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I have two reservations at the Harborside for one bedrooms with limited kitchens with Friday check-in (both on the same date). I am going to get a guest certificate for one of the units (my SIL is going to use). Does anyone know if both units will be in the same building or do I need to call and request. We were there in Feb with a Friday check-in in building 2
Thanks!
 
If the reservation is through II, they are not supposed to take any requests but they might. Even if they take the request they may not honor it. If they were made through VSE at 8 months then you still can't tell that they will be in the same building because they take inventory from both phase 1 and 2 but they should take your request and you have a better shot at them honoring the request but not guarantees.

Friday check in's are usually into building 2 for phase 1 and building 6 for phase 2. If you have a II confirmation with a unit number it doesn't mean anything it is just a place holder.
 
Unit numbers

Thanks, I was wondering if the numbers had any meaning
they are 1732 and 1778. So I suppose it doesn't matter which unit I get a guest certificate for then?
 
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Why pay for a guest certificate if you're planning to be there on the same check-in date? Just check in to both rooms and then add a name to the 2nd...
 
Why pay for a guest certificate if you're planning to be there on the same check-in date? Just check in to both rooms and then add a name to the 2nd...

Yes, this is what I did last month. Checked in for both rooms for my neice and we registered rooms in separate accounts
 
Guest certificate

I actually have the platinum membership so guest certificates are free anyway. Otherwise I would definitely do that.
 
Why pay for a guest certificate if you're planning to be there on the same check-in date? Just check in to both rooms and then add a name to the 2nd...

Technically, based on the II T&C, you are supposed to buy a guest certificate in the OPs situation. Though since they have free guest certs, makes sense to just buy it and stay in the clear.
 
Technically, based on the II T&C, you are supposed to buy a guest certificate in the OPs situation. Though since they have free guest certs, makes sense to just buy it and stay in the clear.

I agree that if you get free guest certs, you may as well obtain one. However, I'm not sure the T&Cs are clear cut on this issue. Specifically, here's what they say:

The Host Accommodations may be used only for personal and noncommercial purposes. Members are expressly prohibited from exchanging or renting the Host Accommodations, including, but not limited to offering the Host Accommodations for sale or rent to third parties through the use of a Guest Certificate or otherwise. Failure to use the Host Accommodations will not entitle Members to use the Home Resort accommodations for the period relinquished. Confirmations are issued only in the name of the Member placing the exchange request, and Host Accommodations may be used only by the Member and accompanying guests, unless a Guest Certificate is obtained from II. There is a fee for each Confirmation assigned via a Guest Certificate which must be paid, plus any applicable tax, when the certificate is requested. This Guest Certificate fee is in addition to the exchange fee required when the exchange request is placed. Notwithstanding the foregoing, Interval Platinum Members are not required to pay a Guest Certificate fee when requesting a Guest Certificate for their guests. Guest Certificates may only be obtained for personal or noncommercial purposes. Failure to secure a Guest Certificate where required for a guest of the Member when the Member does not plan to occupy the Host Accommodations (including instances where the Member has been issued Confirmations for multiple units having the same travel dates at the same Member Resort) or obtaining Guest Certificates that are used for commercial purposes may result in termination of the membership and cancellation of any existing Confirmations including those with future travel dates. Guests of Members who arrive at a Host Resort without a Guest Certificate will be denied access to the accommodations until the Member has purchased a Guest Certificate from II.

I think you're right that II's intention is for the OP to obtain a guest certificate, but if I were in this situation, I would certainly not pay for one. The T&Cs clearly state that "Host Accommodations may be used only the the Member and accompanying guests," and if we're all part of the same family/travel party, then clearly I as the Member intend to occupy multiple units and my accompanying guests are all entitled to use them without a certificate.
 
I agree that if you get free guest certs, you may as well obtain one. However, I'm not sure the T&Cs are clear cut on this issue. Specifically, here's what they say:



I think you're right that II's intention is for the OP to obtain a guest certificate, but if I were in this situation, I would certainly not pay for one. The T&Cs clearly state that "Host Accommodations may be used only the the Member and accompanying guests," and if we're all part of the same family/travel party, then clearly I as the Member intend to occupy multiple units and my accompanying guests are all entitled to use them without a certificate.

I think they're pretty clear that if you have multiple concurrent reservations you're supposed to obtain GC's for the ones that you won't be staying in:
... Failure to secure a Guest Certificate where required for a guest of the Member when the Member does not plan to occupy the Host Accommodations (including instances where the Member has been issued Confirmations for multiple units having the same travel dates at the same Member Resort) or obtaining Guest Certificates that are used for commercial purposes may result in termination of the membership and cancellation of any existing Confirmations ...
 
I think they're pretty clear that if you have multiple concurrent reservations you're supposed to obtain GC's for the ones that you won't be staying in:

They specifically state that Host Accommodations may be used by members "and accompanying guests" without a guest certificate. I understand your point, but nowhere in the language does it state that you must sleep in a room in order to avoid purchasing a guest certificate. It only says "occupy." If I am traveling with a large party and have multiple confirmations, I am clearly planning to occupy all of the rooms.
 
They specifically state that Host Accommodations may be used by members "and accompanying guests" without a guest certificate. I understand your point, but nowhere in the language does it state that you must sleep in a room in order to avoid purchasing a guest certificate. It only says "occupy." If I am traveling with a large party and have multiple confirmations, I am clearly planning to occupy all of the rooms.

I agree with you, the wording related to when GC's should be purchased may be interpreted somewhat ambiguously. But IMO the wording (bolded above) related to when/if they'll assess penalties is far more clear in that it specifically mentions instances of when Members are holding more than one concurrent reservations at the same resort/time. It's an individual choice whether to purchase GC's in that situation or not; I'm just trying to help folks make an informed choice. :)
 
I agree with you, the wording related to when GC's should be purchased may be interpreted somewhat ambiguously. But IMO the wording (bolded above) related to when/if they'll assess penalties is far more clear in that it specifically mentions instances of when Members are holding more than one concurrent reservations at the same resort/time. It's an individual choice whether to purchase GC's in that situation or not; I'm just trying to help folks make an informed choice. :)

I don't mean to split hairs, but I disagree with your interpretation.

On page 2 of the T&Cs, II defines the term "Host Accommodations" as "the resort into which the Individual Member has been issued a Confirmation."

On pages 8-9 of the T&Cs, II specifies how the "Host Accommodations" are permitted be used. There, the T&Cs are specific that "Host Accommodations may be used only by the Member and accompanying guests, unless a Guest Certificate is obtained from II."

It's quite clear, in other words, that the Member and his or her entire travel party are entitled to use the Host Accommodations without a guest certificate. II never specifies that Host Accommodations are associated with a specific unit as assigned by the resort; rather, II clearly specifies that the term refers to the use of the resort itself.

The wording you bolded does appear to confuse the issue, but it is only applicable to cases where there is a "failure to secure a Guest Certificate where required for a guest of the Member when the Member does not plan to occupy the Host Accommodations." And that, according to II's own definitions, does not apply to the scenario being discussed.

Disclaimer: IANAL, just a regular citizen who insists that companies abide by the same T&Cs their customers do, especially when the companies' own lawyers wrote them...
 
I don't mean to split hairs, but I disagree with your interpretation.

On page 2 of the T&Cs, II defines the term "Host Accommodations" as "the resort into which the Individual Member has been issued a Confirmation."

On pages 8-9 of the T&Cs, II specifies how the "Host Accommodations" are permitted be used. There, the T&Cs are specific that "Host Accommodations may be used only by the Member and accompanying guests, unless a Guest Certificate is obtained from II."

It's quite clear, in other words, that the Member and his or her entire travel party are entitled to use the Host Accommodations without a guest certificate. II never specifies that Host Accommodations are associated with a specific unit as assigned by the resort; rather, II clearly specifies that the term refers to the use of the resort itself.

The wording you bolded does appear to confuse the issue, but it is only applicable to cases where there is a "failure to secure a Guest Certificate where required for a guest of the Member when the Member does not plan to occupy the Host Accommodations." And that, according to II's own definitions, does not apply to the scenario being discussed.

Disclaimer: IANAL, just a regular citizen who insists that companies abide by the same T&Cs their customers do, especially when the companies' own lawyers wrote them...

If they didn't specifically mention holding concurrent reservations at the same resort/time then I wouldn't think that it's an issue. But because they do mention it specifically with respect to penalties that they may choose to impose, I think it's a risk worth mentioning. Plenty of people have been in that situation, didn't purchase GC's yet didn't suffer any repercussions, so I'm not saying that the risk is great enough that no-one should take the chance. I'm only saying that if they decide to enforce their penalties, it reads to me that we would have a difficult time fighting it. That's all. IAAlsoNAL :)
 
If they didn't specifically mention holding concurrent reservations at the same resort/time then I wouldn't think that it's an issue. But because they do mention it specifically with respect to penalties that they may choose to impose, I think it's a risk worth mentioning. Plenty of people have been in that situation, didn't purchase GC's yet didn't suffer any repercussions, so I'm not saying that the risk is great enough that no-one should take the chance. I'm only saying that if they decide to enforce their penalties, it reads to me that we would have a difficult time fighting it. That's all. IAAlsoNAL :)

I would agree, the text you bolded is what I was thinking of when I mentioned it. Ultimately, enforcement of the GC is left up to the member resorts and as we know they don't really enforce it. II has no way to enforce it, though they could start cancelling concurrent confirmations if a member does not buy a GC. Though we haven't seen them do that.
 
2 years ago I found a great deal on 2 studios in Sedona for the fall. I'm talking $35/night or something ridiculous like that. Sedona Summit wasn't a 5* hotel, but it was still a steal. Anyway, I asked the couple who went with us if they wanted to pay for an II guest certificate, on the off chance that we wouldn't be able to go for any reason, because they couldn't check in without me. They decided to pay it, since they'd paid several hundred bucks in airfare.
 
I think it is also there to cover their buts. I know that in general with RCI you don't need a guest cert for multiple units but at Vida (Grand Luxxe, Grand Mayan, etc) it specifically states that if there are two concurrent reservations, you need a guest cert for the second room or you will not be allowed to check in. Vida resorts are very nice and they want fresh meat for their sales department but they want the extra fees when exchanging in so they can use that as a sales tool. Vida now exchanges through II as well as RCI, SFX, and various other independents. Currently II is the least restrictive and lowest exchange fees when exchanging into Grand Luxxe and still the least restrictive when exchanging into their lower level resorts.
 
Guest certificates

I have gotten many exchanges over the years (almost 20) for family and friends with both RCI and II. I almost never buy a guest certificate. I always call the resort and either see if I can put it in the other persons name or else I say "my friend/ family member will be checking in before me" then they ask for the name and it is all good! There has only been one occasion where someone at the resort has told me I have to get a guest certificate.
The nice thing about the platinum membership is the guest certificates are free!
 
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