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Sunset Harbor to vote on terminating Hyatt management contract

Marlyn Gordon
Marilyn's character and conduct are superior. She emails only those who personally have asked her to. We will know the tally tomorrow, and hope for the best.
 
Marilyn's character and conduct are superior. She emails only those who personally have asked her to. We will know the tally tomorrow, and hope for the best.
I did not ask her to provide me a list of 2000 HSH owners private information.
 
I did not ask her to provide me a list of 2000 HSH owners private information.
Her emails to don’t include private information — just a listing of rentals and sales available with no names. Even if you hit reply all you don’t get anyone’s email or other info.Lots more in life to be worried about than a kind and caring person. If the vote doesn’t go your way you are free to sell and find another place in paradise.
 
Her emails to don’t include private information — just a listing of rentals and sales available with no names. Even if you hit reply all you don’t get anyone’s email or other info.Lots more in life to be worried about than a kind and caring person. If the vote doesn’t go your way you are free to sell and find another place in paradise.
And you are also free to UNSUBSCRIBE to her emails which you clearly asked to receive — geez.
 
Her emails to don’t include private information — just a listing of rentals and sales available with no names. ..
She provided detailed private information on a list of 2000 Sunset Harbor owners. From that list I see [deleted] has some meaning.
 
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She provided detailed private information on a list of 2000 Sunset Harbor owners. From that list I see 102nd Street has some meaning.
I didn’t receive that communication— she’s a sweet well-intentioned person . Maybe it was by mistake. Results forthcoming!
 
I didn’t receive that communication— she’s a sweet well-intentioned person . Maybe it was by mistake. Results forthcoming!
She may be sweet, but when a person is on the BOD, there is no room for bone headedness when she's representing the needs of 2000 owners. When dealing the MVC, they don't provide "sweet innocent" representatives when they are dealing with resort BODs. We need tough minded people to counter their financial demands on the owners. For them, it's all about MONEY. If I were purchasing clothing, I would not want to deal with a tough minded sales person, but rather a "sweet well-intentioned" person.
 
She may be sweet, but when a person is on the BOD, there is no room for bone headedness when she's representing the needs of 2000 owners. When dealing the MVC, they don't provide "sweet innocent" representatives when they are dealing with resort BODs. We need tough minded people to counter their financial demands on the owners. For them, it's all about MONEY. If I were purchasing clothing, I would not want to deal with a tough minded sales person, but rather a "sweet well-intentioned" person.
She’s tough too. I’m sorry you are so upset about this I hope things get better for you. Kind regards .. Chris
 
She’s tough too. I’m sorry you are so upset about this I hope things get better for you. Kind regards .. Chris
Sweet, Tough, who gives a damn! She tried to play both sides of this whole issue and got caught. There must be a place for her in DC.
 
Sweet, Tough, who gives a damn! She tried to play both sides of this whole issue and got caught. There must be a place for her in DC.
Marriott is going to turn us upside down and shake every dollar out of our pockets. Right now we have at least 3 very hard nose BOD members who will put up a good fight. That should be enough to do the best. We can deal with a marginal member who "plays both sides", as long as she is not disruptive in moving forward. That's the problem. Most owners pay little if any attention to the big picture. When there is a voice which muddies the water, the fail safe position is vote NO.

It's bad enough that the roll-out could have been much better, but Marriott will be singing a happy tune, all the way to the bank.
 
And both issues failed. Total of 829 owners voted - 52.8%

The vote to terminate the management contract failed as it did not meet the vote threshold.

The vote to terminate club membership failed as it did not meet the vote threshold.

It was stated that the BOD had reached out to MWC in the past few weeks and they have been working together over the past few weeks to address some issues that have been festering for years. They said they are making good progress on making some changes to governance documents and other changes to 7 salient areas of concern. They wrapped it up by thanking SH members for continuing to trust Hyatt/MWC with SH.

Well, yeah, not sure that's really the case but we left it in their hands for now. Doesn't mean there won't be a more informed push to get rid of them if they don't step up the damned game and take care of these issues.
 
I listen in on the meeting. I had mixed feelings. I received the first email and voted. I might have voted differently if there had been more discussion on the pros and cons. I felt this was a vote that was jammed through too quickly.
 
Did they even share the split of Yes/No on the votes cast? Or perhaps that wasn't shared because the quorum wasn't met?
 
And both issues failed. Total of 829 owners voted - 52.8%

The vote to terminate the management contract failed as it did not meet the vote threshold.

The vote to terminate club membership failed as it did not meet the vote threshold.
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Hi Jan

Hope all is well with you and thanks for the info.

Did they say 829 votes or 829 owners? Curious because 1 owner may have multiple weeks and EOY owners only get 50% voting power compared to EY owners.

Also did they say what the threshold requirement was? Curious how close it got - I wonder if Hyatt voted any of their ownership or chose to sit out hoping not to reach the threshold.

Hope to see you in Hawaii again some time.

Ryan

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Hi Jan

Hope all is well with you and thanks for the info.

Did they say 829 votes or 829 owners? Curious because 1 owner may have multiple weeks and EOY owners only get 50% voting power compared to EY owners.

Also did they say what the threshold requirement was? Curious how close it got - I wonder if Hyatt voted any of their ownership or chose to sit out hoping not to reach the threshold.

Hope to see you in Hawaii again some time.

Ryan

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829 owners and more votes because some owners had more than one unit. The threshold was 2/3 of those voting. If Marriott voted all of their units it would have made it nearly impossible to obtain the needed votes unless more owners voted.
 
For those of you who wanted the votes to pass, I'm sorry it didn't happen for you and I hope you can continue to love and use your ownerships in a way that makes you happy.

For those of you who wanted the votes to fail, I hope you all also continue to love and use your ownerships but don't feel too comfortable yet.

For all of you, it sounds as though it's time to ask some hard and specific questions of your BOD so that next time, if there is a next time, as many owners as possible are involved in the process. It doesn't sound like that happened this time around and a couple things stand out as questionable (at best):

- Any ownership votes, whether they're the usual Annual Meeting votes or votes related to Special Meetings such as this one, require a quorum and every individual ownership is entitled to a ballot. Usually the responsibility for making sure that ballots are issued for every ownership falls on the Management Company, regardless of whether it's an issue brought forth by them or an issue against them that's brought by the BOD or an owner. There are hoops to jump through and costs involved with mailings but you are all better served if you scour the governing docs and learn what you need to know about quorums and voting majorities, etc and how to get ballots/info in the hands of as many owners as possible.

- Ownership contact information may be protected by both state and federal laws, as well as any stipulations in the governing docs. Having watched a similar BOD member-led revolt at a Marriott resort in which a BOD member misused the ownership contact info he'd collected over his time served, which resulted in every Marriott resort's Annual Meeting the next year requiring a vote as to whether owners individually wanted their contact information to remain protected by Marriott (which carried a resounding "yes" vote across all resorts,) I think it's fair to say that you don't want your BOD members to be misusing and abusing any information to which their position gives them access - not if it can be used to help you and definitely not if it can be used to hurt you. Again, scour the docs to learn what's necessary to force the Management Company to compile and send out to every owner whatever vote/informational packets you want sent out, and hold them to their requirements. IMO, giving this power to the BOD members is letting the Management Company off the hook (and, IMO, is too risky when you consider that in the hands of a disgruntled BOD member, an ownership contact information list is a pretty valuable commodity.)

Lastly, welcome to all the Sunset Harbor owners who were led to this thread and TUG through circumstance. I hope you'll stick around and continue contributing - if all you've seen is this thread, you might think about starting with this "About TUG" page. :)
 
As a potential buyer of a. Week at Sunset Harbor I would like to know how much this effort cost the current ownership. I am sure that the current owners would also like to know. Just the legal fees alone I am sure are substantial.
Also, now this heavily damaged BOD will have to start the 2023 budget process as it is my understanding that a budget meeting is scheduled in just about a month. Something tells me that the timing of this exit vote was the start of a very big surprise for the owners!
 
So now the question is - based on this current failure to launch, how long will SH remain contractually tied to MVW? This indirectly affects other HRC (and even HPP) owners and will tell us how long before this vote could come up again.

I also may have missed something, but it sounds like the failed vote threshold was disclosed - but not the voting percentages?
 
Sweet, Tough, who gives a damn! She tried to play both sides of this whole issue and got caught. There must be a place for her in DC.
As a potential buyer of a. Week at Sunset Harbor I would like to know how much this effort cost the current ownership. I am sure that the current owners would also like to know. Just the legal fees alone I am sure are substantial.
Also, now this heavily damaged BOD will have to start the 2023 budget process as it is my understanding that a budget meeting is scheduled in just about a month. Something tells me that the timing of this exit vote was the start of a very big surprise for the owners!
If you want to buy Don Heisler on the SH BOD is the guy to contact ..... he's great to work with and with the market crashing you might find some good deals (you can find his info on the web). I see you own at Windward Pointe, I love that resort as well.
 
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