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[2021] Daylight saving time - here's why Arizona doesn't adjust its clocks.

I thought they passed a bill to end changing the time. Permanent DST as of next year. One last time change next year and then permanent DST. No? Am I misinformed? DST becomes standard time and that's it?
That's what I heard. That this will be the last time we change to standard. Next year, March, we'll go and stay on DST foreverrrrrrrr.

Someday our children, well grandchildren or maybe great grandchildren will be asking what daylight saving time means - because we will be DST forever not ST. Seems like in the long run, for the good of all, and less confusion, we'd have going with ST. Whatever, I'm happy not to go through these changes.

Hmmm, reading Brett's article, maybe I'm wrong.
 
I thought they passed a bill to end changing the time. Permanent DST as of next year. One last time change next year and then permanent DST. No? Am I misinformed? DST becomes standard time and that's it?
It passed the Senate but not the House.
 
It passed the Senate but not the House.


it died in darkness :(

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/11/04/permanent-daylight-saving-time
Clock runs out on efforts to make daylight saving time permanent

"A bill to permanently “spring forward” has been stalled in Congress for more than seven months,as lawmakers trade jabs over whether the Senate should have passed the legislation at all. House officials say they’ve been deluged by voters with split opinions and warnings from sleep specialists who insist that adopting permanent standard time instead would be healthier, and congressional
leaders admit they just don’t know what to do.

The bill’s quiet collapse puts an end to an unusual episode that briefly riveted Congress, became fodder for late-night comics and fueled water-cooler debate. The Senate’s unanimous vote in March to allow states to permanently shift their clocks caught some of the chamber’s own members by surprise — and in a reverse of traditional Washington dynamics, it was the House slowing down the Senate’s legislation. Key senators who backed permanent daylight saving time say they’re mystified that their effort appears doomed, and frustrated that they will probably have to start over in the next Congress.


Sleep experts and neurologists urgently cautioned that shifting away from early-morning sunlight would harm circadian rhythms, sleep-wake cycles and overall health. Groups such as
religious Jewish people complained that moving the clocks later in the winter would preventthem from conducting morning prayers after the sun rises and still get to work and school on time.
There also are regional differences in who would most benefit from permanent daylight saving time. Lawmakers in Southern states such as Florida argue it would maximize sunshine for
their residents during the winter months — but some people who live in the northern United States or on the western edge of time zones, such as Indianapolis, would not see the sunrise on some
winter days until after 9 a.m.

While 64 percent of respondents to a March 2022 YouGov poll said they wanted to stop the twice-per-year changing of the clocks, only about half of the people who favored a change
wanted permanent daylight saving time, while about one-third supported permanent standard time and others were unsure. “We know that the majority of Americans do not want to keep
switching the clocks back and forth. Permanent standard time advocates don’t want children to wait in dark winter
mornings for a school bus; permanent daylight saving time proponents want to help businesses enjoy more sunshine during operating hours, she said.

A congressional aide who has been working on the issue put it more bluntly: “We’d be pissing off half the country no matter what,” said the aide, who spoke on the
condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss internal deliberations.

It’s also an issue that resonates abroad. Mexican lawmakers passed legislation last month to end daylight saving time in most of their country, a measure that
the nation’s president swiftly signed into law.



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President Richard Nixon tried permanent daylight time during the 1970s energy crisis, thinking it would reduce demand for power. It lasted eight months, withdrawn
after parents objected to sending their children to school in the dark. "
 
it died in darkness :(

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/11/04/permanent-daylight-saving-time
Clock runs out on efforts to make daylight saving time permanent

President Richard Nixon tried permanent daylight time during the 1970s energy crisis, thinking it would reduce demand for power. It lasted eight months, withdrawn
after parents objected to sending their children to school in the dark. "

IMO, it makes much more sense to permanently move to standard time. After all, there is a reason that it was considered "standard." DST seems to be the aberration.
 
I'm in PV Mexico now, and was told they have permanently moved to standard time. So last week was the last time they changed their clocks. The exceptions are the border cities with US, and Baja CA state.
 
IMO, it makes much more sense to permanently move to standard time. After all, there is a reason that it was considered "standard." DST seems to be the aberration.
It depends where you live. For me in Montreal, I prefer the DST because I wake-up at 6h30 during the week and later during the weekend. In summer I would prefer a double DST to have the sunrise and sunset an hour later.

With DST in summer in Montreal, the sunrise is at ~5h00 (useless) and the sunset is at ~21h00 (nice).
If we stayed at the standard time in summer, the sunrise would be at ~4h00 (more useless) and the sunset would be at ~20h00 (not funny).

With the standard time in winter in Montreal, the sunrise is at ~7h00 (good) and the sunset is at ~16h00 (not funny).
If we stayed at the DST in winter, the sunrise would be at ~8h00 (correct) and the sunset would be at ~17h00 (better)
 
I'm glad i don't have to mess with it anymore. :thumbup:
 
I would vote for permanent Standard Time. The Oregon Legislature voted for permanent Day Light Savings Time. But Congress has to approve it.
 
I love the time change! It's like a freebie oddity twice a year that shakes things up just enough to give us a simple 'something else' to think about for a couple days. :)

This is a 2021 thread so here's a reminder to spring forward this Sunday, 3/12/23.
 
The only thing I have to remember is that now I will be 5 hours behind my friends back in Wisconsin instead of 4 hours. I definitely like not changing. shaka
 
It's just one more thing to gripe about, which we like to do.
At least we don't have to look at the VCR flash 12:00 anymore.
 
So from your comment, I gather that you don't care what time the sun rises or sets. You jut don't like changing the clocks. Is that correct?

yes. but if "standard" time correlates better with the circadian rhythm then I'll vote "standard"
 
So from your comment, I gather that you don't care what time the sun rises or sets. You jut don't like changing the clocks. Is that correct?
I don’t mind changing clocks (most of ours do it automatically now!) but I hate the abrupt change in onset of daylight and darkness compared to my daily activities. I don’t care if we have standard or daylight time all year, I just want Mother Nature to be allowed to change things gradually!
 
Apparently Canadian Provinces can set their own time just like US states.
From what I understand, individual states can choose to remain on Standard time year-round (AZ, HI) and not observe DST, but it would need Congress approval to adopt Daylight time year-round.

This is what was making an issue here in BC. The BC government was wanting to adopt year-round either DST or standard time. This was being tabled and debated as far back as 2015, I believe. The BC government was just waiting for states in the same Pacific Time Zone (WA, OR, & CA) to do the same and keep in line with these states and the businesses therein. But these states needed congress approval to do so which still hasn't happened. The BC government finally said something along the lines of, "Enough waiting! @#$%*^ these states and their congress! Let's just get on with what British Columbians are clamouring for. Those states can deal with the downsides of changing their clocks biannually."
 
From what I understand, individual states can choose to remain on Standard time year-round (AZ, HI) and not observe DST, but it would need Congress approval to adopt Daylight time year-round.

This is what was making an issue here in BC. The BC government was wanting to adopt year-round either DST or standard time. This was being tabled and debated as far back as 2015, I believe. The BC government was just waiting for states in the same Pacific Time Zone (WA, OR, & CA) to do the same and keep in line with these states and the businesses therein. But these states needed congress approval to do so which still hasn't happened. The BC government finally said something along the lines of, "Enough waiting! @#$%*^ these states and their congress! Let's just get on with what British Columbians are clamouring for. Those states can deal with the downsides of changing their clocks biannually."


Oh yes, I recognize states can't just arbitrarily set their own time. I'm just pissed we have to keep changing the clocks twice a year (in most states).
 
I think almost everybody wants to do away with the clock changes. The problem that keeps this from being resolved is that there is a split between those who want permanent Standard Time and those who want permanent Daylight Savings Time, with not enough agreement being reached to finally select one over the other.
 
I remember during the Gas Crisis in the 70's when the USA switched to full time DST it did not take long for parents to rise up in argre because their kids were going to school in pitch darkness.
 
I remember during the Gas Crisis in the 70's when the USA switched to full time DST it did not take long for parents to rise up in argre because their kids were going to school in pitch darkness.
I've heard of that as well (no personal recollection as I was born in the late 70s), but apparently not enough Representatives and Senators currently in office remember or have heard about it and so a significant amount of them still advocate for DST over ST.
 
I think almost everybody wants to do away with the clock changes. The problem that keeps this from being resolved is that there is a split between those who want permanent Standard Time and those who want permanent Daylight Savings Time, with not enough agreement being reached to finally select one over the other.
I don't think anyone really likes the actual process and procedure of changing the clocks either. However for me, I like what it accomplishes and can easily handle the downside of changing the clocks biannually. The after affects are usually resolved within about 12 hours after we change the clocks. After all, two days after the clock change, how often do you hear someone blaming his problems or bad moods on the time change?

What I like about the time change is that it makes best use of the shorter daylight hours in the fall and winter, best use of the longer daylight hours in the spring and summer.
 
What I like about the time change is that it makes best use of the shorter daylight hours in the fall and winter, best use of the longer daylight hours in the spring and summer.
This. Exactly. It becomes even more effective the further north you live. I now live in FL and honestly, it really doesn't matter here if we do DST or not, but I grew up in northern MN, and it makes a huge improvement there. Who wants it getting light at 4am in the summer? And I remember during the 70's energy crisis -- that winter it was pitch black when we got on the school bus in the morning. Not optimal at all.

What I find hilarious is how many people here bitch and moan about changing one lousy hour twice a year. This is a timeshare community -- you know, where most everyone travels extensively, right? Do those same people bitch and moan about traveling across one time zone for their vacations? Oh, how do they handle going further, like Hawaii or Europe??? They must be fun to be around...

Kurt
 
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