"12 new properties in Europe"

[letsgobobby]

In this spiel, Derek da Silva states that twelve new properties in Europe are coming online. It sounds like these would only be in Max. Which properties are these?

Hilton Grand Vacations - Q1 2023 - Update from Derek De Salvia

Hilton Grand Vacations is committed to the idea that life is incomplete without vacations. Our distinctive resort collection features luxurious accommodations in renowned destinations with the quality service that is synonymous with the Hilton name.

club.hiltongrandvacations.com

 

[HuskerATL]

I think they are all in DRI/HVC so you can look at the DRI member guide to see the properties there. That video was worthless. I hope they do better in the future ones.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

I would love the list of DRI European properties. I see on DRI FB boards discussions of Kenmore, UK, long boat tours in UK and a few resorts in in Spain.

I wonder if they are affiliates. Can they be traded via RCI?

 

[Talent312]

The video was full of pretty photos and vague platitudes.
I'd like to send Mr. da Silva a bill for wasting my time.
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[cd5]

Embarc members can go to 4 of these locations already, by using our points at inflated values (no Max). They are Vilar do Golf (Portugal), Les Mougins (France), Royal Regency (France) and Palazzo Catalani (Italy). They are all Diamond locations and not up to Embarc / HGVC standards but the locations are interesting. Diamond (and Embarc) generally trade on Interval

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Derek De Salvia is new. I believe Stan Sorkin retired. It appears that he joined HVC in 2019 and was instrumental in expanding the experiences program from DRI to HGVC. He was a former Disney TS exec. Glad to know he isn't from DRI or Apollo. That would be very concerning for sales and customer service model.

Hilton Grand Vacations Inc. - Governance - Board of Directors

investors.hgv.com

 

[brp]

The video timeshare presentation was full of pretty photos and vague platitudes.

Was that what you meant?

Cheers.

 

[letsgobobby]

there are dozens of European properties listed in the document including a number of affiliates, do we know which the first twelve will be?

 

[youppi]

I would love the list of DRI European properties. I see on DRI FB boards discussions of Kenmore, UK, long boat tours in UK and a few resorts in in Spain.

I wonder if they are affiliates. Can they be traded via RCI?

DRI resorts in Europe are (see also https://www.diamondresortsandhotels.com/Resorts)

AUSTRIA

• Alpine Club - Schladming, Austria

BALEARIC ISLANDS

• White Sands Beach Club - Menorca, Balearic Islands

CANARY ISLANDS

• Cala Blanca - Gran Canaria, Canary Islands
• Club del Carmen - Lanzarote, Canary Islands
• Jardines del Sol - Lanzarote, Canary Islands
• Royal Sunset Beach Club - Tenerife, Canary Islands
• Royal Tenerife Country Club - Tenerife, Canary Islands
• Santa Barbara Golf & Ocean Club - Tenerife, Canary Islands
• Sunset Bay Club - Tenerife, Canary Islands
• Sunset Harbour Club - Tenerife, Canary Islands
• Sunset View Club - Tenerife, Canary Islands

ENGLAND

• Cromer Country Club - Norfolk, England
• Pine Lake Resort - Lancashire, England
• Thurnham Hall - Lancashire, England
• Woodford Bridge Country Club - Devon, England
• Wychnor Park Country Club - Staffordshire, England

FRANCE

• Le Club Mougins - Mougins, France
• Royal Regency - Paris-Vincennes, France

ITALY

• Palazzo at Soriano - Soriano nel Cimino, Italy
• Palazzo Catalani - Soriano nel Cimino, Italy

PORTUGAL

• Vilar do Golf - Algarve, Portugal

SCOTLAND

• The Kenmore Club - Perthshire, Scotland

SPAIN

• Los Amigos Beach Club - Costa del Sol, Spain
• Royal Oasis - Costa del Sol, Spain
• Sahara Sunset - Costa del Sol, Spain

 

[letsgobobby]

HGVC should open bHC locations in European capitals like Paris, Rome, London, etc. Would open to a whole new European client base and likely persuade current bHC owners (me) to invest more.

 

[Arusso]

In this spiel, Derek da Silva states that twelve new properties in Europe are coming online. It sounds like these would only be in Max. Which properties are these?

Hilton Grand Vacations - Q1 2023 - Update from Derek De Salvia

Hilton Grand Vacations is committed to the idea that life is incomplete without vacations. Our distinctive resort collection features luxurious accommodations in renowned destinations with the quality service that is synonymous with the Hilton name.

club.hiltongrandvacations.com

I've learned long ago not to get my hopes up. This is especially true of this industry. The European properties have long been listed in the DRI directory. The introductory video was short on specifics and considering the rollout of HGV MAX was one year ago, this video could have been made months ago. In the future, I would welcome specific information regarding their strategic plan for the Brand. For example, what products or benefits do they (or will they offer) to differentiate themselves from the rest of the industry? So far, from what has been published and / or discussed on this forum is seems to be a boilerplate "shakedown" strategy used by others in the industry in an attempt to extract more money from current owners as they inflate the value of their product to justify the price. Naïve new owners hopefully will find this web site in time.

 

[Eric B]

Twelve new resorts on the web site with availability today, May 1, 2023:

England
Pine Lake Resort
Thurnham Hall

France
Le Club Mougins
Royal Regency Paris Vincennes

Greece
Village Heights Resort

Italy
Palazzo at Soriano
Palazzo Catalani

Portugal
Vilar do Golf

Scotland
The Kenmore Club

Spain
Royal Oasis Club
Sahara Sunset
Santa Barbara Golf & Ocean Club

I'm as surprised as the rest of you!!!

 

[letsgobobby]

Twelve new resorts on the web site with availability today, May 1, 2023:

England
Pine Lake Resort
Thurnham Hall

France
Le Club Mougins
Royal Regency Paris Vincennes

Greece
Village Heights Resort

Italy
Palazzo at Soriano
Palazzo Catalani

Portugal
Vilar do Golf

Scotland
The Kenmore Club

Spain
Royal Oasis Club
Sahara Sunset
Santa Barbara Golf & Ocean Club

I'm as surprised as the rest of you!!!

bookable at hgvc??? with hgvc points?

 

[Eric B]

bookable at hgvc??? with hgvc points?

Looks like a 6-month window so these would be through HGV Maxxx.

 

[Eric B]

Looked through a few of them; they don't look half bad. I'd be willing to give them a try in the future - anyone have any experience at any of these? A 1 BR with a kitchen in Paris for just 7,500 points in the high season seems like a good deal, for example.

 

[letsgobobby]

Looked through a few of them; they don't look half bad. I'd be willing to give them a try in the future - anyone have any experience at any of these? A 1 BR with a kitchen in Paris for just 7,500 points in the high season seems like a good deal, for example.

12th arrondissement

 

[geist1223]

The Royal Regency is only about a 10-15 minute walk from the Underground. Also the town of Vincennes is nice place to stay.

 

[ABCTravels]

I'm happy they actually came through and some of them don't seem too high on points but I do want to see the locations more closely.
Crete was one of the places I wanted to go and was assured in the sales presentation that was possible so now it appears that's actually possible...shocking actually.

Some quick glance observations are the booking window is only for 6 months so it's MAX for sure. Point values I'm seeing to give some idea of what's out there:

Crete 1 bdr- 8000/ 2 bdr 9000
England (Lancashire)- 1 bdr 5000-7.500, studios 4500-6000
Spain- 1 bdr 4700-5500, 2 bdr 7500

 

[ksimm]

Looked through a few of them; they don't look half bad. I'd be willing to give them a try in the future - anyone have any experience at any of these? A 1 BR with a kitchen in Paris for just 7,500 points in the high season seems like a good deal, for example.

Bigger question is what is the availability at 6 months?

 

[Eric B]

Bigger question is what is the availability at 6 months?

It varies; better than Cabo Azul.

 

[ksimm]

It varies; better than Cabo Azul.

I wish there was a way to look for non max people. Actually seeing if there was decent availability would push me over.

 

[dayooper]

I wish there was a way to look for non max people. Actually seeing if there was decent availability would push me over.

That’s exactly what they don’t want. No matter the availability, if you don’t have access, you can’t be disappointed to you sign in the dotted line. The sales people want to be able to talk up all the great vacations you will have via Max but not show you what’s available.

 

[ksimm]

That’s exactly what they don’t want. No matter the availability, if you don’t have access, you can’t be disappointed to you sign in the dotted line. The sales people want to be able to talk up all the great vacations you will have via Max but not show you what’s available.

I know. In our update on Monday they said that “all” the diamond members are upgrading to Max which gives them 10 months to book on the HGVC and they were all doing it because they were rich.

 

[geist1223]

We are DRI Members. We are comfortable but not rich. We have no desire to join MAX. Nor does any DRI Member we have talked to about it. This past Jan/Feb when we were at Cabo Azul the Members that attended the Sales Pitch (to include us) had nothing good to say about MAX and only bad things about their sales folks.

 

[GT75]

I know. In our update on Monday they said that “all” the diamond members are upgrading to Max which gives them 10 months to book on the HGVC

You know that statement is certainly a lie because it would break Home Week bookings for owners. They can only be 6-month booking per the rules.