Our entire flight had Boarding Passes and Identification checked at gate by TSA

[simpsontruckdriver]

My daughter used to work at Disney. One of the funniest experiences was a family objecting to being filmed and having their biometrics recorded by Disney. I get it. Some people are super concerned about their privacy. After tolerating the father's nonsense for a bit the security finally said to the man, well sir maybe Disneyworld is not the best vacation choice for your family and directed him to the ticket booth for a refund. The man acquiesced to the security procedures pretty quick after that...

As a current Disney World CM, I was told the only thing the biometric system does is to essentially tag a fingerprint to the card. That way, if the person uses another card to enter another park, the system would flag it. I actually had it happen when I took some friends to Animal Kingdom on my free admission, I pulled out the unused card accidentally as I get 3 per day. I pulled out the active one, and they were off to enjoy the day! The fingerprint system is erased once the last park (usually Magic Kingdom) is closed.

TS

 

[TolmiePeak]

As a current Disney World CM, I was told the only thing the biometric system does is to essentially tag a fingerprint to the card. That way, if the person uses another card to enter another park, the system would flag it. I actually had it happen when I took some friends to Animal Kingdom on my free admission, I pulled out the unused card accidentally as I get 3 per day. I pulled out the active one, and they were off to enjoy the day! The fingerprint system is erased once the last park (usually Magic Kingdom) is closed.

TS

Yep pretty much what I expect. I also get a kick out of those who don't want to be filmed. Don't people know that Disney is a high value target and they have thousands of cameras who are running fascial recognition for everyone who walks through the front gate? They have access to a list of bad actors the federal government keeps and if one of them even approaches Disney dozens of security will show up in seconds.

 

[Rolltydr]

When flying internationally, gate agents have checked my boarding pass and my passport
Gate agents are employed by the airline
Not the Transportation Security Administration personnel

I've been following this thread since you started it several days ago. I still don't understand what your concerns are. You don't mention any significant flight delay. In fact, you state this probably only added 10-15 minutes to the process. You don't mention any harassment by the TSA officers. You don't mention any concerns expressed by any of the passengers going through this process. TSA agents provide security at airports and as others have stated above, I find this normal in today's world of air travel. Furthermore, you say the TSA agents had no scanners, didn't check carryons and had no way to determine if someone was using a fake ID. DW is a retired federal law enforcement officer and let me assure you, you have no idea what information they had and what, if anything, they were looking for. Obviously, they were looking for something, or as someone else mentioned, it could have just been a live training exercise. Based on what you've stated in your previous posts, what was so disturbing about the incident to you?

 

[fillde]

It could be a passenger saw someone taking pictures of someone's boarding pass and alerted TSA. The following video shows a passenger getting by airline personnel.

 

[jp10558]

My daughter used to work at Disney. One of the funniest experiences was a family objecting to being filmed and having their biometrics recorded by Disney. I get it. Some people are super concerned about their privacy. After tolerating the father's nonsense for a bit the security finally said to the man, well sir maybe Disneyworld is not the best vacation choice for your family and directed him to the ticket booth for a refund. The man acquiesced to the security procedures pretty quick after that...

I cannot figure out why Disney needs to have biometrics on guests. No one else (that I'm aware of) needs this, and it's just something more to get hacked. On the other side of all this, it's theater again because you know what would be a great target for "nefarious stuff"? That queue where people are waiting to get scanned.

 

[dioxide45]

I cannot figure out why Disney needs to have biometrics on guests. No one else (that I'm aware of) needs this, and it's just something more to get hacked. On the other side of all this, it's theater again because you know what would be a great target for "nefarious stuff"? That queue where people are waiting to get scanned.

I understand that Disney does it to tie a ticket to a person. Tickets are non transferable. This basically eliminated the ticket resale market. People would buy a long 10 day hopper ticket and then use a few days and turn around and sell the ticket. Longer tickets were cheaper per day, so it made sense.

That said, I don't really understand Disney's system. I've had issues before when entering a park on my Annual Pass where the fingerprint didn't work. They didn't want to see ID or anything. They just come over and snap a photo with their iPad, reset something in their system and have you scan your pass and do the fingerprint again.

 

[Rolltydr]

I cannot figure out why Disney needs to have biometrics on guests. No one else (that I'm aware of) needs this, and it's just something more to get hacked. On the other side of all this, it's theater again because you know what would be a great target for "nefarious stuff"? That queue where people are waiting to get scanned.

I can't figure out why more places don't use it. Like sports stadiums, concert venues, etc. Anywhere that large numbers of people gather for entertainment events or whatever. They can be targets for large-scale violence and any safety measures that would help keep it safe should at least be considered. Disney, as far as I know, has an excellent track record in avoiding such things, so I have no problem with them using biometrics.

 

[jp10558]

I can't figure out why more places don't use it. Like sports stadiums, concert venues, etc. Anywhere that large numbers of people gather for entertainment events or whatever. They can be targets for large-scale violence and any safety measures that would help keep it safe should at least be considered.

If it at all helped with that, I'm sure I'd consider it. But just saying it helps with safety doesn't mean it does. Again, have you ever waited in line to get through the "safety checks"? You know what is protecting that line? Nothing. You can't have an ID check or weapons check or whatever check directly on people before they get to the check, and it's impractical to have some sort of timed entry such that there's never more than a few people lined up.

Disney, as far as I know, has an excellent track record in avoiding such things, so I have no problem with them using biometrics.

Except, for Disney, and any private company operating legally, all the biometric does is give them more data that can be hacked. It's not like they can tie it to arrest records, and even if they could, denying entry based on that is AFAIK potentially illegal, or at least grounds for someone to have a lawsuit. In terms of catching someone after the fact - at least for the ones reported on the news - we're not having trouble now. The vast majority that I'm aware of either die on site or are captured within hours if not directly on site. Biometrics doesn't help there.

 

[Rolltydr]

But just saying it helps with safety doesn't mean it does.

No, the fact there haven't been any major incidents, and very few minor ones, afaik, is evidence that it does help and I guarantee you that Disney and law enforcement officials have more evidence that it does. The fact that you don't think it helps doesn't mean they shouldn't use it.

all the biometric does is give them more data that can be hacked.

Yes, it could be hacked and the information stolen. Just like almost anything else in the world today. Are we going to stop using technology to prevent that? I don't think so.

 

[CericRushmore]

I've been following this thread since you started it several days ago. I still don't understand what your concerns are. You don't mention any significant flight delay. In fact, you state this probably only added 10-15 minutes to the process. You don't mention any harassment by the TSA officers. You don't mention any concerns expressed by any of the passengers going through this process. TSA agents provide security at airports and as others have stated above, I find this normal in today's world of air travel. Furthermore, you say the TSA agents had no scanners, didn't check carryons and had no way to determine if someone was using a fake ID. DW is a retired federal law enforcement officer and let me assure you, you have no idea what information they had and what, if anything, they were looking for. Obviously, they were looking for something, or as someone else mentioned, it could have just been a live training exercise. Based on what you've stated in your previous posts, what was so disturbing about the incident to you?

Not OP, but when we experienced this is early January. It didn't cause any delay to the flight. This was before the new administration even started, so this happening isn't anything new, I am assuming.

 

[jp10558]

No, the fact there haven't been any major incidents, and very few minor ones, afaik, is evidence that it does help and I guarantee you that Disney and law enforcement officials have more evidence that it does. The fact that you don't think it helps doesn't mean they shouldn't use it.

They should be able to explain and show us the evidence that it helps, or forgive me for not just trusting a huge corporation and the government. I'm sure strip searching everyone could be claimed to help make people safer, but safer than what? We need to recognize and accept a baseline risk, and for me that's the risk of driving to the location. If the risk is already at or below that, I want to have a discussion on why it needs to go lower at the expense of people's privacy etc.

Yes, it could be hacked and the information stolen. Just like almost anything else in the world today. Are we going to stop using technology to prevent that? I don't think so.

IDK, we are stopping using technology or curtailing its use for that in some spaces. Look up the "must show up in person one time to be hired" rules because of "fake employees" in the news. Or some companies not using cloud services because of data sovereignty concerns. IDK about Disney, but in NY we actually do explicitly work to not collect some information because having it doesn't help us and it just means more risk in a data breach.

 

[Rolltydr]

Look up the "must show up in person one time to be hired" rules because of "fake employees" in the news.

No, thank you. I prefer to spend my leisure time on much more pleasant, and productive, endeavors than chasing conspiracy theories down rabbit holes.

 

[TolmiePeak]

I cannot figure out why Disney needs to have biometrics on guests. No one else (that I'm aware of) needs this, and it's just something more to get hacked. On the other side of all this, it's theater again because you know what would be a great target for "nefarious stuff"? That queue where people are waiting to get scanned.

So people won't share multiday tickets.

 

[FunnyFarm]

I get the fact that some people object to biometric security
Such as is being used at the time of entering TSA security area
This check did not involve biometric security
TSA personnel had no visible scanning equipment to check the validity of my or anyone else's identification
They did check to see if Driver's license had the "Real ID" mark on a driver's license
Since I used a Passport Card
There was very little scrutiny of my ID
I board in group 5
So I watched them check the ID's of the first third of the people boarding

What is a passport card?

 

[dioxide45]

What is a passport card?

The U.S. Passport Card can be used for land (and sea) border crossings into the United States from Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Bermuda. Many people use it for closed loop cruises. It is cheaper to get vs. the book.

 

[emeryjre]

What is a passport card?

I have carried a passport card for many years

I have both the standard passport book which costs $130 to renew
And a passport card which costs $30 to renew

The passport card fits into my wallet like a driver's license or credit card

I crossed into Mexico frequently and to was easier to carry than the passport book

As mentioned above the passport card has limitations as to when it can be used for International Travel

 

[WorldT]

No, thank you. I prefer to spend my leisure time on much more pleasant, and productive, endeavors than chasing conspiracy theories down rabbit holes.

Fake employees applying for rully remote jobs is unfortunately true. Some of them qualify for the job but do not meet residency requirements. Some do not meet the job requirements but hire someone to score the job for them.
This has affected some well known companies. For example KnowBe4. Interestingly, this company is a cyber security company of which I am very familiar with.
Some companies have decided to pay for a visit to the company location as part of the hiring process to mitigate this problem.

 

[Rolltydr]

Fake employees applying for rully remote jobs is unfortunately true. Some of them qualify for the job but do not meet residency requirements. Some do not meet the job requirements but hire someone to score the job for them.
This has affected some well known companies. For example KnowBe4. Interestingly, this company is a cyber security company of which I am very familiar with.
Some companies have decided to pay for a visit to the company location as part of the hiring process to mitigate this problem.

As I said above, I choose to spend my precious time and energy in more pleasurable pursuits than scouring the internet for questionable things people may or may not be doing.

 

[WorldT]

As I said above, I choose to spend my precious time and energy in more pleasurable pursuits than scouring the internet for questionable things people may or may not be doing.

My response was only related to the conspiracy theory label.

 

[PigsDad]

As I said above, I choose to spend my precious time and energy in more pleasurable pursuits than scouring the internet for questionable things people may or may not be doing.

@WorldT is correct -- fake employees are very real and are more pervasive than is publicly reported for the simple reason that companies who get taken in these scams have no desire to publicly acknowledge it happens to them, as it would be an embarrassment and a tarnish on the company's image. I am retired from a major computer / IT company (I would venture to say at least one product of my former company's equipment has been in each and every TUGer's homes at one point or another), and i know of a couple fake employees / contractors that were hired just in my department. Being remote and outsourced from a foreign country made it easier to slip through the hiring process. The security risks to sensitive data was a real threat and not questionable in the least.

Kurt

 

[Rolltydr]

Ignoring this thread in the pursuit of happiness.