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DCs and membership numbers

my question is what is the daily fee ER charges? i asked a sales person, but it was after i started giving them the impression i was not interested in buying soon, so they didnt bother responding. :D

africa, bhutan(como not aman), seabourn med cruise, galapagos cruise are their once in a lifetime options, all requiring a daily fee in addition to using your plan nights. they should call the world that too now, with that $450 fee... now booking space available is the same as booking direct.

i did a seabourn crossing last year, it was pretty nice, but id wait for their new ships before going again. after the new ships it seems the best overall IMHO. seadream apparently has better F&B. and hapag llyod's ms europa is supposed to have better service, but doesnt include alcohol. i didnt think the caviar or champage were particularly good quality. discounts on louis xviii were great though - $37.50 a shot. (other two all inclusive are silversea and regent)

i never consider the so called "discounts off published rate" actually discounts. discounts would be off the actual rate they charge. like the crossings are one of the few times they have the best single supplement, i paid 8% instead of the usual much higher supplement. i dont think its usually 100%, maybe 80%? peak is 100%. and higher cabin category, unless youve got a lot of seabourn/cunard days under your belt.

thinking about PE/UR vs ER some more - it also depends on how many properties PE/UR have in the pipeline.. ER has quite a few.
 
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does aspen highlands = snowmass? ive never fully gotten the CO differentiations. (can you tell i dont currently ski? :D)
 
does aspen highlands = snowmass? ive never fully gotten the CO differentiations. (can you tell i dont currently ski? :D)

No.

Aspen Highlands, Snowmass, Ajax (Aspen Mountain) and Buttermilk are all different.
 
The Lusso home is in the Thunderbird Townhomes section of Aspen Highlands. Ski in Ski out, walk to Aspen Highlands village and use of the facilities at the Ritz Carlton. One of the townhomes sold for $3,500,000 in July. Don't know if this is the one that Lusso bought. But it is nice to see that Lusso actually has $3million+ homes, not $1.8 million homes that they claim are worth over $3 million. The home looks great. There is a video of the development online at:
http://www.turnhere.com/city/Aspen_CO/All/films/621.aspx
 
Isn't that a bit of a reach for Lusso at this point, considering their numbers?

Brian

I think that they will be over 100 members shortly if they are not already. Their niche will be the smaller, more boutique DC. They pride on buying select, nice homes, rather than mass produced homes. Definately a different approach than ER. I think that their main competitor is Quintess, but they offer much more value than Quintess with Quintess' current pricing. I think of them more as a discounted Solstice. Though Solstice claims average value of $6.5 million, I don't like alot of their homes. Their Cabo San Lucas home is beautiful, but it is in Pedregal, not very convenient to the beach. Lusso's homes are beachfront. Their Aspen homes are too contemporary, I Like Lusso's selection better. In New York, I think that they could have done better than an apartment in the West Village for $6.5 million. Their St. Barts home is also very contemporary, and not beachfront. Their Napa, Florence, London and Paris homes are nice though, but not ones that I would go to often. Lusso offers the same features such as SUV, Airport transfers at a much lower price point. They also offer membership appreciation in value. If it wasn't for the Tanner and Haley bankruptcy, I think that they would have had 200+ members by now. Just that some people have been migrating to ER because of its size and stability.
 
if ciel's new plan is ~$500K, i like their current/planned properties a lot better (than solstice) as well as model, usage, etc.

solstice doesnt have vehicles do they?

its very interesting how many people quit ER and join other clubs. ;)
 
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solstice doesnt have vehicles do they?


its very interesting how many people quit ER and join other clubs. ;)

I don't know but thought Solstice had vehicles

Do you know how many have quit ER and jointed other clubs?
 
id like to know the number of resignations period, but its probably kept secret under threat of harsh NDA violation penalties or something. (unlike other clubs which use the low number as a sign of member satisfaction - and are more transparent in general)

i take helium report reviews with a grain of salt, but a fair number say they switched from ER.

also, when testimonials on club sites say "switched from another club" id think that pretty much means ER, although there might be some from T&H.

BTW does anyone know if Ciel's NY condo is in the time warner building? kind of seems like it (view, architecture, furnishings) think its the initial city picture too.
 
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http://www.heliumreport.com/archives/852-my-global-playground-no-longer-playing
another one bites the dust.

and WPR doesnt seem to be doing well either. :(
i really like their model.

http://www.sherpareport.com/destination-clubs/lusso-100-members.html
lusso hits 100 (along with updated numbers of other DCs over 100)

will be interesting to see how long it takes crescendo and solstice to get there.

another gone. website is down.
http://www.premierdest.com/
http://www.heliumreport.com/archives/322-interview-with-premier-destinations-ceo-vicki-vorhees
looks like they only had 1 property and needed 20 members to launch 9 more properties, and they only got to 15.

updated >

exclusive resorts - 3000+
ultimate resort/private escapes - 1200+
quintess - 400+
high country club - 275+
portofino club - 160+
m private residences - 122+
bellehavens - 100+
lusso collection - 100+
solstice collection - 78+
crescendo - 68+
distinctive holiday homes - 29+
ventures equity vacation club - 20+

ciel club
hideaways club
markers
oyster circle
worldwide private residences lp
yellowstone club world
 
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I think My Global Playground had membership fees approaching $500k...ouch!

I really liked the info on the club members:


Exclusive Resorts 3,000

Ultimate Resort/Private Escapes 1,200

Quintess 400

High Country 270

Portofino 160

M Private 122

BelleHavens 100
 
another gone. website is down.
http://www.premierdest.com/
http://www.heliumreport.com/archives/322-interview-with-premier-destinations-ceo-vicki-vorhees
looks like they only had 1 property and needed 20 members to launch 9 more properties, and they only got to 15.

http://www.heliumreport.com/archives/872-premier-destinations-stumbles-early

looks like i may have provided that info for helium report :D (like others here might have done before)

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merger possibilities? >

$2MM+ "equity"
- m private residences - 122+ / 16 $2.5MM / 92% current
- bellehavens - 100+ / 14 $2MM / 90% current
- hideaways club - ? / 11 $2MM / 100% + 75% gain

~$1MM > $3MM
- ultimate resort/private escapes - 1200+
- high country club - 275+

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was just reminded of something while looking, im pretty sure oyster circle's miami property was acquired from my global playground.

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estimates for some of the unknowns >

markers <90 (10 properties, 9:1)
oyster circle <78 (13 properties, 6:1)
hideaways club <66 (11 properties, 6:1)
worldwide private residences lp <20 (2 properties, 10:1)

ciel club ?
yellowstone club world ?
 
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If HCC is taking aim on position #3 in members at 400 with about 270 right now, are they not falling behind in their promise to add a new location with every 6-8 new members?

I hate pie-in-the-sky forecasts for growth, but the places they've added over the last year doesn't seem to be keeping pace with their promise...and still almost no development on the east coast. In fact, the ones listed 'in development' haven't changed much either.

http://www.highcountryclub.com/destinations/Future_Destinations.asp

Brian
 
HCC does not publish a breakdown of their membership types and it takes 6-7 private members (or the equivalent) to buy one property.

HCC is actually "ahead of the curve" when it comes to buying properties vs their member:home ratio.
 
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