Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

[susieq]

I don't really know the answer, but when you own a Wyndham fixed/float week does that come with an RCI membership or do you have to pay separately for that. Regardless, i'm assuming this is a RCI points membership. The waters may be muddied if you have a converted fixed week and pay the program fee, i'm assuming you get an RCI membership as part of that but is it a points membership or the kind you get with CW.

Our week is a full deeded flex week ~ nothing to do with points. And our RCI membership is completely separate from that ~ we do pay separately for it. We bought through the developer, (I know ................Grrrr), pre TUG back in '94.

 

[Floridaman76]

Our week is a full deeded flex week ~ nothing to do with points. And our RCI membership is completely separate from that ~ we do pay separately for it. We bought through the developer, (I know ................Grrrr), pre TUG back in '94.

I would like to hope, if that's the case, one would think your points should be safe because your RCI membership is outside of your Wyndham ownership and your points have already been deposited. And should be safe.

What will actually happen is anyone's guess. And apparently calling gets you no reliable answers. Apparently Wyndham, and some percentage of owners think it's ok for them to be stonewalling owners at T-Minus ~90 days till all of this goes down...

 

[kaljor]

Although I've been reading this entire thread when I can, I skipped a bunch of posts. Am I correct in assuming that as of today we don't know any actual facts about how the points or deeds that are owned at these resorts that are closing or dis-associating will be handled?

 

[hjsweet2002]

Hi! I have a week reserved there in January. Have you heard anything about what will happen on 12/31 at BB? I appreciate any info you get

My understanding is that the resort will be closed Dec 31 and no reservations will be honored after that date. Wyndham will cancel,all reservations after that date if not cancelled by owners. Personally I would not make any reservations here until I know with confidence what is happening

 

[hjsweet2002]

My understanding is that the resort will be closed Dec 31 and no reservations will be recognized after that date. Wyndham will cancel all reservations after that date if not cancelled by owners. Personally I would not make any reservations here until I know with confidence what is happening

 

[Rolltydr]

Although I've been reading this entire thread when I can, I skipped a bunch of posts. Am I correct in assuming that as of today we don't know any actual facts about how the points or deeds that are owned at these resorts that are closing or dis-associating will be handled?

You are correct. Despite the plethora of guesses, assumptions, accusations, theories, predictions, conjecture, etc., etc., very little is actually known. What is known is documented in the spreadsheet in the original post. @HitchHiker71 is updating that spreadsheet as information is confirmed by HOA’s, resorts, or Wyndham. So, if it’s not in that spreadsheet, it’s just someone’s guess.

 

[CO skier]

I don't really know the answer,

That speaks volumes.

Apparently Wyndham, and some percentage of owners think it's ok for them to be stonewalling owners at T-Minus ~90 days till all of this goes down...

I have not read any posts in this thread that indicate anyone is ok with Wyndham stonewalling owners. I have read a number of posts, such as the following example, that try to explain what little can be expected from Wyndham:

My general understanding is that this will at least in part be up to the resort in scope as to how they will handle reservations that span into 2026. There won't be a single blanket answer in other words, since the resort HOA(s) is/are responsible for funding ongoing resort operations heading into 2026, not Wyndham corporate. Once an announcement goes out in September timeframe, check with the resort if you have a reservation that spans into 2026 if the missives addressed by Wyndham corporate and/or the resort itself don't provide direct guidance on this specific topic.

and from Wyndham itself:

"We will work with HOA boards in certain locations to determine the future for their respective properties. Owners with interest in these locations will be contacted by their HOA board directly."

 

[Rolltydr]

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[Rolltydr]

I don't really know the answer,

That speaks volumes.

Also, in the same post, he uses “if” four times, “assuming” twice, “guessing” once, and for good measure, one “betting”. After all those qualifying statements, I’m folding on any advice that may be contained therein.

 

[afk324]

It's AMAZING how this Major Change is so Specific to an End Date of Service but so Quiet & Secret to Owners to Announce the Actual Plan and Process to Completion. WHY?

 

[Floridaman76]

Although I've been reading this entire thread when I can, I skipped a bunch of posts. Am I correct in assuming that as of today we don't know any actual facts about how the points or deeds that are owned at these resorts that are closing or dis-associating will be handled?

Basically your statement is accurate, that at this mark, in approximately 90 days give or take, approximately 12 resorts will unofficially close on 12/31/25.

- Wyndham still has not communicated anything to owners at these resorts
- Wyndham still has not publically announced which resorts will be closing, when or why
- The resorts are still bookable past 12/31/25
- Employees at the "known" resorts have been notified that the resorts will be closing on 12/31/25 and most of them will be out of a job as of that date
- The sales team has ramped up their lying trying to get people to "buy more to keep their ownership", even though it has been speculated that Wyndham will offer a free conversion to CWA
- Some mega renters have spoken up and showed their frustration that their golden goose is being killed. A self identified cabal of approximately 130 mega renters in the Northeast apparently is less than pleased. Some of us could care less. Some here are very sympathetic.

Some owners and people who aren't owners but seem to think they know something about the situation seem to think it's more important to ridcule people who speculate about possible options.

The bottom line I guess is none of us know for sure, and Wyndham is being, lets just say, less than transparent on the issue.

 

[Floridaman76]

Also, in the same post, he uses “if” four times, “assuming” twice, “guessing” once, and for good measure, one “betting”. After all those qualifying statements, I’m folding on any advice that may be contained therein.

Yes, and i'm going to continue to do so... do you have so little going on in your life on a Sunday morning that you have to make multiple references to me trying to help other forum members? Even if it is speculation?

Some of you can take the "wait and see" approach until some time in December at which point it will be too late to burn points or make other arrangements like move stuff to RCI. That might work for you. Other owners might appreciate other options being suggested.

 

[Rolltydr]

“Speculation” and “ helping” are two completely different words with completely different meanings. You aren’t helping anyone when, to your credit, you admit upfront you don’t know anything.

 

[hjsweet2002]

Bentley Brook HOA has not voted yet. They may meet next month or October still no definite date set as far as I know.

 

[Jan M.]

Hmm, what should a smart person do who owns at one of the resorts on the list or has a reservation at one of those resorts/sections for the last week and extends beyond the 30th?

Option 1. Listen to the doubting Thomases with their "ifs" and those who are preaching its best to "wait and see" until we get confirmation directly from Wyndham. As plans go, that's a plan to fail.

Option 2 for those who are owners.
Talk to everyone on your account and come to a decision about whether or not to take the CWA points. No, we're not 100% certain the trade will be offered for every resort and every owner but that's what we're going with anyhow at this point.

Be very aware and take into consideration that not all these resorts are going to cease as timeshares. Some will be taken over by another timeshare company or become an independent timeshare. If that happens, which in some cases is very likely, the owners who aren't wanting the CWA trade, and are hoping to see some money or just want out, they won't get any money and will still be an owner, just not with Wyndham.

Option 2 for those who have reservations for that last week with a check out date after the 30th.

Keep in mind Wyndham’s track record when comes to snafus for anything they do in the system! So here's what a smart person could do. Especially if they, and any other people going too, have vacation time scheduled, flights booked, etc.

1. Make a reservation at a different resort NOW while there are other options. Waiting makes your options more likely to be cancel your plans entirely or come up with a new plan to do something else instead of staying at one of the timeshare resorts.

2. Use the add/drop nights feature to drop the nights beyond the 30th. Doing that should hopefully protect your reservation from being cancelled with the system snafus we absolutely know will happen. If you have more than three nights beyond the 30th that won't be an option. In that case I would cancel the reservation and when it hopefully comes back, rebook it to end on the 30th. Again, do this NOW because at some point you should expect that any cancelled reservations for dates in that last week won't come back. Wyndham will take them out of inventory. Why is that a reasonable expectation and something anyone who has a reservation that last week even if it ends on or before rhe 30th should consider? Because they're going to be winding down operations and not all the staff will stay until that last day.

 

[paxsarah]

- The sales team has ramped up their lying trying to get people to "buy more to keep their ownership", even though it has been speculated that Wyndham will offer a free conversion to CWA

Wyndham has generally stated they will offer a free conversion ("swap" is the term they used) to CWA, and it has been speculated to extend to all of the affected resorts.

 

[Roger830]

Wyndham has generally stated they will offer a free conversion ("swap" is the term they used) to CWA, and it has been speculated to extend to all of the affected resorts.

About a week ago. Andy on facebook reported that at the Orlando International vote it was stated that if the member converted to points then they would be offered the option to trade to cwa points or wait for the sales distribution. Fixed week owners are limited to the second option.

That should apply to all resorts. Resale members still have ebay.

 

[RENTER]

LMAO. I have been quiet because I am done with being a Wyndham owner, so they are not worth my time arguing over anymore. But I do check in to see if they are replacing those resorts they are closing with other resorts in the same area. If they are I will rent from those owners I personally know.

What makes me laugh is that Wyndham disrespects its owner. Yet every time I check, I see owners arguing with each other rather than uniting and forcing change.

The argument that I shake my head the most is the city vs the rural area. Some people think there way is the only way. But that was the beauty of Wyndham, there was something for everyone which is why I joined.

For those who think the city is the only way, I rented often to those who live in the city and wanted to escape with a short trip into the rural areas.

As for those resorts which are not as popular, Wyndham should have embraced what we were doing which was filling up those resorts with new potential buyers. Despite some owners claims, we were not stealing vacations from other owners.

We ignored Fido's advice and bought retail to get the VIP discounts. Then book 60 days out anything that was still available which most of the time was the less popular resorts. Then we did not use Redweek, Tug or Extra Holidays to rent them. We used sites like Airbnb to expand outside the timeshare community. Thus we able to rent to people within driving distance of those less popular resorts.

Sadly, Wyndham could not see what they had. So, I will no longer be a owner or here defending buying retail or VIP and not countering Fido telling people to only buy resale.

 

[paxsarah]

About a week ago. Andy on facebook reported that at the Orlando International vote it was stated that if the member converted to points then they would be offered the option to trade to cwa points or wait for the sales distribution. Fixed week owners are limited to the second option.

That should apply to all resorts. Resale members still have ebay.

Yes, sorry. That was the underlying assumption in my comment, but I didn't spell it out - for points owners at the affected resorts. I was mainly commenting on Troy's statement that the conversion (swap) to CWA was speculative, but actually the conversion to CWA is actually one of the few things that corporate Wyndham has stated publicly and that the only speculation is regarding whether it applies to every affected resort, and how and when it will be implemented.

 

[chapjim]

About a week ago. Andy on facebook reported that at the Orlando International vote it was stated that if the member converted to points then they would be offered the option to trade to cwa points or wait for the sales distribution. Fixed week owners are limited to the second option.

That should apply to all resorts. Resale members still have ebay.

What does resale have to do with it?

 

[comicbookman]

LMAO. I have been quiet because I am done with being a Wyndham owner, so they are not worth my time arguing over anymore. But I do check in to see if they are replacing those resorts they are closing with other resorts in the same area. If they are I will rent from those owners I personally know.

What makes me laugh is that Wyndham disrespects its owner. Yet every time I check, I see owners arguing with each other rather than uniting and forcing change.

The argument that I shake my head the most is the city vs the rural area. Some people think there way is the only way. But that was the beauty of Wyndham, there was something for everyone which is why I joined.

For those who think the city is the only way, I rented often to those who live in the city and wanted to escape with a short trip into the rural areas.

As for those resorts which are not as popular, Wyndham should have embraced what we were doing which was filling up those resorts with new potential buyers. Despite some owners claims, we were not stealing vacations from other owners.

We ignored Fido's advice and bought retail to get the VIP discounts. Then book 60 days out anything that was still available which most of the time was the less popular resorts. Then we did not use Redweek, Tug or Extra Holidays to rent them. We used sites like Airbnb to expand outside the timeshare community. Thus we able to rent to people within driving distance of those less popular resorts.

Sadly, Wyndham could not see what they had. So, I will no longer be a owner or here defending buying retail or VIP and not countering Fido telling people to only buy resale.

SO you had a business, which Wyndham did not find beneficial, and they are short sighted because they did not want to keep subsidizing your operation. How mean of them. You were waiting to get discounts, so those were of course you rented more to city people who wished to head to the country rather than the other way around. That also undercuts your earlier statements that those resorts were mostly popular. If they were, you would not find availability in the discount period. Basically they are cuttin off your taking advantage of thier business model and you are wining that they are the bad guys. The contradictions in what you claim and what you complain about make all of what you say suspect. Since you are done being a Wyndham owner, please go back to being quiet.

 

[chapjim]

SO you had a business, which Wyndham did not find beneficial, and they are short sighted because they did not want to keep subsidizing your operation. How mean of them. You were waiting to get discounts, so those were of course you rented more to city people who wished to head to the country rather than the other way around. That also undercuts your earlier statements that those resorts were mostly popular. If they were, you would not find availability in the discount period. Basically they are cuttin off your taking advantage of thier business model and you are wining that they are the bad guys. The contradictions in what you claim and what you complain about make all of what you say suspect. Since you are done being a Wyndham owner, please go back to being quiet.

Also, he chides Wyndham owners for not banding together (and trying) to force change. He had over a hundred owners in his owner group and simply gave up. So much for trying to change things.

 

[Roger830]

What does resale have to do with it?

I was considering members that bought a fixed week resale that had already been converted to points by someone else thus the current owner didn't convert the contract to points so no cwa. Both the quoted statement and my statement were obviously too vague, but that seems to be the nature of this whole undertaking.

 

[TRVLISGOOD]

Be very aware and take into consideration that not all these resorts are going to cease as timeshares. Some will be taken over by another timeshare company or become an independent timeshare. If that happens, which in some cases is very likely, the owners who aren't wanting the CWA trade, and are hoping to see some money or just want out, they won't get any money and will still be an owner, just not with Wyndham.

Hi, I have been attempting to research a scenario where what you state here is possible, or find a past example where a timeshare company sold their interest in a resort and deeded owners were not offered their portion of sale proceeds but rather forced to keep their ownership and transition into a new timeshare company or system. I have not found any and Wyndham has an official statement out that doesn't mention that as an option "Owners in good standing at these transitioned resorts will be offered the opportunity to swap their current inventory for equivalent Club Wyndham Access points at no cost to the owner. This way, owners can continue to enjoy their ownership benefits, or they may choose to receive their share of the sale proceeds for their ownership interest."

I am guessing you are referencing a scenario where Wyndham does not sell the real estate/units but just hands off operations to a different company?? Can you please point me in the right direction to research, or elaborate a bit, to better understand why you are warning that this could happen. Thank you!

 

[HitchHiker71]

Hi, I have been attempting to research a scenario where what you state here is possible, or find a past example where a timeshare company sold their interest in a resort and deeded owners were not offered their portion of sale proceeds but rather forced to keep their ownership and transition into a new timeshare company or system. I have not found any and Wyndham has an official statement out that doesn't mention that as an option "Owners in good standing at these transitioned resorts will be offered the opportunity to swap their current inventory for equivalent Club Wyndham Access points at no cost to the owner. This way, owners can continue to enjoy their ownership benefits, or they may choose to receive their share of the sale proceeds for their ownership interest."

I am guessing you are referencing a scenario where Wyndham does not sell the real estate/units but just hands off operations to a different company?? Can you please point me in the right direction to research, or elaborate a bit, to better understand why you are warning that this could happen. Thank you!

This option would only apply to those resorts where, as you pointed out, Wyndham doesn't own the underlying real estate in all cases - such as with Wyndham Shawnee for example.