Which Marriott Resorts Have the Most Weeks Inventory and Which Have the Most Points Inventory?

[heathpack]

We own an enrolled EOY Mountainside gold week that we originally bought to use. But now that we moved to Alabama, I’d like to regularly trade it.

I understand my most cost effective use is locking off and trading in II, although at times I have a flexible work schedule and can maybe use points cost effectively by booking stays Sun-Thurs. It’s just two of us, so studios work, although we prefer larger units.

I’m curious as to whether there’s a list of the resorts with the most number of units available as weeks inventory and the resorts with the best points inventory. If not, comments about inventory type by resort in this thread are welcome.

 

[dioxide45]

Using the HI Disclosures that are provided to buyers when they purchase About Trust points is a way to determine how many weeks and what percentage have been conveyed to the trust. However, that doesn't necessarily equate to points inventory as enrolled weeks owners can elect their weeks for points. Certainly, international resorts probably have lower point inventory.

 

[heathpack]

Using the HI Disclosures that are provided to buyers when they purchase About Trust points is a way to determine how many weeks and what percentage have been conveyed to the trust. However, that doesn't necessarily equate to points inventory as enrolled weeks owners can elect their weeks for points. Certainly, international resorts probably have lower point inventory.

And most of the Pulse have zero weeks?

How about Costa Rica? Low points, high weeks inventory?

 

[ljmiii]

I’m curious as to whether there’s a list of the resorts with the most number of units available as weeks inventory and the resorts with the best points inventory. If not, comments about inventory type by resort in this thread are welcome.

And most of the Pulse have zero weeks?

How about Costa Rica? Low points, high weeks inventory?

All the City Collection (nee Pulse) resorts have zero weeks except for Boston's Custom House which is all weeks. This is because MVC has a lease on the property that expires and so Custom House can't be in the Abound Trust. Similarly, Costa Rica is all weeks because resorts outside the US can't be in the Abound Trust (though they can be in one or more of the Asian points trusts).

The following is a list of all the MVC all points resorts....

-- US Points only resorts --

Marriott Vacation Club, San Diego - United States, California - San Diego
Marriott Vacation Club, San Francisco - United States, California - San Francisco
Marriott's Crystal Shores (Egret)- United States, Florida - Marco Island
Marriott Vacation Club, South Beach - United States, Florida - Miami Beach
Marriott Vacation Club, Waikīkī - United States, Hawaiʻi - Honolulu, Oʻahu
Marriott's Waikoloa Ocean Club - United States, Hawaiʻi - Waikoloa Beach, Big Island
Marriott Vacation Club, New York City - United States, New York - New York City
Marriott Vacation Club at The Mayflower, Washington, D.C. - United States - Washington, D.C.

-- Asia Points only resorts (Asia Pacific, Australia, Bali Gardens, and/or Bali Terrace Points) --

Marriott Vacation Club at Surfers Paradise - Australia, Surfers Paradise - Gold Coast

Marriott’s Bali Nusa Dua Gardens - Indonesia, Bali - Nusa Dua
Marriott’s Bali Nusa Dua Terrace - Indonesia, Bali - Nusa Dua

Marriott Vacation Club at The Empire Place, Bangkok - Thailand, Bangkok - Yannawa, Sathorn
Marriott's Mai Khao Resort — Phuket - Thailand, Phuket - Mai Khao, Talang

 

[heathpack]

All the City Collection (nee Pulse) resorts have zero weeks except for Boston's Custom House which is all weeks because MVC has a lease on the property that expires Custom House can't be in the Abound Trust. Similarly, Costa Rica is all weeks because resorts outside the US can't be in the Abound Trust (though they can be in one or more of the Asian points trusts).

The following is a list of all the MVC all points resorts....

-- US Points only resorts --

Marriott Vacation Club, San Diego - United States, California - San Diego
Marriott Vacation Club, San Francisco - United States, California - San Francisco
Marriott's Crystal Shores (Egret)- United States, Florida - Marco Island
Marriott Vacation Club, South Beach - United States, Florida - Miami Beach
Marriott Vacation Club, Waikīkī - United States, Hawaiʻi - Honolulu, Oʻahu
Marriott's Waikoloa Ocean Club - United States, Hawaiʻi - Waikoloa Beach, Big Island
Marriott Vacation Club, New York City - United States, New York - New York City
Marriott Vacation Club at The Mayflower, Washington, D.C. - United States - Washington, D.C.

-- Asia Points only resorts (Asia Pacific, Australia, Bali Gardens, and/or Bali Terrace Points) --

Marriott Vacation Club at Surfers Paradise - Australia, Surfers Paradise - Gold Coast

Marriott’s Bali Nusa Dua Gardens - Indonesia, Bali - Nusa Dua
Marriott’s Bali Nusa Dua Terrace - Indonesia, Bali - Nusa Dua

Marriott Vacation Club at The Empire Place, Bangkok - Thailand, Bangkok - Yannawa, Sathorn
Marriott's Mai Khao Resort — Phuket - Thailand, Phuket - Mai Khao, Talang

Is there any scenario in which you can trade a week in II and get one of these “points only” resorts?

 

[dioxide45]

Is there any scenario in which you can trade a week in II and get one of these “points only” resorts?

Costa Rica was sold as weeks that are enrolled in Abound. So like the Caribbean and European properties, they are reliant on owners electing Club Points for them to be available in Abound. There are some City Collection properties that show up in II. I understand that Surfer's Paradise gets deposited to II now and then. These properties would be reliant upon MVC to deposit inventory to II.

 

[ljmiii]

Is there any scenario in which you can trade a week in II and get one of these “points only” resorts?

I don't really play in II but I remember reading of someone else seeing occasional availability at Waikoloa when MVC deposited weeks. I can't remember any others...but again I only trade in II when the plan fails.

 

[GrayFal]

Is there any scenario in which you can trade a week in II and get one of these “points only” resorts?

Yes, all of them.
I just saw Crystal Shores in II although that is rare.

Recently seen
Surfers Paradise
DC - about 6 months ago
NYC
SFO
BOS
Costa Rico

Have not seen Waikiki or Big Island.
Don’t check San Diego

I don’t check Bali or Thailand - that ship has sailed.

 

[heathpack]

Yes, all of them.
I just saw Crystal Shores in II although that is rare.

Recently seen
Surfers Paradise
DC - about 6 months ago
NYC
SFO
BOS
Costa Rico

Have not seen Waikiki or Big Island.
Don’t check San Diego

I don’t check Bali or Thailand - that ship has sailed.

Surfers Paradise is available right now in fact. I have seen NYC in Jan/Feb, SFO commonly, San Diego occasionally.

Boston I understand would be a weeks trade.

I have been to South Beach on points and enjoyed it. Would like to go to Washington DC.

Points are spendy for us because we don’t get tons for our Mountainside week but if we splurge and book something like DC we could in theory get some bargain off season nights like Williamsburg around Christmas or Hilton Head in winter or a couple of days added to a DVC stay.

 

[GrayFal]

Surfers Paradise is available right now in fact. I have seen NYC in Jan/Feb, SFO commonly, San Diego occasionally.

Boston I understand would be a weeks trade.

I have been to South Beach on points and enjoyed it. Would like to go to Washington DC.

Points are spendy for us because we don’t get tons for our Mountainside week but if we splurge and book something like DC we could in theory get some bargain off season nights like Williamsburg around Christmas or Hilton Head in winter or a couple of days added to a DVC stay.

You might want to keep your mountainside for II trades and just rent the points for those other Resies

 

[heathpack]

You might want to keep your mountainside for II trades and just rent the points for those other Resies

I assume if I rent points that I do not have the booking preference of the original points?

Do people rent points reservations to others, rather than the points themesleves?

 

[daviator]

I assume if I rent points that I do not have the booking preference of the original points?

Do people rent points reservations to others, rather than the points themesleves?

Yes, sometimes. There is a little more risk with this, as the owner who makes the reservation could be held responsible for the actions (damage, etc.) of their guests. There are also tax implications of renting reservations in some places, like Hawaii.

I’ve done both; renting points is a lot less work and hassle and is essentially risk free. You can probably make more money renting the right reservations but I’m not sure it’s worth the extra effort.

Also, at least in my experience, sometimes reservations can be tough to rent, but points can always find a taker so long as the price is competitive.

 

[heathpack]

Yes, sometimes. There is a little more risk with this, as the owner who makes the reservation could be held responsible for the actions (damage, etc.) of their guests. There are also tax implications of renting reservations in some places, like Hawaii.

I’ve done both; renting points is a lot less work and hassle and is essentially risk free. You can probably make more money renting the right reservations but I’m not sure it’s worth the extra effort.

If you transfer points to me, the points now have my booking advantage not yours, correct?

 

[daviator]

If you transfer points to me, the points now have my booking advantage not yours, correct?

Yes. But they retain the use year that they had prior to transfer.

 

[dioxide45]

If you transfer points to me, the points now have my booking advantage not yours, correct?

Correct. Your booking preference is based on your Owner Benefit Level. Not that of who you received the points from.

 

[heathpack]

Yes. But they retain the use year that they had prior to transfer.

It’s interesting. In DVC the normal thing to do is to rent reservations when one rents (transferring is impractical due to onerous restrictions on transfers) and I don’t think twice about it.

 

[heathpack]

Correct. Your booking preference is based on your Owner Benefit Level. Not that of who you received the points from.

Also different from DVC. If you were able to convince someone to transfer points to you, they’d retain their booking preference.

 

[dioxide45]

It’s interesting. In DVC the normal thing to do is to rent reservations when one rents (transferring is impractical due to onerous restrictions on transfers) and I don’t think twice about it.

I've "rented" Abound point reservations and in that case you can take advantage of the owners Owner Benefit Level. They can book earlier or get the applicable 60 or 30 day discounts. Also when you show up they will look at you as if you have that owner's Owner Benefit Level.

 

[dioxide45]

Also different from DVC. If you were able to convince someone to transfer points to you, they’d retain their booking preference.

The difference with DVC is that they have a home resort booking window that is retained on transferred points. With Abound, there is no home resort.

 

[heathpack]

From the point renter’s perspective, this is a problem with renting points. I might not be able to obtain a reservation I want, due to my booking disadvantage. Then I’ve wasted my $.

 

[heathpack]

The difference with DVC is that they have a home resort booking window that is retained on transferred points. With Abound, there is no home resort.

Yes but the point is, if you want to go to the Beach Club Villas in March and I rent you my BCV points, with a little coaching from me you can very likely get what you want.

OTOH, if I want to go to NYC in May and I rent Abound points from you, I may not be able to obtain my desired reservation.

Regardless of the difference in why there’s a booking advantage, the effect is the same- you probably would not waste your $ renting BCV points from me but I very well could waste my $ renting Abound points from you.

Right?

 

[Hindsite]

Regardless of the difference in why there’s a booking advantage,

What "Booking advantage" do you think you don't have when using Abound? Everyone sees the same inventory irrespective of owner level. There are constraints on how many nights you can book and how many points it would cost you at lower levels for reservations at 13 months, but those fall away at 10 months ahead and inventory changes all the time so wait-listing is useful for getting what you want, as is booking a small number of days and then adding more as inventory drops in.

 

[heathpack]

What "Booking advantage" do you think you don't have when using Abound? Everyone sees the same inventory irrespective of owner level. There are constraints on how many nights you can book and how many points it would cost you at lower levels for reservations at 13 months, but those fall away at 10 months ahead and inventory changes all the time so wait-listing is useful for getting what you want, as is booking a small number of days and then adding more as inventory drops in.

The booking disadvantage is that I am OWNER level and others can book stays <7 days before I can, right? If the inventory is gone before I can book, then I am out of luck.

Admittedly I am not experienced using points (because I bought Mountainside to use, and mostly did until recently). Do I have an incorrect understanding of how it works? My understanding was that many people have a lot of points, and they can book a 5 day reservation such as I might want at DC at 13 months but I cannot book that for another 4 months, at which time many/most/all of the consecutive 5 day blocks of time might be gone.

If you don’t have the points, you can’t noodle around looking at inventory on the MVCI website, so I can’t explore and educate myself as to what inventory looks like. But that has been my impression when I have explored around previously.

 

[Hindsite]

People overstate the 'advantage' plenty of people do very well without it. Point election by weeks owners as well as cancellations and changes put inventory in and out all the time. Don't buy points based on FOMO.

You should be able to search inventory to get the hang of things without a points balance, you just can't get all the way through

 

[Dean]

We own an enrolled EOY Mountainside gold week that we originally bought to use. But now that we moved to Alabama, I’d like to regularly trade it.

I understand my most cost effective use is locking off and trading in II, although at times I have a flexible work schedule and can maybe use points cost effectively by booking stays Sun-Thurs. It’s just two of us, so studios work, although we prefer larger units.

I’m curious as to whether there’s a list of the resorts with the most number of units available as weeks inventory and the resorts with the best points inventory. If not, comments about inventory type by resort in this thread are welcome.

In this case locking off and exchanging is by far the best option. You'll only get 2475 points I believe. I'd pick a good week, lock off and deposit with II. Then place the requests you want as early as possible. Be willing to pay the unit upgrade fee where applicable. Realize you don't have to use the entire week, you'll still come out ahead over using points. You can always rent points or rent a reservation to fill in the gaps.