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Charged Higher Abound Points amount than MVC Chart says

marriottdude

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Hi Tuggers, I booked Crystal Shores 12/20-27, 2026 for a 3 br Island side. The points chart for Marco for that week shows "Christmas week" being 12/18-25 costing 5,625 points. The following week is a little higher (6,075) and I realized I overlap a bit, but I got charged 6,575 points. I spoke with a MVC rep who said the property can adjust what they charge. I suspect there have been other threads on TUG on this topic but I failed to find any in my search. This is a first for me and I find it misleading and frustrating. Has anyone else experienced this? Why have charts if they're not being honored? Thanks for your feedback.
 
Hi Tuggers, I booked Crystal Shores 12/20-27, 2026 for a 3 br Island side. The points chart for Marco for that week shows "Christmas week" being 12/18-25 costing 5,625 points. The following week is a little higher (6,075) and I realized I overlap a bit, but I got charged 6,575 points. I spoke with a MVC rep who said the property can adjust what they charge. I suspect there have been other threads on TUG on this topic but I failed to find any in my search. This is a first for me and I find it misleading and frustrating. Has anyone else experienced this? Why have charts if they're not being honored? Thanks for your feedback.
Yes, I have posted about this several times. It happens when you cross over a week that's elevated and they're put emphasis on the certain days, usually weekends. MVC flows their weeks off Friday to Friday. If you can walk it back to Fri to Fri for the same number of nights the chart will be as stated. It's not that the resort is changing it on the fly. You just picked up the higher weekend points of the New Years week. This happened to me 2 years in a row for 4th of July HHI but in my case it was for maybe 12 of 13 units total over 2 years so in the 8000-10000 point range more. I think this will happen about every 6 years in my case for our family trip.
 
Thanks for your feedback. I guess I'm confused because the charge is for an amount higher than the following week so I can't make the math work.
 
The problem here is the points chart doesn't break out the cost for individual nights for holiday weeks like it used to in the past. So you can't see the breakdown for each individual night. The chart shows Christmas week starting on Friday the 18th that doesn't really include Christmas as you would checkout on Christmas day. By choosing a 20th checkin you are booking the four peak points nights during that two week span which causes cheaper night to be dropped from the calculation. Neither the Christmas week nor New Year week include all those peak nights.

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That's super helpful, thank you. Where did your chart come from?
 
That's super helpful, thank you. Where did your chart come from?
This is the Points Calculator in the Helpful Tools section under Resources of the Owner Site.
 
Gotta love how they come up with these ad-hoc answers...
They make stuff up just to get people off the phone. They would instead be better to research it and determine the real cause, but that might take more time. The problems of corporate metrics. The same reason the fast food drive through asks you to pull forward even when there is no one behind you in line.
 
Gotta love how they come up with these ad-hoc answers...
Yeah, an "I am not sure, let me research and I will get back to you" would be much preferred to a made up BS answer.
 
Yeah, an "I am not sure, let me research and I will get back to you" would be much preferred to a made up BS answer.
If they put that type of effort into things they can't fix anyway we'd never get through to them on the phone.
 
If they put that type of effort into things they can't fix anyway we'd never get through to them on the phone.
The problem is lack of training. I just rewatched the Undercover Boss episode with Stephen Cloobeck of Diamond Resorts. He was hot mad when he sat with a call center employee because the employee didn't understand the product she was trying to help owners with. It was a lack of training. This unfortnatly is all too common in call centers.

The call center agent should have easily been able to look at the nightly points cost and explain the reasoning for being charged more points. Instead they just made something up that didn't make sense.
 
If they put that type of effort into things they can't fix anyway we'd never get through to them on the phone.
So you’d rather be lied to, for the sake of efficiency?
 
The problem is lack of training. I just rewatched the Undercover Boss episode with Stephen Cloobeck of Diamond Resorts. He was hot mad when he sat with a call center employee because the employee didn't understand the product she was trying to help owners with. It was a lack of training. This unfortnatly is all too common in call centers.

The call center agent should have easily been able to look at the nightly points cost and explain the reasoning for being charged more points. Instead they just made something up that didn't make sense.
This would be beyond my expectation for the front lines of the call center though within my expectation for a supervisor. YMMV.
 
This is one reason I prefer to make my points reservation on the website. When you are making your reservations, you can see the actual point costs for each night in the drop down box. If you look at each of these two weeks, there are likely higher costs per night on some of the nights. Holiday weeks allocate points differently per night than other weeks. If you are flexible, you can actually save a lot by selecting the nights that don't have the highest cost.
 
So you’d rather be lied to?
No, that's not it. An honest answer would have been better but I don't think that a front line person should have to dig this out and make a call. Likely should have sent it to a supervisor.
 
This would be beyond my expectation for the front lines of the call center though within my expectation for a supervisor. YMMV.
The front lines shouldn't know or be able to look up how much individual nights cost? I disagree.
 
No, that's not it. An honest answer would have been better but I don't think that a front line person should have to dig this out and make a call. Likely should have sent it to a supervisor.
It likely took dioxide 30 seconds, once logged in. I don’t think that is too much effort for an agent to provide an accurate response.
 
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It likely took dioxide 30 seconds, once logged in. I don’t thing that is too much effort for an agent to provide an accurate response.
It actually took me 60 seconds :) because I had to do 2FA to be able to login. What a PIA. I know some people think it makes things more secure, and it does, but it is a nuisance. Is someone really going to log in to my account and book my weeks?
 
I think this is actually a place that a well implemented AI would potentially help "decent" call center employees. I remember working in a MCI call center years ago, like in 2003. The computers were ancient, you couldn't have more than one website open at a time (no tabs or multiple browser windows allowed) each click took 10 seconds or more to load, AND you had to go in and out across 3-5 systems. So while I knew were stuff was, if I hadn't memorized it by accident, or in the 1 week training, I would have to ask people to wait minutes as I switched around, and this assumed I remembered the exact place to go to do the lookup and didn't get lost.

However, I also remember I was the only one (having gone to college before) who wasn't massively surprised by the density and speed of content for the training week of the hires. And we were in upstate NY so no language barrier. They're not paying for educated or even quick thinking, they're not investing in the documentation or technology or training to make people good at all the weird edge cases (and especially today, about the only reason 90% of people call in is hitting an edge case). They're also not @dioxide45 - these call center people likely have never used the system, or have access to the owner site to know about the points calculator etc.

The biggest issue is just that the KPI is time on a call. Lower is better. They're clearly not getting graded on quality of the answers or service. So they probably just work to the metric. I fully blame the management for all of this - they don't want to spend the time or money to improve the system.

On the AI side I finally had a success today with Claude Sonnet pulling together lots of information around a open source product integration between Foreman and Puppet. I was able to send it log snippets and it found relevant bug reports and forum threads to synthesize the issue, as well as give various useful options to parse existing logs to find more of the root cause as well as improve logging for the future. This is likely at or above the data synthesization level needed to go over all the odd rules and interactions in MVC points and explain as well as point the user to the info themselves so they can reference. Of course, it also cost my work ~$0.70 which is quite a lot as far as API AI goes for text and web parsing. I doubt MVC want's to pay that amount per interaction (figure time and number of queries and follow ups I'd guesstimate it might be over $5/hr if run continuously) as I do wonder if that wouldn't end up more expensive than the current (likely) offshored phone reps. Then again, that would probably need to be in addition to the current reps, at least for a while as I haven't been impressed with many of the current AI CS replacements I've encountered.
 
The front lines shouldn't know or be able to look up how much individual nights cost? I disagree.
I'm looking at the deeper components including why it's different for a Friday to Friday than a Saturday to Saturday stay. I would agree that the front lines could tell the number of points per night, I would not expect them to be versed in the underlying policies that cause it. I bet most here didn't know it's because the base calendar is set up with Friday as the start date (like DVC) which is actually the issue here.
 
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