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Article - Why the Points Guy Won't Go Back to Hawaii

I agree with almost everything in that article. We went in Oct/Nov 2020, and returned with my dad for his "last visit home" (he was born and raised on Oahu) in April. April was more crowded than Oct, but things were still ramping up. We didn't experience any issues with local residents but it didn't hurt that we were traveling with someone who looks and talks exactly like them, but in speaking to family I know that the undercurrent is there. Mostly I hate crowds and it is nutty right now. On their own, my daughter and future son-in-law asked me to change their WKORV week to something in Colorado for their October honeymoon. Friends of theirs had just come home from Maui and had a hard time having a good time - long waits everywhere: restaurants, getting into the National Parks, finding parking at the beach etc. We too will be back but we're going to give things some time to settle down.

That said, I just received an email from Hawaiian Airlines advertising $119 flights to Maui. That isn't going to help anything.
 
Covid is the only issue right now that would give me pause about returning. We're booked for next June, and barring something similar to early 2020 happening, will be returning to Maui. We were there over July 4th week this year, and while it was the busiest I've ever seen it, I was told by multiple people who usually stay that week that it was pretty typical. It didn't detract from our enjoyment of the island one bit.

I would also kill for those sub-$120 flight deals. Flying from the East Coast is basically a few mortgage payments for a family of three.
 
My son and DIL were looking into going to Maui in October, but were deterred by the high prices and low availability of hotels and cars. I told him yesterday it was probably for the best, and to just wait until things there had calmed down. My neighbor returned from Maui a couple of weeks ago, and she said it was very crowded and congested. I hate crowds, they take too much fun out of a vacation, so I won't be going there anytime in the near future!
 
Reading that article sounds liked our earliest timeshare trip to Hawaii will now be in 2024.

Maybe, we will just take a cruise to Hawaii and theh take a cruise on the cruise ship The Pride of America and visit the Hawaiian Islands.
 
Just snagged a 2BR at Ko Olina for Oct. we went to the Big Island in Apr and was pleasantly surprised. At that time it required a negative test prior departure and post arrival to avoid quarantine. Quite inconvenient but we were happy to do so. The island was peaceful and no crowds. We ate mostly in the unit or did takeouts. The boat trip we took for Manta Rays night snorkeling had a limited capacity and mask mandate on the boat. I felt pretty safe.
 
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We'll still go to Maui. We tend to not do anything in areas that are too crowded (although the airport may be challenging). We stay in Kihei, which tends to be not as crowded as other areas. We're not going until March 2022 so we'll see what things are like by then.
 
There are plenty of destinations that welcome tourists. Why on earth would we travel to where we are not welcomed? We cancelled our November Hawaii trip and I am sure they will not miss us at all.
 
Because not everyone in Hawaii hates tourists? Not once have we ever felt unwanted on any of our trips, including our most recent visit to Maui last month.
 
There are plenty of destinations that welcome tourists. Why on earth would we travel to where we are not welcomed? We cancelled our November Hawaii trip and I am sure they will not miss us at all.
You must have read a different article - this is what it said:
I heard several locals complaining about the traffic when I was there. While the Hawaiian residents I talked to were warm and welcoming, I could feel the frustration.

So residents are frustrated over the sudden increase in traffic, and an infrastructure which is not geared up to handle the sudden huge increase in the number of visitors to Hawii. How dare they! :rolleyes:

We cancelled our November Hawaii trip and I am sure they will not miss us at all.
I agree...

I will not tolerate an "us vs them" finger pointing contest here.
 
I think a lot of the points made in the article can be used at other destinations too.
 
Almost every resort area has a subset of the local population that is anti-tourism. We own a vacation condo on Hilton Head Island, SC, and even there, we hear some locals grumbling about the tourists. As someone who is not quite a "local" there, but who spends a lot more time there than most tourists, we are somewhere in between, and we do get frustrated at times with the traffic and crowds tourism brings. But most people understand the value tourism dollars bring to a community and are open and welcoming to tourists, even if the downsides of crowds and traffic aren't always pleasant. So much in that same vein, no one should judge all local Hawaiians from the words and actions of what is likely just a very loud and vocal minority. Every Hawaiian resident I have ever met on the islands has been very welcoming and full of the spirt of Aloha. I'm sure they may grumble privately when waiting in a traffic jam in Lahaina or Honolulu (as we might also do when stuck in traffic on the US 278 bridge onto Hilton Head Island), but most people understand the value that tourism brings and are simply asking for a balance to protect what made the islands a paradise in the first place.
 
We just returned from 18 days on the Big Island. While some areas were crowded, no beaches looked like Miami Beach, or any beach in FL. We found some beaches with few people, others like Hapuna were busy, but not too busy. We never had to wait to get into a restaurant, though we didn't go to the high end ones. We rented a house then two TS, so we were able to cook quite a number of meals, or should I say everyone but me was able to cook meals. I think far to many people think Hawaii only exists on Maui. Almost everyone we know from here in Oregon go exclusively to Maui.
 
I would agree with the point guys assessment of the current situation in Hawaii we went to Oahu for thirty days from may-Jun. The resort was packed beyond normal capacities and services are still limited. Rental car prices were crazy high compared with previous Covid, I would say more than double. We fortunately have our Marriott timeshares and the resort cost was exactly the same. We noticed rooms at our resort were renting for $897 a night and we had rented rooms before for around $225. The COVID delta variant is out of control and the numbers continue to climb. We started booking 2022 weeks fir Hawaii and we are prepared for changes.
 
We are finishing three weeks on the islands--one on Maui followed by two on Kauai. While there have been some challenges this trip, it's no where near "I don't want to come back." Indeed, we are sad to be leaving tomorrow and already thinking about when our next trip might be.

Point by point:

Covid is surging. That's true in most places, and I'm not sure there's a place easier than Hawaii to vacation while it is happening. Nearly all activities are outdoors in situations where you aren't cheek-by-jowl with those around you. Yes, the beaches and hiking trails can be "busy" but it's nothing like e.g. Disney World is "busy." Heck, even most of the restaurants are open-air seating. They may be "indoors" but most are open-sided with a good cross breeze, so we have felt comfortable everywhere we've gone. We are also all vaccinated, and so that helps too.

Hawaii is reimposing restrictions. Yes, you have to wear a mask indoors. But, that's true at many other places with lots of tourists---and it's even true for me back home at the moment too, though it might not be for you. The restriction on gatherings isn't an issue for us on vacation; we don't often book Big Tours or Events that might not be able to run now, etc. The other things are things that might happen. Until they do, I'm not going to worry about them.

Residents are angry. I'm sure some are, and reportedly with good reason. But, we are trying to keep our own footprints light, and avoiding the worst of the congestion, because we don't want to be in it any more than the residents do. Oahu is busy and congested? That's not exactly new, and one reason why Oahu is ranked fourth out of the four islands I've visited so far. We decided to avoid the road to Hana even though this was our first visit to Maui, because it sounded unpleasant. We'll go some other time, and we found plenty of things to keep us busy on the western and southern sections of the island. Yes, there are a few comments about the haole, but that's not particularly new either. We make a point of paying attention to local custom and culture while we are here, and approach others with an open and humble spirit. We try to spend some of our time and money with locally-owned smaller businesses. That's because we'd rather be seen as visitors than tourists. We've found that most of the residents we've interacted with appreciate that and have welcomed us.

It's crowded. I guess the beaches have more people than usual, and a little more patience is required in the stores. I'm in Hawaii, so I'm willing to live on island time and give myself a little more wiggle room in travel when I've got something scheduled. But, in our time here, we've not been put off by crowds/lines hardly anywhere.

Shortages (rental cars/restaurants). Rental cars are an issue, for sure. But, things seem to be getting better (see the other thread on this) and happily I have a corporate negotiated rate that I'm allowed to use for personal travel that keeps a lid on costs. We were able to reserve the cars we needed, and one that we couldn't use the negotiated rate for was very expensive, but I can live with that. As for restaurants, we haven't had a problem. We made a few in advance, but most we've gotten by paying attention to e.g. Open Table periodically and catching things other people cancel. Did we always have our choice of places? No, but the meals have been good and some have been great. We also don't mind (and often prefer) going to a casual place off the beaten path that might to cater more to residents. The food is often better and more interesting at them anyway.

Lodging is expensive. I own timeshares, so I don't care what the cash rates are. Booking the timeshares might be an issue, but I do that far enough in advance that it wasn't an issue. I booked these three weeks well in advance.
 
I would agree with the point guys assessment of the current situation in Hawaii we went to Oahu for thirty days from may-Jun. The resort was packed beyond normal capacities and services are still limited. Rental car prices were crazy high compared with previous Covid, I would say more than double. We fortunately have our Marriott timeshares and the resort cost was exactly the same. We noticed rooms at our resort were renting for $897 a night and we had rented rooms before for around $225. The COVID delta variant is out of control and the numbers continue to climb. We started booking 2022 weeks fir Hawaii and we are prepared for changes.

I agree too.....we lived in Kona for many years and also have been on island for the last two months and things definitely feel a little out of control. We could not believe how many planes were at KOA when we landed.....airlines are definitely packing them in....

If you go by Magic's or Kahalu'u Beach Park they do look like Miami with almost no place to sit on the beach or even much space in the water. Two Step Beach at Honaunau Bay was definitely over run with tourists and I am sure people probably got injured because of the crowding. Alii Drive often took forever to get down.

We saw many places where people had no respect for where they parked and just did their own thing...ie, Waipio Valley, Akaka Falls, etc. This last week things have started to change a little and it could coincide with the start of school on the mainland. We do know enough places to go that are off the beaten path and pretty much not know to very many tourists so we can get around the crowding. Many popular restaurants would not take reservations until 2 or 3 weeks out.

Covid has been on the rise here and today the Ironman was rescheduled from October to February.....that's going to make a lot of renters/landlords unhappy. Also, the Mayor is talking to the gov to try and get them to reinstate pre-arrival testing whether you are vaccinated or not. Also, there is mention of closing beaches and state parks on Hawaii island to stop the spread of Covid.....stay tuned.......I would also note that most of our local friends who are not reliant on the tourist industry are put off by it all.....you have to realize that many of these VRBO properties are in local neighborhoods and it gets old having revolving neighbors constantly......
 
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you have to realize that many of these VRBO properties are in local neighborhoods and it gets old having revolving neighbors constantly......
This is one of those problems that the local gov't. could solve easily, but continue to just ignore it.
 
We are planning to go to Ko Olina for Easter break in 2022. In the article, the only thing that would deter me is if Hawaii put restrictions back up again that are too difficult to complete or that limit where we can go.
 
This is one of those problems that the local gov't. could solve easily, but continue to just ignore it.

I do not think it is being ignored by the local governments and they are trying to get vacation rentals under control. There are a lot of illegal rentals and they take money from the hotels and also remove housing from the local market for locals......it is a pretty big challenge by the thousands that have become available in recent years.............
 
I do not think it is being ignored by the local governments and they are trying to get vacation rentals under control. There are a lot of illegal rentals and they take money from the hotels and also remove housing from the local market for locals......it is a pretty big challenge by the thousands that have become available in recent years.............
I guess we'll see. This has been a topic for years now, and nothing ever seems to happen.
 
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