Point Transfer Receiving Limit - Capped at 20,000 Points Annually [MERGED]

[DanCali]

Looking at vacationpointexchange, there are a couple of conspicuous listings that look like "professional renters" (those looking to rent an unspecified number of points). I've also had a couple of people approach me for my point listings and they did not seem like "occasional" renters.

Yes, in particular these two listings strike me as "pro renters" (i.e., they rent points from others and them probably do bookings to rent out at higher $/point) although it's just my opinion:

Funny how he changed his post to "up to 5000 points" after my comments from yesterday. I guess talking about half a million points and willing to rent an unspecified number of points was a dead giveaway - at least he has time to read TUG

It's clever because he can list he wants 5000, and still rent 20,000.

(click link for revised listing)

VERIFIED SELLER – Looking to Rent YOUR 2023 Usage Year Club Points

I have rented or transferred over 450,000 Marriott Vacation Club Points to other Club members, but now, I am looking to rent your unrestricted (must not have been banked, borrowed or previou...

vacationpointexchange.com

 

[dioxide45]

Funny how he changed his post to "up to 5000 points" after my comments from yesterday. I guess talking about half a million points and willing to rent an unspecified number of points was a dead giveaway - at least he has time to read TUG

It's clever because he can list he wants 5000, and still rent 20,000.

(click link for revised listing)

VERIFIED SELLER – Looking to Rent YOUR 2023 Usage Year Club Points

I have rented or transferred over 450,000 Marriott Vacation Club Points to other Club members, but now, I am looking to rent your unrestricted (must not have been banked, borrowed or previou...

vacationpointexchange.com

Perhaps they just got the email too and decided to adjust?

 

[DanCali]

Perhaps they just got the email too and decided to adjust?

I guess that's also possible

 

[timsi]

Let us know how it works out for you.

I understand your eagerness, but their tactic is to launch Abound only after all its potential challengers have died of old age.

 

[Dean]

I understand your eagerness, but their tactic is to launch Abound only after all its potential challengers have died of old age.

Sarcasm asside, it'll be active soon though may be another month or 2, I'm pretty certain I'll still be here then. I still fail to see why you'd waste your time and money on something that you feel so negative about and seems to be consuming your life. I can assure you that if I felt the way you present you do, I would be looking to exit. Maybe the negativism is your hobby. I feel that you have limited reasonable choices. They are to accept where this is going and make the most of it, ignore it and stay in the shallow end of the pool, proceed along a legal route or exit. I guess you could just continue to complain but what's the use in that as it's petty and senseless.

 

[timsi]

Sarcasm asside, it'll be active soon though may be another month or 2, I'm pretty certain I'll still be here then. I still fail to see why you'd waste your time and money on something that you feel so negative about and seems to be consuming your life. I can assure you that if I felt the way you present you do, I would be looking to exit. Maybe the negativism is your hobby. I feel that you have limited reasonable choices. They are to accept where this is going and make the most of it, ignore it and stay in the shallow end of the pool, proceed along a legal route or exit. I guess you could just continue to complain but what's the use in that as it's petty and senseless.

I think you suggested an exit 3 or 4 times already, please have that in mind in the future when you want to mention it a 5th time. Wouldn't be great for the developers if all the "negative" people left the boat?

 

[Dean]

I think you suggested an exit 3 or 4 times already, please have that in mind in the future when you want to mention it a 5th time. Wouldn't be great for the developers if all the "negative" people left the boat?

If you'll reread all of those suggestions, you'll see they were ALL qualified. Basically if, then. In this case "if I felt the way you present you do, I would be looking to exit" plus listed as one of 4 reasonable choices going forward. Life's too short to be as unhappy with something as you seem to be here but I suppose it's your choice to continue to beat your head against the wall and mine to acknowledge that you are.

 

[timsi]

If you'll reread all of those suggestions, you'll see they were ALL qualified. Basically if, then. In this case "if I felt the way you present you do, I would be looking to exit" plus listed as one of 4 reasonable choices going forward. Life's too short to be as unhappy with something as you seem to be here but I suppose it's your choice to continue to beat your head against the wall and mine to acknowledge that you are.

For now, you seem to be the one who continues to beat your head against the wall. Be patient, don't grow negative thoughts against others just because you have been waiting for Abound since August 1st at least, as you predicted in July. I understand your frustration.

Edited to add: I am going to block you. When I need life advise from you, I will do the reverse.

 

[Dean]

For now, you seem to be the one who continues to beat your head against the wall. Be patient, don't grow negative thoughts against others just because you have been waiting for Abound since August 1st at least, as you predicted in July. I understand your frustration.

Edited to add: I am going to block you. When I need life advise from you, I will do the reverse.

I'm not frustrated, more amused with your continued hounding on this issue as Vistana adds nothing for me and Westin only limited additional volume. Personally I'd probably have been better off had they spun them off or simply ran them separately. It's probably best for both of us if you block me. Merry Xmas.

 

[SueDonJ]

Ohferdogsakes. How is it we've ended up with yet another thread on the Marriott forum being bombarded with the topic of Lagunamar's apparently super-duper unique and powerful rules that will take down Marriott's entire business because Marriott owners are too stupid to recognize that Marriott is cheating them at every turn?!?! I am so over this as both a Marriott forum participant and as this forum's moderator. We have been through this already: if you want to talk about Lagunamar and its brilliant owners knowing far more than anyone who's ever owned a Marriott, do it here: How strong is the exclusive right of the Lagunamar owners to compete for the entire inventory during the Home Resort Reservation Period? And don't complain if/when posts that contain the word Lagunamar disappear from here.

Other than that, if one insists on challenging the Marriott forum participants as to their knowledge, it's probably a good idea to stop alluding to Abound not yet being "launched." For all intents and purposes of the Marriott owners, Abound was launched on 6/20/10 when it was introduced as the Destination Club. The notice on our owners account homepage literally reads: "Introducing a new name for the Marriott Vacation Club Destinations Exchange Program: Abound by Marriott Vacations™." Sure, it's true that when the Vistana resorts are finally integrated into the Abound Exchange Company we'll have a few more usage options, but we've already been through a few different integrations of new resorts and the world as we know it didn't change.

 

[timsi]

Other than that, if one insists on challenging the Marriott forum participants as to their knowledge, it's probably a good idea to stop alluding to Abound not yet being "launched." For all intents and purposes of the Marriott owners, Abound was launched on 6/20/10 when it was introduced as the Destination Club. The notice on our owners account homepage literally reads: "Introducing a new name for the Marriott Vacation Club Destinations Exchange Program: Abound by Marriott Vacations™." Sure, it's true that when the Vistana resorts are finally integrated into the Abound Exchange Company we'll have a few more usage options, but we've already been through a few different integrations of new resorts and the world as we know it didn't change.

Sory to burst the bubble:

"Introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations™
A Vacation Ownership Program Designed to Make Vacationing Even Better

ORLANDO, Fla., June 16, 2022 – Marriott Vacations Worldwide (NYSE: VAC), a leader in leisure travel with a portfolio of trusted, globally-recognized travel brands and vacation clubs, is introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations™ (“Abound”), a new Owner benefit and exchange program set to debut this summer.

With spend on leisure travel projected to reach $1.7 trillion by 2027*, the new program is launching at the ideal time. It is designed to offer more destinations, more brands, and more choices that make vacationing even better for all travelers, particularly Millennials who see travel as a key aspiration** and who represent nearly a quarter of the company’s first-time vacation ownership buyers.

Abound by Marriott Vacations™ provides access to over 90 vacation club resorts across Marriott Vacation Club®, Sheraton® Vacation Club and Westin® Vacation Club, as well as access to more than 8,000 Marriott Bonvoy hotels, 2,000 vacation homes, and 2,000 unique experiences like cruises, guided and culinary tours, premiere events, outdoor adventures and more with a continued ability to exchange through Interval International, a premier exchange partner.

“We are incredibly excited to debut Abound by Marriott Vacations, which is our gateway for enrolled vacation Owners to embark on exceptional travel adventures around the globe, helping them make a lifetime of meaningful vacation moments with those they care about most,” said President of Marriott Vacations Worldwide, John E. Geller, Jr.

With the start of summer just around the corner, and leading up to the official launch of Abound, the company is previewing a video to help create the sense of excitement that comes when planning an incredible vacation experience.

While each resort and city property available within the Abound resort portfolio offers its own distinctive brand and sense of place, together they give travelers an abundance of experiences and access, which people value as part of their life experience.

At launch, travelers interested in learning more will be able to visit a new website featuring an overview of available experiences, information on the benefits of vacation ownership, features of each resort, and an inspirational blog with travel tips and ideas. For those interested in immersing themselves in the endless vacation possibilities with these brands now, follow Marriott Vacation Club®, Sheraton® Vacation Club and Westin® Vacation Club on social media."

Introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations® - Marriott Vacations Worldwide

A Vacation Ownership Program Designed to Make Vacationing Even Better

www.marriottvacationsworldwide.com

 

[DRH90277]

Sory to burst the bubble:

"Introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations™
A Vacation Ownership Program Designed to Make Vacationing Even Better

ORLANDO, Fla., June 16, 2022 – Marriott Vacations Worldwide (NYSE: VAC), a leader in leisure travel with a portfolio of trusted, globally-recognized travel brands and vacation clubs, is introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations™ (“Abound”), a new Owner benefit and exchange program set to debut this summer.

With spend on leisure travel projected to reach $1.7 trillion by 2027*, the new program is launching at the ideal time. It is designed to offer more destinations, more brands, and more choices that make vacationing even better for all travelers, particularly Millennials who see travel as a key aspiration** and who represent nearly a quarter of the company’s first-time vacation ownership buyers.

Abound by Marriott Vacations™ provides access to over 90 vacation club resorts across Marriott Vacation Club®, Sheraton® Vacation Club and Westin® Vacation Club, as well as access to more than 8,000 Marriott Bonvoy hotels, 2,000 vacation homes, and 2,000 unique experiences like cruises, guided and culinary tours, premiere events, outdoor adventures and more with a continued ability to exchange through Interval International, a premier exchange partner.

“We are incredibly excited to debut Abound by Marriott Vacations, which is our gateway for enrolled vacation Owners to embark on exceptional travel adventures around the globe, helping them make a lifetime of meaningful vacation moments with those they care about most,” said President of Marriott Vacations Worldwide, John E. Geller, Jr.

With the start of summer just around the corner, and leading up to the official launch of Abound, the company is previewing a video to help create the sense of excitement that comes when planning an incredible vacation experience.

While each resort and city property available within the Abound resort portfolio offers its own distinctive brand and sense of place, together they give travelers an abundance of experiences and access, which people value as part of their life experience.

At launch, travelers interested in learning more will be able to visit a new website featuring an overview of available experiences, information on the benefits of vacation ownership, features of each resort, and an inspirational blog with travel tips and ideas. For those interested in immersing themselves in the endless vacation possibilities with these brands now, follow Marriott Vacation Club®, Sheraton® Vacation Club and Westin® Vacation Club on social media."

Introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations® - Marriott Vacations Worldwide

A Vacation Ownership Program Designed to Make Vacationing Even Better

www.marriottvacationsworldwide.com

With respect, we must all acknowledge that Abound, while announced on June 16th, is not fully operational. The announcement seems way ahead of the availability or use of the promised changes including access to the 90 resorts, etc. You seem to have greater access to information than most of us. Could you please outline your best view of when the various aspects of Abound will be available for use?

 

[rthib]

@SueDonJ This seems like two threads. Once about the title and one about other rants. Any way you could clean this up or just using this as a dumping ground for inane rants.

 

[SueDonJ]

Sory to burst the bubble:

"Introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations™
A Vacation Ownership Program Designed to Make Vacationing Even Better

ORLANDO, Fla., June 16, 2022 – Marriott Vacations Worldwide (NYSE: VAC), a leader in leisure travel with a portfolio of trusted, globally-recognized travel brands and vacation clubs, is introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations™ (“Abound”), a new Owner benefit and exchange program set to debut this summer.

With spend on leisure travel projected to reach $1.7 trillion by 2027*, the new program is launching at the ideal time. It is designed to offer more destinations, more brands, and more choices that make vacationing even better for all travelers, particularly Millennials who see travel as a key aspiration** and who represent nearly a quarter of the company’s first-time vacation ownership buyers.

Abound by Marriott Vacations™ provides access to over 90 vacation club resorts across Marriott Vacation Club®, Sheraton® Vacation Club and Westin® Vacation Club, as well as access to more than 8,000 Marriott Bonvoy hotels, 2,000 vacation homes, and 2,000 unique experiences like cruises, guided and culinary tours, premiere events, outdoor adventures and more with a continued ability to exchange through Interval International, a premier exchange partner.

“We are incredibly excited to debut Abound by Marriott Vacations, which is our gateway for enrolled vacation Owners to embark on exceptional travel adventures around the globe, helping them make a lifetime of meaningful vacation moments with those they care about most,” said President of Marriott Vacations Worldwide, John E. Geller, Jr.

With the start of summer just around the corner, and leading up to the official launch of Abound, the company is previewing a video to help create the sense of excitement that comes when planning an incredible vacation experience.

While each resort and city property available within the Abound resort portfolio offers its own distinctive brand and sense of place, together they give travelers an abundance of experiences and access, which people value as part of their life experience.

At launch, travelers interested in learning more will be able to visit a new website featuring an overview of available experiences, information on the benefits of vacation ownership, features of each resort, and an inspirational blog with travel tips and ideas. For those interested in immersing themselves in the endless vacation possibilities with these brands now, follow Marriott Vacation Club®, Sheraton® Vacation Club and Westin® Vacation Club on social media."

Introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations® - Marriott Vacations Worldwide

A Vacation Ownership Program Designed to Make Vacationing Even Better

www.marriottvacationsworldwide.com

Thanks for the copy/paste of a press release. Reading through the Investor Call transcripts over the last year, year-and-a-half gives a better picture IMO. As I see it, the "launch" that will impact owners much more than the Destination-Club-to-Abound name change will be the eventual culmination of MVW's "Vacation Next" program/plans, most significantly the implementation of a single online platform that's expected to integrate all of the (nine, I think?) separate platforms currently being utilized by MVW for Abound some of which require owners to call in for access.

As I said, "for all intents and purposes of the Marriott owners" the Abound name change (as it's referred to by Marriott on the owners website) is fairly insignificant. We've had access using Points to all the options listed in the third paragraph of the press release, except the Sheraton- and Westin-branded resorts, since the 6/20/10 Destination Club implementation with various resorts/options being added and subtracted along the way. We've had a couple re-designs of our owner website, too, with forward and back-end changes, none of which substantially changed the Destination Club. If/when MVW starts talking about Abound specifically meaning the Vacation Next online single platform that's expected to give owners online access to the overwhelming majority of Abound transactions, THAT might be a game-changer. For Marriott owners Abound is functioning here and now; the expected VN online platform is an unknown.

 

[SueDonJ]

@SueDonJ This seems like two threads. Once about the title and one about other rants. Any way you could clean this up or just using this as a dumping ground for inane rants.

Unless Marriott says anything more about this 20,000 cap on points transfers in to owners' accounts, or something else that might conceivably impact owner rentals, eventually it'll die a natural death.

 

[SueDonJ]

With respect, we must all acknowledge that Abound, while announced on June 16th, is not fully operational. The announcement seems way ahead of the availability or use of the promised changes including access to the 90 resorts, etc. You seem to have greater access to information than most of us. Could you please outline your best view of when the various aspects of Abound will be available for use?

Haven't you been listening?! It will NEVER happen because the super-duper special unique rules of The Resort Which Cannot Be Named Here will cause Marriott's entire shady business to fail if they even TRY to pull that wool over his eyes!

(I'm sorry. I slept poorly and am silly. Let me finish this second cup of tea and I'll be better.)

 

[sponger76]

(I'm sorry. I slept poorly and am silly. Let me finish this second cup of tea and I'll be better.)

Reminds me of

 

[Huskerpaul]

I'm not frustrated, more amused with your continued hounding on this issue as Vistana adds nothing for me and Westin only limited additional volume. Personally I'd probably have been better off had they spun them off or simply ran them separately. It's probably best for both of us if you block me. Merry Xmas.

I blocked @timsi weeks ago. So funny to read just one side.

 

[timsi]

With respect, we must all acknowledge that Abound, while announced on June 16th, is not fully operational. The announcement seems way ahead of the availability or use of the promised changes including access to the 90 resorts, etc. You seem to have greater access to information than most of us. Could you please outline your best view of when the various aspects of Abound will be available for use?

There are insiders and those with close ties with insiders that can give you better estimates than me. My best guess is they will start January 1st as it would make more sense than late 2022 for inventory management. Something went terribly wrong with this launch though and I suspect IT was only part of the problem. If it was just IT, for the sake of the goodwill they have with the owners, they would have made an effort and launched already.

 

[SueDonJ]

There are insiders and those with close ties with insiders that can give you better estimates than me. My best guess is they will start January 1st as it would make more sense than late 2022 for inventory management. Something went terribly wrong with this launch though and I suspect IT was only part of the problem. If it was just IT, for the sake of the goodwill they have with the owners, they would have made an effort and launched already.

Who are these insiders you're talking about?

 

[timsi]

Who are these insiders you're talking about?

I did not refer to specific persons. On the other hand, I would give a minimal chance to have none around. Don’t you agree?

 

[SueDonJ]

I did not refer to specific persons. On the other hand, I would give a minimal chance to have none around. Don’t you agree?

You said "there are insiders and those with close ties with insiders that can give you better estimates than me" in response to a question asking for your take on when Abound will be available. Silly me, I'm assuming that with the question being asked in this forum you are alluding to insiders here. So, name those TUGgers whom you're alleging are "insiders."

As for whether insiders might be here or if I would want insiders to be here, why wouldn't I? If legitimate information can be gleaned from trustworthy contacts, how would that not be a good thing?! That said, I don't know of any TUGgers who have confidential contacts at the upper levels of corporate MVW, where presumably we'd find the only Marriott people in a position to know what the delay is for Westin/Sheraton integration and how/when it will be resolved as well as in a position to give permission for that information to be publicly shared.

 

[sponger76]

Sory to burst the bubble:

"Introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations™
A Vacation Ownership Program Designed to Make Vacationing Even Better

ORLANDO, Fla., June 16, 2022 – Marriott Vacations Worldwide (NYSE: VAC), a leader in leisure travel with a portfolio of trusted, globally-recognized travel brands and vacation clubs, is introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations™ (“Abound”), a new Owner benefit and exchange program set to debut this summer.

With spend on leisure travel projected to reach $1.7 trillion by 2027*, the new program is launching at the ideal time. It is designed to offer more destinations, more brands, and more choices that make vacationing even better for all travelers, particularly Millennials who see travel as a key aspiration** and who represent nearly a quarter of the company’s first-time vacation ownership buyers.

Abound by Marriott Vacations™ provides access to over 90 vacation club resorts across Marriott Vacation Club®, Sheraton® Vacation Club and Westin® Vacation Club, as well as access to more than 8,000 Marriott Bonvoy hotels, 2,000 vacation homes, and 2,000 unique experiences like cruises, guided and culinary tours, premiere events, outdoor adventures and more with a continued ability to exchange through Interval International, a premier exchange partner.

“We are incredibly excited to debut Abound by Marriott Vacations, which is our gateway for enrolled vacation Owners to embark on exceptional travel adventures around the globe, helping them make a lifetime of meaningful vacation moments with those they care about most,” said President of Marriott Vacations Worldwide, John E. Geller, Jr.

With the start of summer just around the corner, and leading up to the official launch of Abound, the company is previewing a video to help create the sense of excitement that comes when planning an incredible vacation experience.

While each resort and city property available within the Abound resort portfolio offers its own distinctive brand and sense of place, together they give travelers an abundance of experiences and access, which people value as part of their life experience.

At launch, travelers interested in learning more will be able to visit a new website featuring an overview of available experiences, information on the benefits of vacation ownership, features of each resort, and an inspirational blog with travel tips and ideas. For those interested in immersing themselves in the endless vacation possibilities with these brands now, follow Marriott Vacation Club®, Sheraton® Vacation Club and Westin® Vacation Club on social media."

Introducing Abound by Marriott Vacations® - Marriott Vacations Worldwide

A Vacation Ownership Program Designed to Make Vacationing Even Better

www.marriottvacationsworldwide.com

To be fair, the Abound FAQs on the Vistana site directly contradict the release saying it's a completely new program that hasn't launched:

 

[timsi]

You said "there are insiders and those with close ties with insiders that can give you better estimates than me" in response to a question asking for your take on when Abound will be available. Silly me, I'm assuming that with the question being asked in this forum you are alluding to insiders here. So, name those TUGgers whom you're alleging are "insiders."

As for whether insiders might be here or if I would want insiders to be here, why wouldn't I? If legitimate information can be gleaned from trustworthy contacts, how would that not be a good thing?! That said, I don't know of any TUGgers who have confidential contacts at the upper levels of corporate MVW, where presumably we'd find the only Marriott people in a position to know what the delay is for Westin/Sheraton integration and how/when it will be resolved as well as in a position to give permission for that information to be publicly shared.

I am still waiting for them to step forward, but you may have ruined the odds, they are all in hiding now despite my open invitation .

Seriously now though, I have seen posts in the past from more than one person that claimed to have solid sources from Marriott. Maybe you have seen them too. The information provided by insiders is useful to the extend where others can evaluate the ties to the company and determine what is fact and what is wishful thinking or propaganda. I do not think that any executive would be silly to comment here, but lower ranking people may be tempted.

 

[Dean]

I did not refer to specific persons. On the other hand, I would give a minimal chance to have none around. Don’t you agree?

Those who actually know anything official not only won't be talking, but they likely can't. To a degree Covid and it's effects are still likely in play here due to staffing shortages among other variables. We're all dealing with it on a daily basis so it makes sense that MVC is as well.