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1 in 4 rule

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie

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I am looking to book another exchange for HHI. I am trying to see where I would find out if a resort has the 1 in 4 rule? I did see it written for the Southwinds Resort because it was in the discription for the resort because it was availbale for exchange. However, I am not able to access the RCI directory online. I do not see it written anywhere in the RCI book. How else would I find out without calling a VC? Thanks
 
You have found it where you find it, in the online resort information.

You will also find it when you select a resort for an exchange. If it was not already in the resort information before you select a resort, it will be on the next page, the page that tells you all the things you can't do.

And it will not let you confirm it online. You can place it on Hold and then you have a Guide so they can check you out, then check you out. :cool:
 
what is 1 in 4 rule?

sorry, if this question was answered in the newbie section. but is the 1 in 4 rule?
 
RCI rule that you can only exchange in every 4 years

RCI rule that you can only exchange in every 4 years unless you own at that resort. I one of the Grand Pacific Resorts (GPR family) and therefore I can exchange in as often as I want (I am exempt from the 1 in 4 regardless of what I deposit). It makes sense for me to own a GPR unit (2 actually) as we ive in Nor Cal and often vacation in So Cal. Other resorts simply have a 1 in 4 rule for just that resort, I think.

Kind of forced us to buy in the GPR family (thankfully resale)-but is makes a great sales pitch if you want to go to that area or resort a lot...gotta buy or only go 1 in 4 years...if you even get the exchange.
 
Is it me or does this "rule" seem to go against the very heart of timesharing? If an owner makes a unit available for exchange shouldn't anyone be able to get that week regardless of how many times they have been to that resort. It seems like a rule that RCI should not let there member resorts enforce just like II. Does anyone know if this "rule" is part of the class action suit as well?
 
There are several restrictions on the free use of timeshares. Yes, it rubs folks the wrong way. No, it likely will not change, suit or no suit.

fullnelson3 said:
Is it me or does this "rule" seem to go against the very heart of timesharing? If an owner makes a unit available for exchange shouldn't anyone be able to get that week regardless of how many times they have been to that resort. It seems like a rule that RCI should not let there member resorts enforce just like II. Does anyone know if this "rule" is part of the class action suit as well?
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Garnet said:
RCI rule that you can only exchange in every 4 years unless you own at that resort. I one of the Grand Pacific Resorts (GPR family) and therefore I can exchange in as often as I want (I am exempt from the 1 in 4 regardless of what I deposit). It makes sense for me to own a GPR unit (2 actually) as we ive in Nor Cal and often vacation in So Cal. Other resorts simply have a 1 in 4 rule for just that resort, I think.
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Since isn't true!! This isn't an RCI rule but a rule that the resorts have asked RCI to put in place. This is the resort's rule. The example is in SoCal you can exchange into the Grand Pacific Resorts only once every 4 years. RCI would be happy to let you exchange every year but the resorts want new people so that they can sell the resort and TS system to more people.
 
Actually, whose rule it is depends on who you ask. :cool:

Yes, RCI says it is the resorts' rule.

RCI never says it's their rule.

Some resorts say it is RCI's rule.

Some resorts say it is their rule.

Some resorts admit it is a rule used in order to sell more timeshares at their resort and some resorts don't like to admit that.

In any event, if RCI did not allow the rule (and they did try to eliminate it at one time, according to my source), there would be no rule. So, by that test, it is RCI's rule.

Sometimes the dog wags its tail and sometimes the tail wags its dog. :D
 
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JLB said:
In any event, if RCI did not allow the rule (and they did try to eliminate it at one time, according to my source), there would be no rule. So, by that test, it is RCI's rule.
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That's true!

FYI SFX will not allow resorts to have a 1 in 4 rule.
 
1 in 4 is an RCI marketing tool to attract developers to RCI rather than II. If a developer wants the 1 in 4, RCI allows it. Has anyone ever seen a 1 in 4 at a sold out resort?
 
Don't get me started. It's been 9 years since I fought our 1-in-4 fight. :cool:

derb said:
1 in 4 is an RCI marketing tool to attract developers to RCI rather than II. If a developer wants the 1 in 4, RCI allows it. Has anyone ever seen a 1 in 4 at a sold out resort?
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derb said:
1 in 4 is an RCI marketing tool to attract developers to RCI rather than II. If a developer wants the 1 in 4, RCI allows it. Has anyone ever seen a 1 in 4 at a sold out resort?
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Yes, the :D Rushes in Door County, Wisconsin.

Bruce :D
 
Has anyone ever booked a resort with 1 and 4 and got there only to be denied a room by the resort?
 
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I said don't do that, don't get me started!!!!:eek:

In the days of yore that was an endless debate here. Several has shared that confirmations had been cancelled well after received by the member, well after other travel plans had been made.

Urban legend Bootleg steadfastly contended that RCI resorts would never turn anyone away at check-in, for any reason, if they had an exchange confirmation. I and others posted about the many checks that are used to catch 1-in-4 violators, the last check being as room assignments are being made for the week, the since resorts use various systems, that was a final chance to catch violators.

Then, one person who had been concerned, and posting on a similar thread to this, posted that on the Tuesday of check-in week, her reservation was cancelled. Then, Week 1 of 2004 (I believe) as I was standing in line to check in at OLCC, I saw dozens of people with Exchange Confirmations being turned away. Not because of 1-in-4 (1-in-3) in that case, but it contradict Bootleg's claim that that never happens.

And, yes, our situation was at a resort that was sold-out, and that we had been to 6 of the previous 7 years, the same week, because of business, and it was the only RCI resort in the state!!!!

Now I'm started. I'm remembering it again. Those hateful words, "We have a legal department for people like you." There aren't many phrases more hateful than people like you, a phrase that denotes that something is wrong with the person. What was wrong with us was that we had a different meaning of confirmation than RCI did. In RCI's dictionary, after the regular definition it said, "or not, at our discretion."

Ours was especially strange in that not only did the 1-in-4 rule come out of nowhere, but when I booked the exchange the Guide said she would look into it--after looking at our exchange history--and if we got a Confirmation it would be because it was approved.

We did and when we got cancelled later and I checked around to see how that came about, the resort told me that the RCI area rep had called them, well after the fact, and asked them to specifically check their list for us, and we got cancelled. Of course, that version was denied by RCI.

But, good came from it. Live and learn. Forgive and forget. Turn the other cheek. Judge not lest ye be judged.

:D

lprstn said:
Has anyone ever booked a resort with 1 and 4 and got there only to be denied a room by the resort?
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II has the 50 mile rule - if you own a timeshare in some places - Orlando - then you can't exchange into any resorts for 50 miles.

you can get around that rule by owning somewhere else and Orlando -or just somewhere else....
 
That is called a Regional Block, and RCI has it too. It does not have to apply to all resorts in your home area. Those who do not want other local resorts trading into them decide that for themselves. When we owned in Orlando we could trade into some resorts through both II and RCI, but not others.

As for II Getaways, when we owned in Orlando, II blocked us from even seeing them. I took that on as a pet project and II relaxed that to where if you owned something else away from Orlando you could get Orlando Getaways. Since we owned elsewhere and II had a record of that, we then could see Orlando Getaways.

Then, suddenly, we could not again. When I checked with II, that was because of an error in their website. That's where I left that project, and that was several years ago.

On our last Wastegate tour, in Dec/2006, the only thing they attempted to offer us was an EOY, so that we could could unlimited Disney Getaways through II. So, that contradicts what you are saying, but, of course, that was a TS sales weasel talking.

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II has the 50 mile rule - if you own a timeshare in some places - Orlando - then you can't exchange into any resorts for 50 miles.

you can get around that rule by owning somewhere else and Orlando -or just somewhere else....
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:doh: Another question...How is the 1 in 4 rule used for people who own within a point system, and own at 2 resorts. For instance I own with Wyndam, but in Nashville (new resale purchase) and in Orlando. If I bank a week, how does the 1 and 4 rule apply to me? or to others that own points at multiple resorts in one point system?

Also, how does the boudary rule apply? When you own at various locations within the same point system?
 
I don't think the 1 in 4 rule applies to the points system. But...at least for the GPR system, there are VERY FEW units that have converted from the originally sold weeks to points and those exchanges I believe are very hard to get. (Exception is the new Marbrisa, a co-Hilton thing in Carlsbad for which there are few resales currently).

And yes-I have heard of several reports of people being turned down upon check-in after getting an RCI confirmation for 1 in 4 rule violations.

It's been said many times...buy where (and when!) you want to go...
 
Bill4728 said:
Since isn't true!! This isn't an RCI rule but a rule that the resorts have asked RCI to put in place. This is the resort's rule. The example is in SoCal you can exchange into the Grand Pacific Resorts only once every 4 years. RCI would be happy to let you exchange every year but the resorts want new people so that they can sell the resort and TS system to more people.
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Though it is not an RCI rule, it only applies to RCI exchanges. Use an independent exchange company and you don't have to worry about it.
 
I called RCI and asked them the question about Wyndam Resorts and if I owned 2 different ones as well as my Sheraton does the "1 and 4" rule apply to me if I bank a different resort week. The 3 customer support people that I talked to (yes I called them 3 times and spoke to 3 different people to make sure that they told me the same thing ;) )

I was told that the "1 and 4" rule is ACCOUNT driven not resort deposit driven. Meaning that if I bank my Sheraton Vistana, and my 28K wyndam week and try to get into the same resort, I would be denied no matter what I deposited. Unless I personally own at the resort with the 1 and 4 yr rule.:cool:
 
We just returned from HHI, and stayed at the Southwind II resort. We really enjoyed it, and would love to go back next year, however they have a 1 in 4 rule. What I have to question about the rule is that there were definately units empty this week at the resort. I was able to pull a unit at the resort with a spare week that I was playing around with just a week or so before we left for HHI. So why would the resort deny us using the resort if they are going to be empty anyway? That makes no sense to me.
 
SFX earns new customer

Thanks for heads up on SFX. Just confirmed that they will accept my resort week. Unfortunately they do not accept all of my RCI weeks (no SA). They have however earned a new customer. Thanks again for all those who responded to my query.
 
fullnelson3 said:
Thanks for heads up on SFX. Just confirmed that they will accept my resort week. Unfortunately they do not accept all of my RCI weeks (no SA). They have however earned a new customer. Thanks again for all those who responded to my query.
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Be cautious! If you want a HHI week exchange through SFX, I really wonder if they exist. They will say yes, they get HHI weeks all the time. I have gotten weeks for HHI through RCI but never from SFX.
 
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