Embarc members now have free access to DEX!

[davidhartwig1]

Maybe the Time Share industry is responding to the market for a change. High fees, high purchase prices and you compete with the guy off the street who rents a unit without all the hassle, complications and obligations. I got rid of my last time share contacting the time share company and did NOT fall for one of the "Time Share Exit" companies. The timeshares were no longer useful for me for about 10 years and were a costly expense with no chance of using them.
Watch out for the "Exit" companies! They charge fees for doing basically nothing, and you get the same results contacting the time share company directly. My fees are gone, and If I ever get the chance to travel, I have the option of renting a timeshare or go to a fine hotel. All my timeshares were paid for with no mortgage but the maintenance fees were painful.
Another pit to watch out for are the scams that I almost fell into where some company calls to "buy" your timeshare from you for an incredible price, but they want you to send THEM the back maintenance fees, which they will "Fix". Yeah, right. Wire the money to a hotel in Mexico you never heart of. Very sophisticated scam, at least to me. They used, or scammed some legitimate ( I guess) law firms phone number and address. Why would they buy from me at a fantastic price when they could get a timeshare for $1?
TUG membership keeps me abreast of what is going on, and if I want to rent a unit legitimately from someone, I can feel more secure about not getting scammed.

 

[Tacoma]

Remember most of the time you get a Unit through DEX there will be a daily Resort Fee.

Not for Embarc or HVC properties if you own in HGV.

Sorry can you clarify this for me. I own embarc so if I exchange in DEX there won't be a daily fee?

 

[HuskerATL]

Sorry can you clarify this for me. I own embarc so if I exchange in DEX there won't be a daily fee?

There should not be. We don't own in Embarc but it should work the same as it does for HGVC owners using DEX.

 

[GT75]

@Tacoma, when I traded into Embarc Panorama via DEX exchange from a HGVC Craig Lodge, I was considered an Embarc member, so no fees. I would think that Embarc members trading into HVC/HGVC would be treated as members also, so no fees. @cd5, can you weigh in because I can only verify our trades into Embarc properties?

 

[mandl]

Thank you for the info on Vancouver. Really helpful.

 

[cd5]

Not for Embarc or HVC properties if you own in HGV.

Sorry can you clarify this for me. I own embarc so if I exchange in DEX there won't be a daily fee?

We have several members in our FB group who have confirmed they did not pay any "resort fees" as we are considered "members" even for HVC resorts. Was also confirmed Vidanta charged $150 rather than the fee charged when exchanging with other companies.

 

[cd5]

As an old HGVC owner we have never reserved a week and deposited it into RCI, and would not consider it. I would hope DEX cannot access Kingsland and MarBrisa that easy, as it’s not equally fair to those of us who can no longer access the four Club IntraWest we used to back in the day (Vancouver, Palm Desert, San Destin, Whistler) without buying into MAX.

Or just buy some Embarc points and you'll have full access to all 9 resorts. And all members now have DEX. If you're already in Hilton, and like Embarc, I don't see the point of buying into another Hilton

 

[dioxide45]

I understand that resort fees in DEX are not the same as what you see for the same resorts in RCI. Only a few properties show a resort fee in the DEX guide and I think those are GPX properties and Vidanta.

 

[dioxide45]

Or just buy some Embarc points and you'll have full access to all 9 resorts. And all members now have DEX. If you're already in Hilton, and like Embarc, I don't see the point of buying into another Hilton

Is there a new DEX guide for Embarc members like there is for North American weeks, EU and collection points?

 

[HuskerATL]

In DEX EU, many or all the properties show resort fees for rentals but, in a second paragraph, it says owners do not pay them when using weeks. So far, we have been seen as owners in HVC and Embarc so no fees.

 

[GT75]

Is there a new DEX guide for Embarc members like there is for North American weeks, EU and collection points?

Yes, but not new.

2025 HGVC, HCNY, HGV Max Club Rules, Fees and Tips

2025 HGVC, HCNY, HGV Max Club Rules, Fees and Tips (1) Hilton Grand Vacations Club (HGVC) 2025 Club Rules & Fees & Resorts Club Point Charts and Open Season Rates - Post #2 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 Fee Change Comparison - Post #3 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025 Open Season Rate Change Comparison -...

tugbbs.com

 

[cd5]

Is there a new DEX guide for Embarc members like there is for North American weeks, EU and collection points?

If you're in Embarc there is. It's in the "Club" tab, in "Destination Exchange".
Did you want to compare it? It's a 2024 version though.Maybe they'll wake up and do a new one considering the change they're making.

 

[HuskerATL]

If you're in Embarc there is. It's in the "Club" tab, in "Destination Exchange".
Did you want to compare it? It's a 2024 version though.Maybe they'll wake up and do a new one considering the change they're making.

If it is the same as last year, then it is in the one post that I had about depositing in DEX. All 4 DEX guides are there. I will find the link.

 

[GT75]

I will find the link.

Already in Post #36

 

[dioxide45]

In DEX EU, many or all the properties show resort fees for rentals but, in a second paragraph, it says owners do not pay them when using weeks. So far, we have been seen as owners in HVC and Embarc so no fees.

What do you mean "for rentals"? Is this different than exchanging through DEX? I looked at the 2024 DEX PDF guide and don't see any mention of resort fees. Are you referring to what you can see online about resort fees?

 

[HuskerATL]

What do you mean "for rentals"? Is this different than exchanging through DEX? I looked at the 2024 DEX PDF guide and don't see any mention of resort fees. Are you referring to what you can see online about resort fees?

Here are a few examples. All the ones that I have seen are similar but we have not been charged resort fees yet for the Embarc, DRI, or HVC properties where we have stayed.

HGVC Sandestin (Embarc)

HVC The Cove

KBC

HGVC Whistler (Embarc)

 

[HuskerATL]

What do you mean "for rentals"? Is this different than exchanging through DEX? I looked at the 2024 DEX PDF guide and don't see any mention of resort fees. Are you referring to what you can see online about resort fees?

We have even used the cash option, Destination Xtras, for HVC Fairway Forest and were not charged a resort fee...so I am not sure what they mean by rentals.

Here is the info for Fairway Forest

 

[HuskerATL]

What do you mean "for rentals"? Is this different than exchanging through DEX? I looked at the 2024 DEX PDF guide and don't see any mention of resort fees. Are you referring to what you can see online about resort fees?

BTW, you see these when you search for a property and when the results come, you click on the property. When the property page loads, go to the Fact Sheet tab on the right...at least in DEX EU.

 

[dioxide45]

BTW, you see these when you search for a property and when the results come, you click on the property. When the property page loads, go to the Fact Sheet tab on the right...at least in DEX EU.

View attachment 115064

I wonder if Max owners see the same type of thing? Is this information perhaps used across the board in a number of different areas? Perhaps the same is shown when someone is looking at booking the same through The Club using their HVC (aka DRI collection) points?

 

[HuskerATL]

I wonder if Max owners see the same type of thing? Is this information perhaps used across the board in a number of different areas? Perhaps the same is shown when someone is looking at booking the same through The Club using their HVC (aka DRI collection) points?

Good question. Since it is a Diamond thing and it is still really ran by Diamond, then probably. The website still says Diamond and the receipts after paying for things still say Diamond. I suspect it is their arrangements and probably similar across Diamond services. Not sure about Max though.

 

[iftravel]

Very confusing that Embarc points are also called “HGVC points” in many resale places and have similar notional values. Do Embarc points work the same as the “true” HGVC points but better now with DEX?

 

[GT75]

Very confusing that Embarc points are also called “HGVC points” in many resale places and have similar notional values. Do Embarc points work the same as the “true” HGVC points but better now with DEX?

I don't really understand your question. Embarc points are embarc points and can not be used as booking Legacy HGVC resorts. Embarc points can be only be used at the original 9 Embarc resorts plus a few additional affiliates.

 

[iftravel]

I don't really understand your question. Embarc points are embarc points and can not be used as booking Legacy HGVC resorts. Embarc points can be only be used at the original 9 Embarc resorts plus a few additional affiliates.

Like this. Is it Embarc points or HGVC points?

Hilton Grand Vacations Club Sandestin Resale $999

Destin, Florida / Posting R1325786

www.redweek.com

 

[HuskerATL]

Like this. Is it Embarc points or HGVC points?

Hilton Grand Vacations Club Sandestin Resale $999

Destin, Florida / Posting R1325786

www.redweek.com

They would be Embarc points. That is an Embarc property but they now get access to DEX so can book there. Not sure why they say that you about HGVC. It is misleading.

 

[dioxide45]

We have even used the cash option, Destination Xtras, for HVC Fairway Forest and were not charged a resort fee...so I am not sure what they mean by rentals.

Here is the info for Fairway Forest
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It would seem that with a cash rate through Destination Xtras, you aren't reallly a hotel guest. Perhaps that applies if you booked through one of their cash channels or outside travel agent (like Expedia or other website). As for Exchange, I see the $20 per night resort charge (fee) when trying to book through Interval International. Which would certainly be an exchnage (even though it was a getaway). The wording on the II website is completly different, so it isn't like II is picking up and using the text from what you show above.

I wonder if some of this text wasn't used for other legacy Diamond Resorts websites when booking through different channels. I am sure they had their own cash booking website pre HGV days. Do other DEX users (non-EU) see the same?