season per your contract not just week 10. That is one of their go to lies along with the $6000 assessment. We’ve gotten several good deals going to updates, but you have to put up w/ the pressure/lies & say no several times. Our last time was 30 min & done. We just got back from using our ‘free’ cruise certificate from that trip, so it was worth it for us.

@jrb916 As a Stormy Point owner, what grade would you give CV in managing the resort? They have been in charge for 5 years now so I think they are fully responsible for the current status of the resort.
 
@gravityrules We haven’t been to SPV since April 2022, so not sure of current condition. We were invited to a VIP weekend then & it was AWESOME. Haven’t been invited back as we said NO. We had noticed the maintenance had gone downhill since we bought in Nov 2018.

We have stayed @ SPV about 5 times using their cash options. It was a great escape during the early part of covid w/ the individual cottages. We have a tri-annual & have traded both use weeks we’ve received.

CV is the worse presentation we ever attended x100. We’ve also been to Wyndham, Blue Green & Diamond presentations over the years. They called my wife stupid & have yelled at us (as owners) since we won’t buy into their points system. Our MF have gone way up, you now get harassed to get a parking pass and the perks like extra vacations (for $299 a week) have gone away. We stayed @ Carrige Place (another CV in Branson) & didn’t have WiFi for several days. They cannot decide what xchange co. to use. We have been in II, RCI, Dex & now Trading Places ( which CV owns). Overall I would avoid them but they bought where we own & we’re not ready to give it up.
 
I've opined before here on TUG that Capital Vacations seems to be giving Wastegate a real run for their money as reigning U.S. Timeshare Weaseldom Champion. Reported personal experiences demonstrating a relentless Capital Vacations quest for "championship" status seem to be growing considerably during the past year. :ponder:
 
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I've opined before here on TUG that Capital Vacations seems to be giving Wastegate a real run for their money as reigning U.S. Timeshare Weaseldom Champion.
Reported personal experiences demonstrating a relentless Capital Vacations quest for "championship" status seem to be growing considerably during the past year. :ponder:

Perhaps they are aiming for 'International Timeshare Weaseldom Champion', outdoing the likes of Palace Resorts.

Even with their well earned reputation as the worst in sales, there are 2 other areas I would like to hear owners address. (1) satisfaction with the CV club points system (2) how does CV rate as a resort manager?

Even the 'big 3' TS have poor reputations for sales practices (although CV takes this to new lows) but apparently the Wyndham/Worldmark, Marriott, Hilton points products are viewed favorably and their resorts are generally well run and maintained.

But is the CV points product good?
TUG posts point in the direction of 'no' with higher cost and disappointing availability (compared to weeks ownership) being the complaints.

As for CV's ability to manage, you would think since CV has been built by acquiring TS management companies (SPM, Defender Resorts, VRI) this would be the thing they do well. I'm not seeing any evidence of that. With the CV expansion model being based on acquiring control of legacy independent resorts this is what they need to do well.

I'm most familiar with the Stormy Point Village Resort which CV has controlled for 5 years. I think in some ways CV considers it as one of their premier properties. The resort was started in 2005 so the oldest cottages are now 20 years old. Our first stay was in 2010 and we have been a number of times since. The physical state of the oldest cottages is in significant decline. CV is simply not adequately maintaining the property. They have stripped away many of the small nice touches such as cottage window flower boxes, fountains throughout the property, plush robes in the room, 24 hour gated access (only manned one overnight shift now). If this is typical for CV property management they have clearly set a low bar.

Any comments from owners? It would be nice to hear from any owners who are satisfied with CV points and/or CV resort management. Maybe there's a CV owner out there singing '2 out of 3 ain't bad' !
 
I absolutely despise Capital. Their model is to acquire resorts that are in distress. They buy the delinquent units for pennies on the dollar and use their newly acquired vote power to vote their own employees onto the board. Next comes increased maintenance fees and special assessments with dubious justifications. They put restrictions on what trade company they will allow you to deposit with. Read about Silver Lake Resort in Kissimmee as an example. We own at Lehigh Resort Club in Lehigh Acres, FL and had Capital as the management company. The board ditched them and went with VRI. The divorce didn't last long because Capital bought VRI so we were stuck with them again. We own a 2 bedroom lockoff and previously could bank the two parts as a one bedroom and a studio. When we tried to bank just one part Capital told us we had to bank both units as a 2 bedroom. This year our board dropped Capital again and went with a little known management company called Vacay?
 
I don’t know that the Capital Vacations model or goal is to actually acquire whole resorts, but I certainly share your contempt for Capital Vacations. At the very least, CV has plainly been using the (May, 2022) acquisition of VRI to get their foot in the door of independent (but not necessarily “in distress”) resorts managed by VRI and, once gaining that access, aggressively peddling their “convert your deeded weeks to our Capital Points” program (…serious out of pocket cash is always required to do so, of course). At some resorts (Fort Lauderdale Beach Resort comes immediately to mind) CV has also acquired numerous HOA-owned weeks to obtain inventory for their Capital Points “club” program. To their credit, FLBR dumped and evicted CV / VRI before too long. I believe that Vacatia now manages FLBR (…how well, I do not claim to know).

We have historically been quite satisfied with VRI, but since the 2022 acquisition of VRI by Capital Vacations, I watch very closely for any evidence of the hand of slimy Capital Vacations at our VRI-managed resort. So far, I don’t see (or smell) any evidence of the unsavory and unwelcome Capital m.o., but I will definitely be watching like a hawk. It might be an appropriate time for us to consider contracting with a different management company, thereby removing any option for the Capital Vacations hyenas to even set foot on the property.
 
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Perhaps they are aiming for 'International Timeshare Weaseldom Champion', outdoing the likes of Palace Resorts.

Even with their well earned reputation as the worst in sales, there are 2 other areas I would like to hear owners address. (1) satisfaction with the CV club points system (2) how does CV rate as a resort manager?

Even the 'big 3' TS have poor reputations for sales practices (although CV takes this to new lows) but apparently the Wyndham/Worldmark, Marriott, Hilton points products are viewed favorably and their resorts are generally well run and maintained.

But is the CV points product good?
TUG posts point in the direction of 'no' with higher cost and disappointing availability (compared to weeks ownership) being the complaints.

As for CV's ability to manage, you would think since CV has been built by acquiring TS management companies (SPM, Defender Resorts, VRI) this would be the thing they do well. I'm not seeing any evidence of that. With the CV expansion model being based on acquiring control of legacy independent resorts this is what they need to do well.

I'm most familiar with the Stormy Point Village Resort which CV has controlled for 5 years. I think in some ways CV considers it as one of their premier properties. The resort was started in 2005 so the oldest cottages are now 20 years old. Our first stay was in 2010 and we have been a number of times since. The physical state of the oldest cottages is in significant decline. CV is simply not adequately maintaining the property. They have stripped away many of the small nice touches such as cottage window flower boxes, fountains throughout the property, plush robes in the room, 24 hour gated access (only manned one overnight shift now). If this is typical for CV property management they have clearly set a low bar.

Any comments from owners? It would be nice to hear from any owners who are satisfied with CV points and/or CV resort management. Maybe there's a CV owner out there singing '2 out of 3 ain't bad' !
BIS Duck in the Outer Banks gave Capital Vacations the boot as management company due to poor operational performance. Capital Vacations is one of the Three Stooges of Timesharing.
 
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