New scientific paper: offshore wind turbines alter marine eco-system, could shift ocean currents

[davidvel]

The economics for various energy sources are largely the same country to country. Yes, there are some variations, but largely the same. Wind and solar are not less intermittent in one country compared to another. There is a backlash against the climate agenda in much of the western world. It was sold as cheaper and has turned out more expensive.

Europe shows where this wind / solar fad goes. It should be a warning to get off the part they went down before we get as far along it.

Cultish? I have presented quite a range of opposition to wind and solar from leftwing sources like Michael Moore to conservative leaders like Nigel Farage, with the co-founder of the environmentalist group Greenpeace, and various others in between, as well as research reports from experts..

Some states overcompensate for that rooftop power by reimbursing at the retail rate instead of the wholesale rate, something that is not fair to other electric customers. Don't know if your state is one of them. We would never put those hideous solar panels on the roof of our antebellum historic home and our Historic Preservation Commission would not allow it anyway.

Sorry for you and your ancient home likely filled with asbestos and lead.

We have been getting free energy for over a decade, thanks to that free Sun. We are compensated at the rate SDGE pays, not what the customer pays. New fail for you.

No it doesn't work everywhere, but it works lots of places. We also went out on our boat to fish today (free food, like the sun) after walking the dog at the beach. Can't do that most places. You are likely holed up in your home that apparently was built before the civil war (who uses the word antebellum that is not a dinosaur?)

 

[davidvel]

The world's central banks agree with me, not you, on gold. They are buying it and gradually reducing their holdings of all fiat currencies. If you think you know more than the world's central banks, more power to you, but I like the appreciation I have gotten, especially in the last year from precious metals. Our rental real estate is not doing so badly either.

So, you think nuclear power and geothermal are "19th century"??????? Curious!

Reality does not agree with you.

Silver is a dog, a dinosaur, silly thinkers buy it. Gold Ok, but recent gains the past few years likely driven by more commercials and cultists.

 

[Carolinian]

Reality does not agree with you.

Silver is a dog, a dinosaur, silly thinkers buy it. Gold Ok, but recent gains the past few years likely driven by more commercials and cultists.

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You might want to run YTD's on those and look at those results. I think they will tell a different story

We got heavily into gold and silver in 2020, not 2015. That happened on advice from someone I used to see every two months at meetings while I was working full time in eastern Europe, who advised governments and major banks on trends in finance, currencies, etc. After one meeting, we were chatting and I asked him what he thought about how far the rise of the Swiss franc was going to go against the dollar and euro. Most of my cash at the time was in Swiss francs. He replied that he had information that within two weeks the Swiss central bank was going to move to halt the appreciation of the franc because it was hurting their exports to the EU, and that his sources told him they were going to create a lot of new francs and buy some asset with them, but were very tight lipped about what asset. He had worked out what he thought they were going to buy. Not only was his information correct but so was his analysis. Later when I was going back on short term stints, I was not in those meetings and did not see him for a few years So, in 2020, I was on a personal trip back to my old European stomping grounds, walked into one of my favorite restaurants for lunch and he was sitting at a table waiting to order. I said hello and he invited me to join him. During our chat, he told me what he thought gold was going to do in the coming years, based on his conversations with central bankers, and that silver usually followed gold to a large extent. All of the Covid spending was going to drive up government debt for all countries and that would just make the move to gold stronger for the central banks. Like his info on the Swiss franc some years earlier, he was right on the money on that one.

 

[davidvel]

No childish videos to repost old guy?

 

[Carolinian]

Sorry for you and your ancient home likely filled with asbestos and lead.

We have been getting free energy for over a decade, thanks to that free Sun. We are compensated at the rate SDGE pays, not what the customer pays. New fail for you.

No it doesn't work everywhere, but it works lots of places. We also went out on our boat to fish today (free food, like the sun) after walking the dog at the beach. Can't do that most places. You are likely holed up in your home that apparently was built before the civil war (who uses the word antebellum that is not a dinosaur?)

No asbestos ever. Houses in the 1840s were built a lot stronger than those today. It's been through quite a few hurricanes, and can certainly handle them much better than a wind turbine or solar farm could. Also, getting the woodwork detail we have in a modern house in unlikely.

Our free utilities are limited to the deep well we put down in our backyard so our water bill to the city is cut very substantially.

I would never trash a historic home with solar panels. A guy around the corner got talked into doing that on an 1890s house and the solar installation company said they would handle the permits. They showed up to start work late on a Friday after city personnel had gone home, worked Saturday and Sunday to finish up before city government offices opened on Monday. Of course, they had not gotten any permits with either the city electric department or with the Historic Preservation Commission. Complaints were filed with the Commission, which unanimously ordered him to remove the solar panels. The installation company disappeared, and city electric officials and the people he got to remove them found some serious screwups in the installation that could have burned his house down, so it was good they were removed.

 

[davidvel]

You might want to run YTD's on those and look at those results. I think they will tell a different story

We got heavily into gold and silver in 2020, not 2015. That happened on advice from someone I used to see every two months at meetings while I was working full time in eastern Europe, who advised governments and major banks on trends in finance, currencies, etc. After one meeting, we were chatting and I asked him what he thought about how far the rise of the Swiss franc was going to go against the dollar and euro. Most of my cash at the time was in Swiss francs. He replied that he had information that within two weeks the Swiss central bank was going to move to halt the appreciation of the franc because it was hurting their exports to the EU, and that his sources told him they were going to create a lot of new francs and buy some asset with them, but were very tight lipped about what asset. He had worked out what he thought they were going to buy. Not only was his information correct but so was his analysis. Later when I was going back on short term stints, I was not in those meetings and did not see him for a few years So, in 2020, I was on a personal trip back to my old European stomping grounds, walked into one of my favorite restaurants for lunch and he was sitting at a table waiting to order. I said hello and he invited me to join him. During our chat, he told me what he thought gold was going to do in the coming years, based on his conversations with central bankers, and that silver usually followed gold to a large extent. All of the Covid spending was going to drive up government debt for all countries and that would just make the move to gold stronger for the central banks. Like his info on the Swiss franc some years earlier, he was right on the money on that one.

Convenient choice of timeframe, most likely false. Anyone can pick and choose a narrow window and say X investment is better than Y. Historically, metals are garbage vs. indexes, and you know this. Still, QQQ is over 160X silver in the past 5 years and a bit behind gold, depending on the day you pick.

But nice story bro. You must be a Putin fan as well.

 

[Carolinian]

No childish videos to repost old guy?

No, I do not have any of Brett's videos.

 

[davidvel]

No asbestos ever. Houses in the 1840s were built a lot stronger than those today. It's been through quite a few hurricanes, and can certainly handle them much better than a wind turbine or solar farm could. Also, getting the woodwork detail we have in a modern house in unlikely.

Our free utilities are limited to the deep well we put down in our backyard so our water bill to the city is cut very substantially.

I would never trash a historic home with solar panels. A guy around the corner got talked into doing that on an 1890s house and the solar installation company said they would handle the permits. They showed up to start work late on a Friday after city personnel had gone home, worked Saturday and Sunday to finish up before city government offices opened on Monday. Of course, they had not gotten any permits with either the city electric department or with the Historic Preservation Commission. Complaints were filed with the Commission, which unanimously ordered him to remove the solar panels. The installation company disappeared, and city electric officials and the people he got to remove them found some serious screwups in the installation that could have burned his house down, so it was good they were removed.

But plenty of lead, no? Your well doesn't cover 100% of your water. That is your biggest criticism of solar, so I guess according to you the well is stupid (or the one that decided to dig it?)

Also, you forgot to acknowledge that solar covers 100% of our energy usage, for free, like tens of millions of other Americans. That must really bother you.

 

[Carolinian]

Convenient choice of timeframe, most likely false. Anyone can pick and choose a narrow window and say X investment is better than Y. Historically, metals are garbage vs. indexes, and you know this. Still, QQQ is over 160X silver in the past 5 years and a bit behind gold, depending on the day you pick.

But nice story bro. You must be a Putin fan as well.

Hardly. Odesa was a frequent city break I enjoyed, and I did a bit of work with our Kyiv office while I was working full time over there. Also we had several Ukrainians we brought over to work short term on some things. I traveled with some frequency to Kyiv but I enjoyed Odesa much better. Also a week long vacation in Crimea while under Ukrainian control is something my family and I will remember.

That's a bit snarky to try to call me a liar, but my accounts with all three precious metals companies I buy from will show my first purchases with them in 2020

 

[Carolinian]

But plenty of lead, no? Your well doesn't cover 100% of your water. That is your biggest criticism of solar, so I guess according to you the well is stupid (or the one that decided to dig it?)

Also, you forgot to acknowledge that solar covers 100% of our energy usage, for free, like tens of millions of other Americans. That must really bother you.

The water quality is good, we could use it for all of our water but decided to keep the city water, too. Most of our usage in the well water. We are going to put a pool in the backyard, and the well was largely to save money on that. When I bought the house, one of the first things I did was replace all the pipes with PVC and CVPC.

Does your utility company pay you for power at wholesale or retail rates?

My point on wind and solar is on grid scale usage where it runs up peoples power bills for customers who do not do as you do, as well as for business users.

 

[davidvel]

The water quality is good, we could use it for all of our water but decided to keep the city water, too. Most of our usage in the well water. We are going to put a pool in the backyard, and the well was largely to save money on that. When I bought the house, one of the first things I did was replace all the pipes with PVC and CVPC.

Does your utility company pay you for power at wholesale or retail rates?

My point on wind and solar is on grid scale usage where it runs up peoples power bills for customers who do not do as you do, as well as for business users.

If you read my earlier posts you would know what rate they pay for our excess electricity. We should be paid retail rates as that what we would pay, but still pay nothing for electricity, which you continue to ignore. Our panels do not drive up anyone's rates. Actually they reduce them as we "sell" more than we get in return. Nice try again, though.

I gotta' give you that you're consistent. Consistently wrong. Your anti solar narrative is completely bogus.

PROVE ME WRONG.

 

[easyrider]

PROVE ME WRONG.

Not even close Dave. Plenty of solar farms have gone bankrupt and taxpayers, rate payers and others are paying the bill. Regarding your own personal solar panels, they likely came with incentives and those incentive are paid by who ?

Bill

 

[PigsDad]

To me, the big lakes on the Columbia River, created by dams, are aesthetically beautiful. The wind turbines and solar farms create a massive ugly eyesore.

I don't disagree, but that wasn't the question. Carolinian proclaimed that "Wind and solar are MUCH more land intensive than other electric generation sources", which is total BS, and I noticed that he never came back and provided any kind of reference to back that BS claim (as usual).

Kurt

 

[emeryjre]

You dodge and weave and ignore when it comes to the issues of hurricanes and major destruction of offshore wind farms. All you can point to is a manufacturer paying $10.5 million for the cleanup on one blade during the testing phase of a project. That means doodly squat as to a major hurricane cleanup and it really doesn't even mean much for that very project after it is certified and turned over to the operator. The operator has already said, as I posted, that it will not accept responsibility, and the manufacturer has not promised anything after the operator takes over, either.

Go back and read my rebuttals
I am not repeating answers you ignore
Your obsession with Nantucket borders on psychosis

 

[davidvel]

davidvel
Not even close Dave. Plenty of solar farms have gone bankrupt and taxpayers, rate payers and others are paying the bill. Regarding your own personal solar panels, they likely came with incentives and those incentive are paid by who ?

Bill

Bill, bill, bill. I wasn't talking about "solar farms" as you conveniently omitted from your reply intentionally. Not sure what you refer to as "not even close," as you fail to include my comment. As I noted, if could read, we paid market price for panels and I did not count incentives into my calculations. Sorry you lack the ability to digest.

As normal, you fail to refute my comment that our energy is free, and has been for over a decade.
You're consistent. Consistently wrong.
PROVE ME WRONG.

 

[ScoopKona]

Does your utility company pay you for power at wholesale or retail rates?

That's been answered. I only show up here every month or so and I still saw that.

Now where's your answer about the Austrian school of economics, and Ludwig von Mises? I think you're deep into that. You certainly use all the buzzwords.

At least then, people could look up this economic philosophy.

Here's a quickie synopsis: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Austrian_school

 

[easyrider]

I did not count incentives into my calculations.

Isn't that the point ? The incentives in California are probably better than in most states. I'm certain you received Federal incentives as well. Why should those of us that don't have roof top solar panels pay for those that do purchase them ? If these were as great a product as you claim they wouldn't need an incentive for people to buy them, imo.

Bill

 

[Brett]

Isn't that the point ? The incentives in California are probably better than in most states. I'm certain you received Federal incentives as well. Why should those of us that don't have roof top solar panels pay for those that do purchase them ? If these were as great a product as you claim they wouldn't need an incentive for people to buy them, imo.

Bill

some fossilized subsidized incentives -

 

[Carolinian]

I don't disagree, but that wasn't the question. Carolinian proclaimed that "Wind and solar are MUCH more land intensive than other electric generation sources", which is total BS, and I noticed that he never came back and provided any kind of reference to back that BS claim (as usual).

Kurt

They are MUCH more land intensive than gas, nuclear, coal, or geothermal. It is not even close.

 

[Carolinian]

Offshore Wind Harms National Security

For years, radicals and industry insiders pushed a ridiculous narrative about wind turbines which I exposed in the documentary “Blown Away: Exposing the Wind Scam.” These massive

www.realclearpolicy.com

 

[Brett]

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[Carolinian]

Brett repeats his gibberish from the climate industrial complex that is total fantasy. In the real world, when it comes to the power delivered to customers meter boxes and showing up on their power bill, wind and solar drive up the price. None of the wind / solar apologists on these boards has been able to show one case where it does otherwise. The only way to claim wind or solar is cheaper is to arbitrarily cut out the massive system costs of intermittent energy but those are always going to be there in the real world.

How renewable additions and fossil fuel retirements factor in electricity prices

With higher electricity bills squeezing Americans’ wallets, the Trump administration has pointed the finger at Biden administration policies.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

There is another energy source under development, fusion, which might make everybody happy. For those obsessed with CO2, it has none of that. It is a dispatchable base load source. And it appears it will be cheap. It is also non land intensive and does not pose the environmental threats of wind and solar.

 

[PigsDad]

They are MUCH more land intensive than gas, nuclear, coal, or geothermal. It is not even close.

Again, not the question (you might try reading my original post -- hint: it was regarding hydro electric power generation).

Kurt

 

[davidvel]

Brett repeats his gibberish from the climate industrial complex that is total fantasy. In the real world, when it comes to the power delivered to customers meter boxes and showing up on their power bill, wind and solar drive up the price. None of the wind / solar apologists on these boards has been able to show one case where it does otherwise. The only way to claim wind or solar is cheaper is to arbitrarily cut out the massive system costs of intermittent energy but those are always going to be there in the real world.

How renewable additions and fossil fuel retirements factor in electricity prices

With higher electricity bills squeezing Americans’ wallets, the Trump administration has pointed the finger at Biden administration policies.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

There is another energy source under development, fusion, which might make everybody happy. For those obsessed with CO2, it has none of that. It is a dispatchable base load source. And it appears it will be cheap. It is also non land intensive and does not pose the environmental threats of wind and solar.

No one? Maybe you missed mine. Our energy and millions of neighbors, get free energy, at no increased cost to others (actually we reduce their cost.) You pathologically ignore this. Coo coo.

 

[ScoopKona]

wind and solar drive up the price.

Massive AI centers are what's driving up the price.

Seriously, all of this is straight out of the Carl Menger playbook. Why not just link straight from the von Mises Institute? That's where this is coming from. Is your antebellum home near Auburn by any chance? There's a whole lot of you folks in that area.